Russia out of Rio?
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I will never understand that line of thinking. If the Russians are cheating, isn't that an asterisk event as well? It is not good for wrestling that a bunch of cheaters are allowed to participate and take medals away from non cheaters. An analogy would be if PSU wrestles Iowa and our guys lotion up a little to make your grasps more difficult? You'd still rather face our cheaters and win rather than have them forfeit the match? I bet not.
None of the Russia freestylers going to Rio have tested positive. Several others have - 2014 world championship silver medalist Evgeny Saleev and 2015 World Cup silver medalist Sergei Semenov, had been caught using meldonium.
US athletes cheat too. We're just not as brazen.
How does anyone know who has tested positive? The corroborated findings show the Russian gov't lied about results, swapped results, and pressured others to do the same. To hold only those athletes accountable who have tested positive is a travesty to everything the Olympics supposedly stands for.
Not surprising, but definitely disappointing. At least we have golf, tennis, and basketball...
Not surprising, but definitely disappointing. At least we have golf, tennis, and basketball...
Honestly, some countries are definitely worse than others (Russia and East Germany come to mind), but in reality every corner of the planet does it to some extent (individual athletes).
Trying to stay one step ahead of the Mad Scientist with the urine/blood vial is always a work in progress, and sadly that Genie isn't going back in the bottle. Follow the Money. ALWAYS Follow the Money.
I think any athlete that tests positive for peds in Rio, should be thrown into the toxic waters around Rio as punishment........
After reading the USA Today article(s), it still appears to me like its up in the air.
At a time when the Olympic movement needed strong, decisive leadership, the IOC waffled, asking the individual sports federations to make the tough calls on who competes and who doesn’t.
“Bottled it — IOC passing the buck to individual federations (sports) on whether to allow Russian athletes to compete in Rio 2016. Bad day,” James Cracknell, a two-time Olympic champion rower, said on Twitter.
At a time when the Olympic movement needed strong, decisive leadership, the IOC waffled, asking the individual sports federations to make the tough calls on who competes and who doesn’t.
“Bottled it — IOC passing the buck to individual federations (sports) on whether to allow Russian athletes to compete in Rio 2016. Bad day,” James Cracknell, a two-time Olympic champion rower, said on Twitter.
I'm pretty cynical about this too. I always find my self thinking if the whole world is doping how are our athletes doing so well? Then I just quit thinking about it.
How about we take away their rubbers too?
So if a Russian has tested positive in the past, he/she is out. Good thing for them they don't publicly test (and publish results) with the frequency countries like the U. S.
45 more Olympians tested positive last week, although names have not been announced.
45 more Olympians tested positive last week, although names have not been announced.
I appreciate that wrestling has been "saved." But the fact that we lost weight classes and the tournaments are single elimination, all to minimize the duration of competitions, doesn't give me any confidence in wrestling's governing body to make the tough decision in circumstances like this. And I disagree with the * argument. If you're cheating then you're not the best!
Unfortunately no one knows who's cheated because the Russian government used their own labs and rubber stamped results. They also swapped samples. This was a systematic process across Russian Olympic sports.
Agreed, and I am in favor of a ban on the team for 2016 and 2018. I'm also in favor of all 2014 Russian results being invalidated with the known sample swapping.
The everybody does it argument gets old in society. While there are individuals that have been caught cheating, it has always been a systemic thing in Russia (and the old Soviet bloc) and the IOC has forever turned a blind eye. Seems like they haven't changed much.
Then again it might make them stronger. That's how they made Godzilla, right?
I just did a little research. Since 1968 the United States has been stripped of more olympic medals than the Russias (mostly thanks to Marion Jones). 11-9 is the score. Only three olympic wrestling medals were involved (very clean sport). The sport most subject to cheating is weightlifting.
Soviet block countries have been stripped of 32 medals; western block -26
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_stripped_Olympic_medals
Soviet block countries have been stripped of 32 medals; western block -26
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_stripped_Olympic_medals
Pumped up Ellen agrees with you Pablo. The problem with your assertion is that their country supplied the drugs because they were state sponsored athletic programs. Plus, they were in charge of testing their own athletes. It still goes on. So is it strange that more Americans have been caught?
We have independent testing agencies who if caught colluding, would face criminal and civil charges
Pumped up Ellen agrees with you Pablo. The problem with your assertion is that their country supplied the drugs because they were state sponsored athletic programs. Plus, they were in charge of testing their own athletes. It still goes on. So is it strange that more Americans have been caught?
We have independent testing agencies who if caught colluding, would face criminal and civil charges
Don't try to distract me with cute Russian girls. I still am against against the board bans.
Can't blame a guy for trying. Bet she has the GI Joe, Kung Foo grip and everything.
With a small investments for electrolysis, she a keeper.
Didn't see this posted anywhere and I'm not up-to-speed on the Russian team, but this was in an article:
The head of the Russian Wrestling Federation told the R-Sport agency that two-time world champion Viktor Lebedev was ineligible because he was given a doping ban in 2006.
The head of the Russian Wrestling Federation told the R-Sport agency that two-time world champion Viktor Lebedev was ineligible because he was given a doping ban in 2006.
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