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Dec 20, 2012
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125- Business as usual; dude is strong as hell on those TDs: A
133-Still needs to conquer those guys getting to his legs early; still managed to major him-B+
141-Gritty performance by Topher against their top wrestler in his first dual. Ashnault was plumb tired-B
149-Sorensen came on and dominated-A
157-Cooper just tough as nails, if he had the technique to go with it, he would be top 4-A
165-Rhodes another gritty performance against one of their best guys-C+
174-Still not seeing what we need to see here...not aggressive on his feet-C+
184-Bad match for Sammy against a game opponent, still got out with the win C+
197-Ditto Burak...C+
HWY-Sam Stoll.....

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I'm not worried about Sammy, he was clearly upset with the way he wrestled as far as i could see at the end. Maybe trying to make too much happen at once then got caught up underneath and suddenly its a close match. I don't think this will be a trend at all for sammy this season.
 
Got to listen to Ironside on the drive home.
Really only happy with Gilman's effort.
Specifically mentioned that Meyers / Sorensen have to start faster
Stoll has to win on his own shot, but the ref has to call the stall
Clark is letting people get to his legs to much
Carton cannot give up the wrist, looked like he thought they were oob before he gave up the wrist and then the backs.

So just about when I began to question if there was any good news coming out of the 29-6 win, he mentioned that...

Brody made weight today and is expected back for the Midlands.
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Great night for Sam, but I'd like to see him put a hard ride on a decent opponent. The ability to ride will be big when the wheat gets separated from the chaff in March, especially among the top heavies.
 
I like what Paddock brings. He's explosive, agile, and tenacious. I just don't think he's got the confidence to really step it up to the next level.
What doesn't help i'm sure is that seems like everytime we bring him out, he's going up against Alex Dierenger.
I'm anxious to see how Paddock does at Midlands. I think there's room to grow for him as the season progresses.
 
Imagine good wheat and bad wheat. It's the bad wheat.;)

Or, as Wikipedia says. . .

  1. Chaff (/ˈtʃæf/ or /ˈtʃɑːf/) is the dry, scaly protective casings of the seeds of cereal grain, or similar fine, dry, scaly plant material such as scaly parts of flowers, or finely chopped straw.
 
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same as when the dust settles - chaff is the crap off oats / corn / hay. or in military terms it is foil dropped to fool radar ..
 
#1 Iowa 27, #23 Rutgers 9
125 - #4 Thomas Gilman (Iowa) tech fall Sean McCabe(Wrestled Gilman again) (Rutgers), 25-10; 4-0
133 - Scott DelVecchio (Rutgers) dec. Phillip Laux (Iowa), 10-3; 4-3
141 - #11 Anthony Ashnault(Wrestled Carton (Rutgers) dec. #6 Josh Dziewa (Iowa), 3-1; 4-6
149 - #10 Brandon Sorenson (Iowa) major dec. Ken Theobold (Rutgers), 18-5; 8-6
157 - Mike Kelly (Iowa) dec. #13 Anthony Perrotti(Wrestled Rhoads) (Rutgers), 4-0; 11-6
165 - #7 Nick Moore (Iowa) major dec. Nick Gravina(Wrestled Brooks) (Rutgers), 16-4; 15-6
174 - #2 Mike Evans (Iowa) dec. Phil Bukuckas(Wrestled Meyer) (Rutgers), 5-0; 18-6
184 - #8 Sammy Brooks (Iowa) pinned Hayden Hrymach(Wrestled Burak) (Rutgers), 3:52; 24-6
197 - Andrew Campolattano (Rutgers) dec. Kris Klapprodt (Iowa), 8-5; 24-9
285 - #3 Bobby Telford (Iowa) dec. #9 Billy Smith(Wrestled Stoll) (Rutgers), 6-2; 27-9

Heres last years dual for some reference matches. I bolded who wrestled against iowa tonight.
 
Thanks, Lax. Interesting that Gravina is up to 184 from 165. Massive bump up in weight, and he looked pretty good-sized for 184. Sure didn't look smaller than Brooks to me. Must have really been sucking weight.
 
That would explain the pedestrian Nick Moore racking up a major decision against him one year and him giving Sammy Brooks all he wanted the next.
 
. . . and those two performances, a year apart, sure would seem unexpected. Who would have guessed Sammy would have struggled with a guy who'd gotten majored by Nick Moore, two weight classes down, the year before? Hard to believe, really. Good example of how cutting more weight doesn't necessarily translate into more success.
 
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Great posts by almost everybody. Great dual tonight! I thought every effiort was Outstanding! Even the matches we lost. Topher and Patrick Never stopped- wrestled to the end of every period.

With that being said......there are some Extremly critical posters on this board, almost degrading our wrestles, Even when they Won by a Major!! "Didn't start fast", "let him to his legs", "has to finish faster", "looked gassed", "flat footed", - on and on. I feel sorry for our wrestlers that don't get a major or TF faster than our "fans" think they should.

We have the Best Fans in the Country! Hands Down! But Also the most critical! Have you ever talked to an ex Iowa wrestler on his thoughts on our fans?? If not........you should.

With that being said, I would Love to see all of you post your college wrestling experience- no matter what level- so it can be Clear- your experienced background to be able to criticise our wrestlers. And, onviously youll be respected more when you post yiur college experience. High school dioesnt count! Or, are you just poster- and have NO clue on what these kids are going through in the Iowa room??

Before you yell at me.... I'm a 4X D2 National Qualifyer and a 2X AA. Never had the mustered for what it took for D1. Wrestled all those guys back in HS- all styles - they were at just a different level! Please respect our guys more than anything!

Remember... our wrestles read these posts-- and they feed off of Posative Energy- so please keep them Posative!

Go Hawks!!
 
That ride needs to be made illegal or put on the 5 count list.

It's riding parallel, plain and simple. Our guys do it, too; because why wouldn't you?

One of the top HS refs in NJ used to tell both teams before meets that he would never call stalling on the bottom man when the top guy has a leg in, and that if you aren't making progress towards turning the guy he would call stalemate quickly. I wish the rules were written like that.
 
Everyone loves adulation when things are rosy. Parents and wrestlers are accustomed to being placed on a pedestal when you are successful. Conversely... I see absolutely nothing wrong with being critical and honest about sub par performances, as some on this forum are. Fans sometimes live their lives thru sports. Nearly everyone here loves Iowa wrestling and we express opinions which may sometimes offend others.

If you can't realize sincere opinions... this forum isn't for you. By and large... these are not malicious posts.
 
Everyone loves adulation when things are rosy. Parents and wrestlers are accustomed to being placed on a pedestal when you are successful. Conversely... I see absolutely nothing wrong with being critical and honest about sub par performances, as some on this forum are. Fans sometimes live their lives thru sports. Nearly everyone here loves Iowa wrestling and we express opinions which may sometimes offend others.

If you can't realize sincere opinions... this forum isn't for you. By and large... these are not malicious posts.

I completely understand j-bean's post above and agree. Also agree completely with you, Mitch. No doubt, we fans need to keep in mind all that these kids go through as Iowa wrestlers, and no doubt we should be supportive and positive. As long as we have free speech -- and thank God we do here in the US -- some will occasionally say ill-advised things that may be insensitive. That's unfortunate, but if the overall tone of the board is positive, hopefully any wrestlers, parents, etc. will get the message that Hawk fans support them like no other wrestling fans in the nation, hands down.

That said, I agree with Mitch that honest appraisals of performances are absolutely fine, and part of what makes this the most active and informative wrestling board, by far. No doubt, some posters on here -- Tarp, for one -- have been in the Iowa room and know first-hand how tough the grind can be. However, the majority of us are presumably just average Joes/Josephines who love Iowa wrestling and respect these guys like crazy just for sticking it out in the room. I suspect many of us are long-time, diehard fans, having supported the Hawks for decades, through thick and thin, but we have no illusions that we could do what these guys do -- just tremendous respect for what they can do.

If our assessments of any given performance seem critical and/or overly demanding, it's almost guaranteed to be due to the expectations of Iowa wrestling and the great history of Iowa wrestling. Our coaches and wrestlers expect to be #1 every year, and every time out, they and we are thinking in those terms. . . . What kind of progress are we making toward another team title? How about individual titles? That's how Iowa coaches, wrestlers, and fans think, and that's the attitude that creates historically dominant programs like Iowa wrestling. So if our comments ever seem unrealistic or overly demanding, it's because we want like heck for our guys to experience the satisfaction of reaching the pinnacle of their sport, as a team and as individuals.

In short, we're behind our guys 100% and no fan base in the nation supports a wrestling program like Iowa fans. We're as imperfect as the next guy/gal, but we're as passionate as fans get. Sure, our expectations are lofty, but they're no different from the expectations of everyone in the Iowa room.

GO HAWKS!!!
 
J Bean...pointing out a wrestler's weakness or when they don't perform is not a bad thing... Just analysis. A couple of guys did look flat last night...a certain 133 pounder does have the tendency to give up the first TD, he has since his freshman year. Now if Cory got beat last night and one of said "He sucks and he'll never win a title," you would have a point.

Congrats on your DII career...You have probably gone further than most on here. I bet most who wrestled though, could give detailed reasons why they didn't make it to the next level. For example, I worked and partied in the summer instead of trained. Was decent in all positions but a guy who was good on his feet with a good tank could take me more often than not.
 
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Everyone gets an A tonight thanks to Stoll, but Meyer, Brooks and Burak get very low As.


You call that "Grades"..........WEAK

Have you gone all politically correct on us..............afraid of hurting someone's feelings or their parents feelings?

You probably just need an attitude adjustment. A couple hours on the mat with Terry should get you back in your Good form.
 
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I just think Iowa fans realize that if each guy wrestled to his potential, they would all get As. I did not wrestle, and am only a fan. I am pretty good at what I do, but it is not wrestling. I can only say that I am competitive, as are all of you. If we were splitting hairs, JBean would be relegated to a specific DII board. I feel no one has really crossed the line with harsh critiques in this thread, but it seems like the "bickering" is fixin' to start. I am all for being respectful, but I can't be giving out grades that weren't earned.
 
As per the norm JBean, we are going to have agree to disagree. Now this evening I didn't have much to be critical about as I thought the Hawks wrestled great for the most part. They all showed a heck of a lot of fight. To pretend though that Sammy Brooks performed at the level he is capable against a clearly inferior opponent is silly. I don't think that the only people that are allowed to have a critique are current or former D1 wrestlers/coaches. I've been wrestling for over 25 years and am extremely passionate about the sport, just because I cannot now or ever wrestle at their level doesn't mean I can't critique a mediocre performance. Most sports writers make a living at this and almost none of them competed at the highest level. I am a BJJ Brown Belt and have been training for over 10 years. Guess what? I critique black belts all the time that are better than me!
 
Now if Cory got beat last night and one of said "He sucks and he'll never win a title," you would have a point.
That is exactly what would have happened if he lost. This board was a complete mess after NCAAs last year. Our fans are the best when things are going well, and are more petulant than any other fan base when things aren't going well
 
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JBean, Congrats on a nice collegiate career. I agree with most of your post. I for one, did not wrestle in high school or college. I wrestled in a couple open tournaments in 1977when I was 12. Our high school did not have wrestling so my father told me I was not wrestling anymore. I played 4 sports and did what WWDM did during the summer. Just because I "have not done the grind" does not mean I know nothing about it. I love wrestling and continue to educate myself about it. I just wanted to add that I will never be critical of our guys and will never doubt their effort. Just like life, we have good days and bad days, I just hope that are wrestlers have good days when they wrestle but some do not and that is when we hope that they can push through for a big win. I believe it takes a special person to be a collegiate wrestler at all levels. These kids have to train, cut weight, keep academics in order, try to have a social life, stay focused mentally, and last but not least try to live up to expectations. Thanks for listening!
 
Thanks, Lax. Interesting that Gravina is up to 184 from 165. Massive bump up in weight, and he looked pretty good-sized for 184. Sure didn't look smaller than Brooks to me. Must have really been sucking weight.

Gravina, while never a big kid, was notorious for sucking weight. I told you he wrestled 103 his Freshman year; he was walking around 125 that summer, and he was in wrestling shape! He actually was a favorite to be state champ his Senior season, but he sucked-down so hard he looked horrible during the tournament. He still placed, because he's a talented kid, but some of us have always said he'd be more effective if he didn't cut so much. This is probably a better weight for him.
 
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That is exactly what would have happened if he lost. This board was a complete mess after NCAAs last year. Our fans are the best when things are going well, and are more petulant than any other fan base when things aren't going well

I enjoy your posts, 1stplace, but this in an unfair assessment, IMO. Sure, there may be some fans who go way overboard in their criticisms, but I'd say most fans on this board are quite reasonable. I see nothing wrong with expressing frustration when things don't go well, as long as there aren't personal attacks involved, and those are pretty rare on this board, even in rough times.

To claim that Iowa fans are any more petulant than any other fans is, IMO, unfounded and unfair. There are a whole lot more of us, to be sure, and they don't get any more passionate, but I wouldn't say we're any more petulant in turbulent times than any other fan base. When you're dealing with a fan base as big as ours, you're bound to see more knuckleheads -- it's just a numbers game.

So had Cory lost last night, some probably would have said something stupid. And they would have been in the minority, much like any other fan base across the nation.
 
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I enjoy your posts, 1stplace, but this in an unfair assessment, IMO. Sure, there may be some fans who go way overboard in their criticisms, but I'd say most fans on this board are quite reasonable. I see nothing wrong with expressing frustration when things don't go well, as long as there aren't personal attacks involved, and those are pretty rare on this board, even in rough times.

To claim that Iowa fans are any more petulant than any other fans is, IMO, unfounded and unfair. There are a whole lot more of us, to be sure, and they don't get any more passionate, but I wouldn't say we're any more petulant in turbulent times than any other fan base. When you're dealing with a fan base as big as ours, you're bound to see more knuckleheads -- it's just a numbers game.

So had Cory lost last night, some probably would have said something stupid. And they would have been in the minority, much like any other fan base across the nation.
I like the majority of people that post on this board, but I have seen this place in full meltdown mode more than once with everyone throwing every wrestler and coach under the bus. Maybe my comments are a bit unfair, but lets face it, our fan base is spoiled by success. We all have high standards for our guys, but we need to be realistic at the same time.
 
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J-Bean: No one on this board is saying anything the wrestlers don't already know. I promise you Brooks knows he wasn't sharp and that he has to get out from bottom AND can't almost pin yourself. No one here is being critical of these guys, just making observations. If you want to see people being critical go check out the basketball forum right now.

With that said something else that caught my eye last night was even though Stoll didn't put on a very good ride, he also didn't get flattened out or ridden by a very good opponent. If he can continue to get out like last night he's going to be tough to beat.
 
Good observation, goia. Big change from his match with Marsden. Part of that may be just because Marsden is a little bigger and probably a little better than Smith, but still, he got out pretty quickly against a quality heavy, which is promising. Probably had to do with some improved conditioning as well as some confidence. Sam seems to really believe in what he's doing out there -- more than half the battle right there.

That said, would love to see him put a good, hard ride on a quality opponent. If/when it gets to OT, he's going to need it. Great progress, though!
 
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