Ryan Kriener Time
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Agree. Not sure what the answer is, but Dailey needs to be on the floor. Big upside to him as well. Jok will be worn to the nub half way through conference if they keep playing him that many minutes.
I think both Dailey and Kriener are talented guys.....capable of contributing and contributing this year. The problem is we currently have Jones and Cook sitting out for injuries and when they return what does that do with Kriener? Dailey has the length, skills, and athletic ability to contribute in the same way that Jok, Moss, Wagner, and to an extent Uhl contribute....we have talented depth on this team and more coming next year.
I think Kriener and Dailey both should of redshirted to start to split up classes.
Fran tried to redshirt Dailey but he choose instead to play. Possible transfer after this season if he does not see himself getting PT going forward.
I'd like to see Kriener start with Cook. Said it before, will say it again. Pemsyl and the Grizz provide great depth and versatility off the pine. Since Kriener and even Cook will face freshman hurtles Pemsyl would still see a lot of minutes for a freshmen. The Grizz provides even more versatility and first guy in for P Jok and playing 4 when we go small.
Kriener is very long and large. He'd commit some fouls but he'd draw some fouls through sheer size. Then, if we win the race to the second foul on the adversaries big guys, Pemsyl comes in with his torture chamber of low post moves and suddenly we're shooting fouls with an opponent in foul trouble.
Uhl has not proven an adequate interior option so let's give Kriener a chance.
Kriener is very long and large. He'd commit some fouls but he'd draw some fouls through sheer size. Then, if we win the race to the second foul on the adversaries big guys, Pemsyl comes in with his torture chamber of low post moves and suddenly we're shooting fouls with an opponent in foul trouble.
Uhl has not proven an adequate interior option so let's give Kriener a chance.
That wouldn't be smart. Major minutes opening up next year with Jok's graduation. Barring some circumstance where Christian Williams starts playing the 2/3, it'll be Ellingson and Dailey battling for minutes at the two after Moss, and Baer, Uhl, Wagner(?), and Dailey at the 3.
I think Fran needs to play Kreiner some in the post every game. He's a legit 6'9 or taller and is long. He can rebound and block a few shots. He also has some offensive skills including a jump shot. Definitely raw and can look lost at times on the offensive end.
The value in playing him now is we can push his development forward. Then we have 2 more guys in Garza & Nunge coming in to shore things up along the front line next year.
Kreiner's situation reminds me a lot of Gabe Olesani. When Gabe was a freshman he played very little and was extremely raw but you looked at his athleticism and skill set thinking why not give him some time to develop right now? We were really struggling to find a true post player that year trying different guys. Then we put Gabe on the floor more the next year when woody was a freshman and thought wow this guy has some nice upside too bad we did not play him much the year before. To me it was we lost a year of growth and experience on the court with Gabe. Hate to see the same with Kreiner.
This season is likely not a tourney or NIT season so to me it's more important to play a guy like Kreiner some along with the other young pups to help his growth and confidence for next year.
The value in playing him now is we can push his development forward. Then we have 2 more guys in Garza & Nunge coming in to shore things up along the front line next year.
Kreiner's situation reminds me a lot of Gabe Olesani. When Gabe was a freshman he played very little and was extremely raw but you looked at his athleticism and skill set thinking why not give him some time to develop right now? We were really struggling to find a true post player that year trying different guys. Then we put Gabe on the floor more the next year when woody was a freshman and thought wow this guy has some nice upside too bad we did not play him much the year before. To me it was we lost a year of growth and experience on the court with Gabe. Hate to see the same with Kreiner.
This season is likely not a tourney or NIT season so to me it's more important to play a guy like Kreiner some along with the other young pups to help his growth and confidence for next year.
I agree would like to see more of Kreiner on the floor and a little more patience from Fran on Kreiner's play. He could obviously take some of Uhl's minutes IMO.
Ryan Kriener is tall and fairly quick, but he just doesn't have the moves and polish of the other freshman bigs, plain and simple. He's in that 10th-11th spot in the rotation, with Cook and Jones yet to come back in the next month, so unless someone gets hurt or Uhl gives up he's probably not going to see a lot of minutes this year. And then next year you have two heralded newcomer bigs who will play right away (in the rotation) and the front court will be even more congested and competitive. If he doesn't come up with some sort of a dominating performance in the next three games or so, the writing could be on the wall. I think Ryan can run the floor and rebound, but it's his offensive prowess that is not evident so far. In the next three games, he needs definitely to have some or half of Uhl's minutes to start to show his stuff.
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I'd say its pretty early to judge his offensive prowess. He's had very little chance to show his stuff. Its almost impossible to get in the flow of a game, when you play every third game for just a couple of minute spurts. Use Moss as an example. He's really starting to get in the flow now that he's getting regular minutes. His confidence seems to be growing by leaps and bounds. Heaven forbid, but it will probably take an injury to one of the post players for Kreiner to get that chance this year. I think Fran is making an effort to keep Uhl involved, so as not to risk losing him. I hope Kreiner stays patient, and keeps working hard. I think he'll be a valuable player for Iowa down the road.
I've appreciated your comments over the years EastIowaHawk, but that could be about the dumbest one you've ever made. These kids are a few weeks into their college career and your already writing some kids off. It takes longer for some kids then others, some kids come in to college physically ready to play and some don't. A lot of different sources claimed Kriener had a breakout fall. The overall ceiling for Kriener's talent is quite high, he may redshirt next year to let some kids clear out of the way. Who know's, let's think a little before we write kids off 8 weeks into their college career. He doesn't need a breakout performance in the next three games. He needs to work hard, be a good teammate and take advantage off his opportunities when they come. Remember it's a long season and hopeful all the kids have success and improve. The future looks bright. Good luck to all the Hawleyes!
Uhl was supposed to be a 3 at Iowa...I don't see that happening. Also, I don't think going big and slow at 3 has worked out for Fran's teams.Whitey tried to be a 3, McCabe tried to be a 3.....we seem to be too slow on defense and Iowa would be better off going with 3 guard lineup like what rest of college B-ball does.
We have Kreiner, Wagner, Pemsl, Garza, Nunge, Cook and Uhl competing for 2 spots next year at 4/5. I would also add Baer has looked better as a 4 than trying to guard/get offense from 3 spot. So I think Fran has overloaded the schollies towards the bigs.
I like Kreiner....The only thing Uhl has on Kreiner is quickness...Kreiner with his longer arms probably can be better rebounder and there is no way that Kreiner can be worse at finishing layups than Uhl has shown.
We have Kreiner, Wagner, Pemsl, Garza, Nunge, Cook and Uhl competing for 2 spots next year at 4/5. I would also add Baer has looked better as a 4 than trying to guard/get offense from 3 spot. So I think Fran has overloaded the schollies towards the bigs.
I like Kreiner....The only thing Uhl has on Kreiner is quickness...Kreiner with his longer arms probably can be better rebounder and there is no way that Kreiner can be worse at finishing layups than Uhl has shown.
If/when Wagner and Cook develop their shot, they can both play the three. We haven't seen Nunge yet either in terms of athleticism and defending, so even at 6'9/10, there's a chance he could log minutes at the three. Otherwise, Baer might be forced to play it.
I still think both Kreiner and Dailey should have taken a redshirt this year. For Kriener, I think that will become more evident during the 2nd half of the season as his already limited minutes become even more sparse. Its a close call. It might work out. He could be a factor in foul trouble games.
Dailey's decision is really baffling to me because he could really have used the year to build up his strength. I don't see how he gets any significant playing time unless, god forbid, Iowa suffers multiple injuries going forward.
Dailey's decision is really baffling to me because he could really have used the year to build up his strength. I don't see how he gets any significant playing time unless, god forbid, Iowa suffers multiple injuries going forward.
Dailey told Fran he didn't want to. I'm sure Fran tried to convince him otherwise but his choice. He may be a transfer candidate who knows.
Uhls position flex ball handling and limited ability to hit 3 make him more valuable off bench . Wagner much more likely to lose minutes to Kriener who is better offensively once broken in and built more for guarding big 10 4s and 5s and defensive rebounding.
Redshirt puts him into a class that has a big stretch 4 and bigger 5 makes no sense probably.
Redshirt puts him into a class that has a big stretch 4 and bigger 5 makes no sense probably.
Ryan, and certainly all of us, just need to have patience. He has a huge upside. Right now Fran has so many variables to handle that Kriener has to wait a bit. I agree that a redshirt makes no sense with the two guys coming in next year. A lot could happen to the lineup over the next year that none of us could possibly imagine. I wasn't writing him off; I'd just like to see him start to show some of the offensive skill set he needs to separate himself from the logjam in our 4/5 positions, as many have posted. Playing time may get tougher to achieve when the BIG games start; that's what I meant. Defensively, I think he does a good job; rebounding, too. Persistence may be what pays off for Ryan.
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While I like the idea of Kriener starting as the best way to get him a few meaningful minutes Hawks still need PT distribution to keep Pemsyl and Cook together on the floor for the most minutes and the crunch minutes.
Kriener should have redshirted. Huge mistake on his part. Coaches too, although the decision is Ryan's... Such is life.
Not too many games left to do that. Two really. UNI will be tough, as usual. So we really just have ND & Delaware St. Then it is B1G season. The bench will be down to 9 or 10 players.
Baer, Jok, Pemsl, JBo, Cook, Moss, Wagner, Williams, and Uhl. The bench set. This Will be your consistent rotation. Then maybe Jones & Ellington. No Dailey, nor Kriener. Except one or two B1G blowouts. OR they somehow grow exponentially - in practice. It won't be with game time minutes. Just not enough lower competition let for their chances to play.
Like Kriener's game from the tape that I have seen. I just dont think he is going to see a lot of time this year unless we get an injury or foul trouble.
Cook, Pemsl, Uhl, Bear will all play ahead of him. His best bet is to practice hard this year and he will see more minutes next year.
Cook, Pemsl, Uhl, Bear will all play ahead of him. His best bet is to practice hard this year and he will see more minutes next year.
Unless they are making mistakes, why can't they play in meaningful games? Not like we are playing them half the game.
So will there be a definite log-jam next year when Garza & Nunge get here? Chance of either one taking a red-shirt?
I would think the chance of Nunge taking a red shirt is high. I am not sure it wouldn't be a good idea for RK and JN to both take one next season. But a lot can happen in a year so who knows.
While Nunge would fit the description of a good redshirt candidate, I would have to believe the odds are slim to none he redshirts next year barring injury. Garza and Nunge both play next year, too much talent not to from what I've seen and read. Then again, we will be 8 scholarship players that are primarily suited for the post, so something will have to give. I'm not sure if Wagner has the skills to ultimately end up at the 3 or wing, but its probably the best way for him to see minutes next year and beyond. Practices will be extremely competitive with Wagner, Cook, Kriener, Uhl, Pemsl, Baer, Garza and Nunge next year.
While I believe both have talent, there simply won't be enough playing time for everyone. Someone or more likely a couple guys won't be getting much PT. Pemsl, Cook, Wagner, Baer, and Uhl all return who will have gotten significant contribution this year and some last year. Add in Kriener and then the two newcomers, Nunge and Garza.
My guess is that Nunge redshirts and Kriener and Garza fight for PT at the 5 spot.
Guys play based on how they perform in practice and what gives the team the best chance to win that game. Fran didn't just randomly put Moss in the starting lineup against Notre Dame. It was likely due to Moss playing better in practice. Kriener has a future, but right now he's not as good as Pemsl, Cook, Wagner and to some extent Uhl. Uhl's advantage is he has the footspeed to at least try to guard guys on the perimeter more effectively than Kriener.
Kriener so far has shown a willingness to rebound and to try and defend. That's a good start. Limited offensive game but that's not unexpected for a guy coming from small-school Iowa basketball. If he doesn't play big minutes this year, it doesn't mean he won't ever. Just means he's got guys ahead of him. Kriener will be needed against teams like Purdue or Michigan State, where it's likely our post guys will be in trouble or we need extra bodies defending the post.
Because Iowa will be trying to win the games. Team is improving, but look what happened when Fran took Jok out with Iowa up 14 and 12 minutes left against Iowa State. Cyclones ran of 7 straight points in a minute. Jok had to come back in the game. Fran will play 9-10 guys (with 98% of the minutes going to 8 guys) for most conference games. Which is normal for a coach to do. No one plays 11-12 guys for 10+ minutes a game, unless you are Kentucky with 10 4 and 5-star talents on the roster.
MSU has less 'post' presence than I remember in some time. Bridges is really a SF that Wagner probably matches up well against. PD, possibly we could use him. But it's not as bad as the 3-headed monster they had last year down low.
He's a different type of player. A more true post player, Kriener was a wing forward and grew into a post player but has good ball skills and facing game.
I take to mean in Dailey's case that he wants to see if Fran will play him. If Fran doesn't, which seems to be the case, reasonable chance he will transfer in spring and use his RS year for his transfer year.
