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http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/22/health/sandy-hook-families-gun-lawsuit/index.html

(CNN)To hear Jackie Barden and David Wheeler describe their lives today is a master class in hope.

On December 14, 2012, Barden's youngest son, Daniel, and Wheeler's son, Ben, were among those killed at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut.

"(My husband) Mark and I still have a great life, and we really have to remember that," Barden said, adding that their two children bring the family an enormous amount of love and strength. "We are fortunate with what we have with the two of them."

"I am a completely different person," she said, referring to the life she leads since her son was killed.


Wheeler said his life has changed in every way.

"It's not as though there aren't moments of hope and beauty in every second of every day, because there are," he said. "The trick is finding them ... when you don't feel like you can."


What gets him out of bed, he said, is the challenge of making sure no more parents or families have to endure what they did: 20 children and six educators killed when a young man unloaded 154 rounds from an AR-15 semiautomatic rifle.

That rifle is based on an automatic, lightweight weapon originally commissioned by the U.S. military. The only limit to the speed the AR-15 fires is how fast a shooter can pull the trigger for each round.

"Each of the kids had three to eight bullets in them," Barden said. "There is just something wrong if that can happen."

Wheeler and Barden are part of a potentially precedent-setting lawsuit seeking accountability fromgun-maker Remington.

"Our families deserve that day in court," said Joshua Koskoff, an attorney representing nine victims' families and a teacher who survived. "We believe they should be accountable to their fair share that result from criminal misuse of their product -- in this case the AR-15 rifle.

"It's always been a big uphill battle for plaintiffs to sue the gun industry," said Georgia State University law professor Timothy Lytton. "It was even before the immunity (legislation), and it's an even bigger one now."

One exception to the immunity legislation is what's called "negligent entrustment."

"Say a gun retailer handed a gun to a visibly intoxicated person, then they're not subject to the immunity," said Lytton, who studies gun industry litigation.

You might ask: Since Remington did not come into direct contact with the shooter -- that happened at a gun retailer -- how would that apply? The lawsuit argues that the way in which the company sells and markets a military-style weapon to the civilian market is a form of negligent entrustment.

"Remington took a weapon that was made to the specs of the U.S. military for the purpose of killing enemy soldiers in combat -- and that weapon in the military is cared for with tremendous amount of diligence, in terms of training, storage, who gets the weapon, and who can use it," Koskoff, the attorney for the families, said. "They took that same weapon and started peddling it to the civilian market for the purposes of making a lot of money."
 
As a parent, I can't even begin to imagine the pain of losing a child, especially in such a violent way. So I don't judge these parents for their actions. But I have to wonder what is the objective here. The gun manufacturer complied with the law so I don't see how/why they are culpable.

The person who exhibited the most negligence was also the first person to be killed by Lanza.
 
As a parent, I can't even begin to imagine the pain of losing a child, especially in such a violent way. So I don't judge these parents for their actions. But I have to wonder what is the objective here. The gun manufacturer complied with the law so I don't see how/why they are culpable.

The person who exhibited the most negligence was also the first person to be killed by Lanza.
Money? I'm sorry about their loss, but F these people. Any semi automatic weapon could fire the same number of bullets, not just a "military spec" rifle.
 
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They can sue, it will have to be dismissed. Hopefully with the same results as the Aurora parents that were stuck with the Defense bills too. Bloomberg's group left them hanging out there on that one.

I can't believe that these parents always seem to see losing their kids as a winning lottery ticket but I guess it takes all kinds.
 
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They have no chance to win. It seems their quotes above in the article are more concerned with how many bullets were fired than whether or not a SINGLE bullet hit any kids. Very stupid argument.
 
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What gets him out of bed, he said, is the challenge of making sure no more parents or families have to endure what they did: 20 children and six educators killed when a young man unloaded 154 rounds from an AR-15 semiautomatic rifle.

That rifle is based on an automatic, lightweight weapon originally commissioned by the U.S. military. The only limit to the speed the AR-15 fires is how fast a shooter can pull the trigger for each round.

"Each of the kids had three to eight bullets in them," Barden said. "There is just something wrong if that can happen."


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o, would they have felt better about it if there were only 25 bullets that were fired that killed those 20 individuals?
 
I'm sorry your kid is dea

Money? I'm sorry about their loss, but F these people.

They can sue, it will have to be dismissed. Hopefully with the same results as the Aurora parents that were stuck with the Defense bills too. Bloomberg's group left them hanging out there on that one.

I can't believe that these parents always seem to see losing their kids as a winning lottery ticket but I guess it takes all kinds.

The Tiny Penis Patrol, AKA American gun owners, acting like the white trash they are. The only solace I can take is gun freaks and their kids are the ones who are statistically more likely to bite it in the end. I hope one day gun manufacturers get it like tobacco companies.
 
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The Tiny Penis Patrol, AKA American gun owners, acting like the white trash they are. The only solace I can take is gun freaks and their kids are the ones who are statistically more likely to bite it in the end. I hope one day gun manufacturers get it like tobacco companies.
So are you in favor of GM getting sued when someone drives a car into a crowd? How about the car salesman and the gas station? This crap is just stupid.
BTW why are all of you gun grabbers so obsessed with the size of the male member? This is a common theme with you guys.
 
The Tiny Penis Patrol, AKA American gun owners, acting like the white trash they are. The only solace I can take is gun freaks and their kids are the ones who are statistically more likely to bite it in the end. I hope one day gun manufacturers get it like tobacco companies.

A shining example of liberal tolerance! ... and not your first of the day!
 
So are you in favor of GM getting sued when someone drives a car into a crowd? How about the car salesman and the gas station? This crap is just stupid.
BTW why are all of you gun grabbers so obsessed with the size of the male member? This is a common theme with you guys.

One is designed to transport people safely from point A to point B, the other one is designed to kill people. Are you really that stupid? Or are you just terrible at making arguments that make rational sense?
 
One is designed to transport people safely from point A to point B, the other one is designed to kill people. Are you really that stupid? Or are you just terrible at making arguments that make rational sense?
Both have a lawful purpose and both can be used to murder. How can you favor Remington being sued out of business and not GM? As I said these thing are just stupid and that is why Congress acted on it.
 
I said it and I'm a Democrat. Menace is just dumber than a box of rocks.

No one cares if you're a frickin' Hindu. You are a complete moron. You actually thought guns and cars are a moral equivalent because, you know, you can kill people with cars. Like guns were made to give man another way to open a soup can. AND you thought that was some deep thought! No one will ever accuse you of being an intellectual.
 
The Tiny Penis Patrol, AKA American gun owners, acting like the white trash they are. The only solace I can take is gun freaks and their kids are the ones who are statistically more likely to bite it in the end. I hope one day gun manufacturers get it like tobacco companies.
Lol, ok brah. These people are just looking for a big payday. Take off your blinders.
 
No one cares if you're a frickin' Hindu. You are a complete moron. You actually thought guns and cars are a moral equivalent because, you know, you can kill people with cars. Like guns were made to give man another way to open a soup can. AND you thought that was some deep thought! No one will ever accuse you of being an intellectual.
There is just so much stupid going on in your brain right now I don't think you can be helped.
 
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This suit is about hurting an evil and reckless industry. The gall of some of you to belittle and vilify these parents is sickening. Anything to protect your precious assault weapons that you're so scared to live without under your pillows.
 
So are you in favor of GM getting sued when someone drives a car into a crowd? How about the car salesman and the gas station? This crap is just stupid.
BTW why are all of you gun grabbers so obsessed with the size of the male member? This is a common theme with you guys.

Or the knife maker when someone stabs someone to death......and on and on.
 
This suit is about hurting an evil and reckless industry. The gall of some of you to belittle and vilify these parents is sickening. Anything to protect your precious assault weapons that you're so scared to live without under your pillows.
The suit can't hurt anyone but the people that filed it. It will have to be dismissed. Further more every time gun grabbers try this stupid crap it just rallies the NRA troops and makes them stronger.
 
And guess what. More people are stabbed to death in the US every year than are killed by automatic pistols and assault rifles combined.

There are exponentially more knives than guns. If we look at a weapon to homicide ratio, knives would not hold a candle to guns.
 
There are exponentially more knives than guns. If we look at a weapon to homicide ratio, knives would not hold a candle to guns.
More guns and fewer killers. Fewer violent crimes. Fewer Homicides. Stay the course.

And for god's sake stop filing stupid law suit that can't be won. That's just stupid.
 
This suit is about hurting an evil and reckless industry. The gall of some of you to belittle and vilify these parents is sickening. Anything to protect your precious assault weapons that you're so scared to live without under your pillows.
Oh, mistaken......thought a firearm needed someone to pull it's trigger before it fired......capable of killing someone. :p Another liberal false narrative....guns kill.

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Read this one.
http://thefifthcolumnnews.com/2015/06/the-facts-that-neither-side-wants-to-admit-about-gun-control/

There is something that just get lost here is the sheer number of guns here. We can all see the dogs in the US. They are all over the place. Not everyone has one and many have more than one. I have 2 myself. With the number of dogs in mind, understand that there are 4 guns in the US for every dog. There are 80 million dogs in the US and over 320,000,000 guns. There will never be a time in my life, my kids, life or my Grandkids' life that guns will not be available. We will never get rid of them.

And with all the guns sold in the US in the last 8 years, somehow amazingly the homicide rate keeps falling. The answer has to be somewhere besides banning guns.
 
This suit is about hurting an evil and reckless industry. The gall of some of you to belittle and vilify these parents is sickening. Anything to protect your precious assault weapons that you're so scared to live without under your pillows.


You do realize the weapon used in that shooting was NOT and assault rifle right?
 
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