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Scientists and Major Businesses Agree on Climate Change

Nov 28, 2010
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This is a few days old. SIAP.

Amazing that so many could not just be fooled but could bet their future on this hoax. Are they just blowing smoke to mollify the warmistas until the GOP can capture the White House?

Global Companies Joining Climate Change Efforts

Nine major companies are expected on Wednesday to join a global coalition of firms intent on converting to renewable energy. The new members include Johnson & Johnson, Procter & Gamble, Starbucks, Walmart and Goldman Sachs. A handful of the companies have already reached the 100 percent target; others do not expect to do so for several decades, but they are typically setting aggressive interim targets.

For example, Procter & Gamble, the world’s largest consumer-products company, said it would convert to 30 percent renewable energy by 2020, up from 7 percent today. The new target, a culmination of years of environmental efforts by the company, means that Bounty paper towels, Charmin toilet tissue, Tide detergent and many other goods commonly found in American pantries will increasingly be made with green energy.

“We’ve been very clear that we think climate change is something that’s real and needs to be addressed,” Len Sauers, P.&G.’s vice president for global sustainability, said in an interview. “People that use our products expect a company like P.&G. to be responsible.”

The efforts include less overall use of energy and water, more recycling, more use of renewable energy, and a wave of promises to improve the supply chains for commodities like soybeans, palm oil and beef. These are often produced in the tropics, creating powerful financial incentives to chop down forests, which not only contributes to global warming but destroys some the world’s richest biological regions.

Two commodity companies, Bunge, of White Plains, N.Y., and Astra Agro Lestari, of Indonesia, announced strong policies in recent days meant to reduce deforestation. Glenn Hurowitz, a senior fellow at the Center for International Policy, a Washington think tank, described the Astra announcement as especially significant, given the palm oil company’s political influence in Indonesia, a country that has seen rampant deforestation in recent years.

However, Mr. Hurowitz and several other environmental advocates strongly criticized another company, Cargill, of Minnetonka, Minn. That giant commodity processor had signed a declaration in New York a year ago that committed many commodity firms to help end deforestation globally by 2020, yet a recent policy from Cargill does not commit to ending it entirely before 2030.

“Cargill is being left in the dust by its competitors in the race to provide environmentally responsible products to customers who demand them,” Mr. Hurowitz said.

More here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/23/science/global-companies-joining-climate-change-efforts.html
 
Good business decisions but not sure they are driven by anything other than wanting to be viewed as environmentally friendly. This is like Walmart pushing the Made in America message.

People don't protest and boycott because a company goes this route but some people will if they don't.
 
Good business decisions but not sure they are driven by anything other than wanting to be viewed as environmentally friendly. This is like Walmart pushing the Made in America message.

People don't protest and boycott because a company goes this route but some people will if they don't.
Probably at least part of the impetus. But they also aren't idiots. They know global warming is real and a threat.

The problem that sensible businesses face is that, on the one hand, they grasp the science and the risks; yet, on the other, they have to remain competitive. Most of these guys would probably love to be "forced" to go green - as long as their competitors are also forced to go green. They know that the path we are on is dangerously shortsighted but they can't stray too far from that path if it means their competition can undercut them.

Same argument as with things like health care and wages. If you provide health care to your workers but your competitor can undersell you by cutting benefits to his workers, you are in a race to the bottom; whereas if the law requires both of you to provide health care, now he doesn't have that competitive advantage, and workers at both companies are better off. Good employers and good companies will welcome sensible laws that get them out of the short-term rut.
 
Good business decisions but not sure they are driven by anything other than wanting to be viewed as environmentally friendly. This is like Walmart pushing the Made in America message.

People don't protest and boycott because a company goes this route but some people will if they don't.

No. Many are driven by viewing the issue as a 'long term risk' to their business models, not just propaganda.

For example: say P&G uses a crop-oil in their products which is sourced from somewhere that deforestation and land-use is unsustainable. They may do fine for the next 5-7 years, but if that component becomes scarcer due to unsustainability, their cost of goods may skyrocket within a decade if they are unable to find another source (and they have competition also trying to source the same stuff). By pushing their suppliers to utilize 'sustainable' resources, they are lowering the long-term risks they might need to reformulate a product down the road, or find more expensive sources for the product. Sustainability is not just a buzzword - it is also about long-term planning for your company's necessary resources to put products out. It may be an incremental cost increase today for them to do that, but it hedges against long-term risks and major cost headaches. Very much like your car insurance you pay out every year.
 
Just like gay marriage, climate change will be a net loser for the GOP.
Eventually. But will it be soon enough? Given the changed political funding climate, if they ever get control of all 3 branches of government, will they ever give it back? How much disaster will it take the next time? I mean it took the Iraq war, the Bush tax cuts and disastrous deregulation for them to lose the last time they held the WH. Just think how much damage they'll do next time.
 
Eventually. But will it be soon enough? Given the changed political funding climate, if they ever get control of all 3 branches of government, will they ever give it back? How much disaster will it take the next time? I mean it took the Iraq war, the Bush tax cuts and disastrous deregulation for them to lose the last time they held the WH. Just think how much damage they'll do next time.
In a ironic sort of way, it may be a Republican controlled government that the people have to take up arms against. I half-kid of course, but it does seem the the GOP is taking the nation hostage on a lot of hard-line positions that will ultimately lead to less freedom for anyone who doesn't fit the traditional Christian mold.
 
Republicans rallying around denial of marriage rights.

Republicans saying only people of certain religions should be President.

Republicans trying to take away educational opportunities.

What happened to the party of Lincoln?
 
In a ironic sort of way, it may be a Republican controlled government that the people have to take up arms against. I half-kid of course, but it does seem the the GOP is taking the nation hostage on a lot of hard-line positions that will ultimately lead to less freedom for anyone who doesn't fit the traditional Christian mold.
We will have implemented such a strong surveillance society and have militarized the police forces around the nation. Those who make the most noise about using their guns to fend off tyranny are the ones who will vote them into power. So even if there was any chance of overthrowing the oligarchs, who would do it?
 
We will have implemented such a strong surveillance society and have militarized the police forces around the nation. Those who make the most noise about using their guns to fend off tyranny are the ones who will vote them into power. So even if there was any chance of overthrowing the oligarchs, who would do it?
This is a very interesting point you bring up. That of freedom vs. security. You cannot have both. I'm just astounded that the party of freedom has rallied behind torture, militarizing our police force, and the denial of what should be very basic rights like healthcare, education, and equality.

I'm not sure where the GOP took the wrong turn, but ideas like this are very dangerous ones to have.
 
It's called "tax breaks". All the BS about evil oil and their "tax breaks" (breaks that any business gets), these guys want to do something that ensures they get their hands in the pie. That's all
 
The GW debate has turned into a political strawman. The issue is that most Americans dont give two shits about it.

And that's the problem. The denialists have been quite successful with their campaign of lies and deception, and have ended up trivializing the problem to the point that the majority have been lulled to sleep about its severity.
 
In the 1970's We were going to freeze to death.
In the 1990's the Ozone layer was gone
2000's Global Warming we were all going to melt
2010's Climate Change
2020's We will go back to freezing
2030's We will be out of water (Thanks to the farmers and Tiling)
 
This is a few days old. SIAP.

Amazing that so many could not just be fooled but could bet their future on this hoax. Are they just blowing smoke to mollify the warmistas until the GOP can capture the White House?

Global Companies Joining Climate Change Efforts

Nine major companies are expected on Wednesday to join a global coalition of firms intent on converting to renewable energy. The new members include Johnson & Johnson, Procter & Gamble, Starbucks, Walmart and Goldman Sachs. A handful of the companies have already reached the 100 percent target; others do not expect to do so for several decades, but they are typically setting aggressive interim targets.

For example, Procter & Gamble, the world’s largest consumer-products company, said it would convert to 30 percent renewable energy by 2020, up from 7 percent today. The new target, a culmination of years of environmental efforts by the company, means that Bounty paper towels, Charmin toilet tissue, Tide detergent and many other goods commonly found in American pantries will increasingly be made with green energy.

“We’ve been very clear that we think climate change is something that’s real and needs to be addressed,” Len Sauers, P.&G.’s vice president for global sustainability, said in an interview. “People that use our products expect a company like P.&G. to be responsible.”

The efforts include less overall use of energy and water, more recycling, more use of renewable energy, and a wave of promises to improve the supply chains for commodities like soybeans, palm oil and beef. These are often produced in the tropics, creating powerful financial incentives to chop down forests, which not only contributes to global warming but destroys some the world’s richest biological regions.

Two commodity companies, Bunge, of White Plains, N.Y., and Astra Agro Lestari, of Indonesia, announced strong policies in recent days meant to reduce deforestation. Glenn Hurowitz, a senior fellow at the Center for International Policy, a Washington think tank, described the Astra announcement as especially significant, given the palm oil company’s political influence in Indonesia, a country that has seen rampant deforestation in recent years.

However, Mr. Hurowitz and several other environmental advocates strongly criticized another company, Cargill, of Minnetonka, Minn. That giant commodity processor had signed a declaration in New York a year ago that committed many commodity firms to help end deforestation globally by 2020, yet a recent policy from Cargill does not commit to ending it entirely before 2030.

“Cargill is being left in the dust by its competitors in the race to provide environmentally responsible products to customers who demand them,” Mr. Hurowitz said.

More here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/23/science/global-companies-joining-climate-change-efforts.html

Yes, you have won me over. Facts be dammed.
 
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