Anyone else notice Dochterman's tweet late in the game yesterday saying Nate needed to be benched? Yes Nate was playing bad yes, but thought it was a BS of Scott to throw that out there. He has since deleted the tweet.
Scott Dochterman tweet to bench Nate
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Scotty didn't know........
He better be careful or Kirk will revoke his credentials
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Better yet, add him to the staff. No excuse for leaving a QB out there who was so obviously struggling. PSU managed pretty well when they put the backup in for mighty McSorley. And KF even had an excuse for going to Mansell: Stanley injured his throwing hand and had it taped up. With average QB play, Iowa wins that game easily. What a shame the backup wasn't given a chance.
Of course, KF watched Rudock go TEN STRAIGHT three-and-outs @ Maryland a few years ago and refused to go to the backup. Of course, the "backup" was only CJ Beathard, and he never got off the bench all day. Talk about stupidly stubborn...
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Stanleys game MVP is in the mail signed by every member of the PSU staff and team.
Why was it BS?
Completely reasonable thought.
Completely reasonable thought.
Had no issue with SDs tweet. A football teams success is determined by the sum of its parts, and if one of those parts is failing at its job, you replace it. 18 of 49 in the passing game should be get you the hook, considering the misses yesterday
good for Scott! Maybe this is why he can't hold a job down anymore
Twitter and the internet lynch mob is ruining football.
Heck — I “favorited” the tweet. I’m a huge Nate Stanley fan. Sitting him for a series or two would have been purely to improve our chance to win the game. Not any sort of discipline.
Sometimes a guy just needs a breather. Watching from the sideline for even just a series sometimes gives a QB a fresh start and a chance to talk with coaches to improve his perspective on the game. Sometimes a back-up can jump start the offense.
It might have helped Nate get his head on a little straighter, as he was in a world of hurt mentally.
Sometimes a guy just needs a breather. Watching from the sideline for even just a series sometimes gives a QB a fresh start and a chance to talk with coaches to improve his perspective on the game. Sometimes a back-up can jump start the offense.
It might have helped Nate get his head on a little straighter, as he was in a world of hurt mentally.
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Stanley should've at least sat for a drive in my uneducated opinion. Maybe not the entire game, but just a drive.
Why was it a BS thought? Sorry but Stanley didn't play well. Maybe a drive or 2 for Mansell or even Petras since he made the trip could have (not saying it would have) changed the outcome.
You are insane. I'm not even breaking this nonsense down.Better yet, add him to the staff. No excuse for leaving a QB out there who was so obviously struggling. PSU managed pretty well when they put the backup in for mighty McSorley. And KF even had an excuse for going to Mansell: Stanley injured his throwing hand and had it taped up. With average QB play, Iowa wins that game easily. What a shame the backup wasn't given a chance.
Of course, KF watched Rudock go TEN STRAIGHT three-and-outs @ Maryland a few years ago and refused to go the backup. Of course, the "backup" was only CJ Beathard, and he never got off the bench all day. Talk about stupidly stubborn...
Poor Stanley just plays "Tight" in some big games especially on the road against good teams (Wiscy last year and PSU), just a nervous Nellie. Would not be surprised if he did not dislocate/badly jam his right thumb. From someone who's done that multiple times playing hoops; it will be a bitch for him to grip the ball and be accurate.
Iowa had so many shots at this game.......................
Iowa had so many shots at this game.......................
The On Iowa Podcast is phenomenal. And Dochterman has really stepped up his game. They have a ton of great information and break downs of games, personnel, formations, successes and failures. And Dochterman does the heavy lifting.
I liked your post because I agree philosophically with everything you said after the first paragraph.
But journalists need to know what is within bounds to post during a game, and making a comment on social media that Stanley should be benched......does not meet that. Besides.....wherever he was at, covering this game, who was gonna read that post? Certainly nobody associated with the Iowa program participating in the game......
It's one thing for a fan to say that on a message board, like we would. It's another for a journalist, at the game to say that like it's gonna influence anything. All it will do is create more controversy afterwards, or be a talking point like it is now. If he wants to write an opinion piece on Monday about benching Stanley, good for him and good luck with that.
But posting during the game that Iowa should bench him........
I don’t see a problem with it. He noted that Stanley was playing so bad it was hurting the team and they may need to look at trying someone else. All true.
That's exactly the in-game adjustment KF cant make or wont make. KF is the problem.
Iowa has a coach who can't be fired so he couldn't care less what any of us think.
I love Nate Stanley but I said the same thing. Even if for only a little offensive spark. Not a permanent change but imo yesterday was that bad I think it should have happened.
Some people seem to have a problem understanding the difference between sitting a guy for a while that's playing poorly and replacing him completely.
These are very different things.
There are probably a small minority of people that want Mansell or Petras to replace Stanley. But that is not at all what I've read in the vast majority of posts. Sitting him for a couple of series to try to right the ship would have been a good approach. That wouldn't mean he's now replaced as starter. That is black and white, overreaction, thinking.
These are very different things.
There are probably a small minority of people that want Mansell or Petras to replace Stanley. But that is not at all what I've read in the vast majority of posts. Sitting him for a couple of series to try to right the ship would have been a good approach. That wouldn't mean he's now replaced as starter. That is black and white, overreaction, thinking.
Anyone that thinks Stanley didn't deserve to be benched that game is a moron. I keep seeing comments downplaying how bad Stanley was; a less than mediocre performance and we maybe win the game. Stanley was extremely bad.
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Stanley was obviously struggling. I can post his stats if needed. Why are some people be more loyal to keeping him in the game vs loyalty to the team and get him out?
He actually threw the ball better after he hurt his thumb. He said it didn't happen until the 4th qtr.
I think KFs overall refusal to replace the starting QB (for performance mainly) is a glaring weakness. KF does have loads of positives so don't get too defensive. But he also refused to pull a very beat up CJ Beathard in the bowl game vs. Florida in favor of Nate. He was very loyal to Jake C when Stanzi was in the wings. Just loves his QB come hell or high water. I think KF could have easily pointed to an injured throwing hand even if bad performance was the real reason to pull him. Mansell was the better choice to try. If he was a disaster, NS could come back in but he was off all day and it should have been clear to KF that it wasn't going to end well.
It was a tough situation. You have a started that is having his worst game in a while; plus he got injured. Did it effect his throwing and play; probably. Tough call as a coach but that is why they make the $$$. I personally think it would have been a good thing to get PM a series after Stanley got hurt and just see how he did.
Sometimes a guy just needs a wake up call.
I think this weekend could be interesting if Stanley continues to struggle. What will BF do? Or...what happens if Stanley continues to miss receivers but the run game is on point? Do they make a change knowing the running game will help ease in a rookie?
Could be a drama filled Saturday folks.
I think this weekend could be interesting if Stanley continues to struggle. What will BF do? Or...what happens if Stanley continues to miss receivers but the run game is on point? Do they make a change knowing the running game will help ease in a rookie?
Could be a drama filled Saturday folks.
I don’t know how good the backups will be but the 3 qb situations where Ferentz refused to play the backup all season when the starter was obviously worse resulted in a Heisman Trophy runner-up & 2 NFL qb’s were the backups on the bench.
Whew! That was a long sentence.
Whew! That was a long sentence.
Maybe, but watching that play was painful. There were several things going wrong there and poise was nowhere to be seen.
I would have benched him for 1-2 series. Whether it would give us a spark who knows. But that wouldn't be the point. It would be to just settle him down between the ears. To keep running him out there when he was that far off is the definition of insanity. Plus, his already shaky confidence in big road games was just eroding by each of the misfires. As much as McShay turned it into a personal vendetta cause he was so high on Stanley and gets paid to project kids, especially QB's, he was right. Those were middle school throws Stanley was missing horribly.
Agreed, my friend. That short crossing pattern on 3rd down late in the game that could have gone for big yardage and sailed about 3 feet over his head was the last straw for me. Kid needed a break, IMO, for reasons you mention.
WWDM - exactly. I'm not saying bench him for good or he sucks or whatever. But pull him and have guys like Hesse rally around him on the sideline and get his head clear and confidence up. He looked like the golfer trying to aim the ball into the fairway as opposed to swinging. And we saw the results.
If you don't think Kirk cares, you really have no clue.
Exactly. I like the analogy -- also like a pitcher trying to aim it in the strike zone instead of just trusting his motion and letting it fly. . . or a wrestler not pulling the trigger and not letting the fur fly.
Ironically, Stanley’s completion percentage went up drastically after the injury.
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Stanley's a great kid who obviously has some physical skills. But he has consistently shown a lack of poise in key situations in big games. That's not a quality any team--high school, college, or NFL--is looking for in a QB. Nate has thrown at least one jaw-dropping INT every game this year. Every time the opponent gets after him with a consistent pass rush, it clearly gets into his head. And failing to call time out when there was obvious confusion with first and goal at the three and the game on the line just cannot happen. Period.
KF likes to use baseball analogies. Well, when a great starting pitcher has a bad game going, you go to the bullpen. It happens to every great pitcher at times. There are games when you just don't have it. No decent manager is going to leave the starter in there even if he's a future Hall-of-Famer because, on that day, he's not getting it done. Stanley finished 18 of 49. That means he missed on 31 passes. I'm sorry, but that's not even close to getting it done.
So as many others have said, we're not calling for Stanley to lose his job, but we do expect the QB to be held to a fair standard of performance. KF owes it to his team that is trying to win a championship to go to the bullpen when his starter is having such a rough day. It's not even debatable. No one can seriously defend keeping any QB in there when they're playing like Iowa's starter did against PSU. You're simply trying to give your team the best chance to win that day.
Stanley has made many poor decisions all season long. He was shaky in big road games last year. A mechanical problem is much easier to fix than a mental one, and it seems clear that Nate needs an injection of poise and good judgment. KOK has his work cut out for him if he's going to get that job done.
I think the punter, Rastetter, has said his improvement this year was largely the result of working with the team's sports psychologist. I sincerely believe that if Stanley is going to realize his full potential, that's the help he needs. Whether there's enough time to turn things around before Saturday, I don't know, but it seems like giving the sports psychologist a try would be much more important going forward than anything else to help Nate be the best QB he can be. The key improvement he needs to make is between his ears.
But if he struggles again on Saturday, he needs to sit for awhile and give Mansell a shot. There should be no question about that.
KF likes to use baseball analogies. Well, when a great starting pitcher has a bad game going, you go to the bullpen. It happens to every great pitcher at times. There are games when you just don't have it. No decent manager is going to leave the starter in there even if he's a future Hall-of-Famer because, on that day, he's not getting it done. Stanley finished 18 of 49. That means he missed on 31 passes. I'm sorry, but that's not even close to getting it done.
So as many others have said, we're not calling for Stanley to lose his job, but we do expect the QB to be held to a fair standard of performance. KF owes it to his team that is trying to win a championship to go to the bullpen when his starter is having such a rough day. It's not even debatable. No one can seriously defend keeping any QB in there when they're playing like Iowa's starter did against PSU. You're simply trying to give your team the best chance to win that day.
Stanley has made many poor decisions all season long. He was shaky in big road games last year. A mechanical problem is much easier to fix than a mental one, and it seems clear that Nate needs an injection of poise and good judgment. KOK has his work cut out for him if he's going to get that job done.
I think the punter, Rastetter, has said his improvement this year was largely the result of working with the team's sports psychologist. I sincerely believe that if Stanley is going to realize his full potential, that's the help he needs. Whether there's enough time to turn things around before Saturday, I don't know, but it seems like giving the sports psychologist a try would be much more important going forward than anything else to help Nate be the best QB he can be. The key improvement he needs to make is between his ears.
But if he struggles again on Saturday, he needs to sit for awhile and give Mansell a shot. There should be no question about that.
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