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Scott Frost: Why his future is dim

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After watching his post game presser it dawned on me why he will never meet fan or his expectations.

He grew up in Nebraska. He's as delusional as the fans. He's one of them!!!!!

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And for those of you who don't come into frequent contact with Husker fans, let me explain what they're really like.

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HawkinK.C.1 said:
He also complained about guys dancing around on the sideline in game 4. How do you get to game 4 and not fix that if you're the head coach and don't want your players doing it? Definitely needs to look in the mirror on some of this stuff.
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Agree 100%. Overall, it's not like Nebraska has no talent on the roster. The Huskers should not be this bad. It's not like Kirk coming to Iowa in 1999 when the cupboard was bare. The discipline, the 'dancing' ... Sorry coach, that's on you. YOU are in charge.
 
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Rustys Dad said:
Agree 100%. Overall, it's not like Nebraska has no talent on the roster. The Huskers should not be this bad. It's not like Kirk coming to Iowa in 1999 when the cupboard was bare. The discipline, the 'dancing' ... Sorry coach, that's on you. YOU are in charge.
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Last 5 rivals recruiting rankings for NE as follows: Maybe there has been excessive attrition?


2018- 21
2017- 20
2016- 24
2015- 31
2014- 32
 
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Rustys Dad said:
Agree 100%. Overall, it's not like Nebraska has no talent on the roster. The Huskers should not be this bad. It's not like Kirk coming to Iowa in 1999 when the cupboard was bare. The discipline, the 'dancing' ... Sorry coach, that's on you. YOU are in charge.
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Nebraska the last 5 years has had by far the best recruiting classes on average in the West......there is really no excuse. Iowa and Wisconsin actually recruit similarly- not out to get "stars" but right fit, that leaves them open to criticism but has worked for the most part (obviously more for Wisconsin lately) but really like Iowa's roster and depth
 
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HemiHawk said:
Last 5 rivals recruiting rankings for NE as follows: Maybe there has been excessive attrition?


2018- 21
2017- 20
2016- 24
2015- 31
2014- 32
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By far better recruiting rankings than every team they have played thus far (minus Michigan) and by far better than west. thanks for posting this-too lazy myself to do it
 
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HemiHawk said:
Last 5 rivals recruiting rankings for NE as follows: Maybe there has been excessive attrition?


2018- 21
2017- 20
2016- 24
2015- 31
2014- 32
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Just did a quick look at their recruiting classes from 2014-2017. Keeping in mind that only red shirt seniors would remain from 2014. Here is what they had for 4 stars or above and top 10 according to Rivals recruiting ranking.

2014 - signed 4 and 2 remain. Didn't look at top 10 since most of these kids should be graduated
2015 - signed 6 4* and 5 remain. 9 of top 10 remain
2016 - signed 4 4* and 3 remain. 7 of top 10 remain
2017 - signed 7 4* and 3 remain. 6 of top 10 remain.

So in the 2015 and 2016 classes, which should be the bulk of the contributors, 16 of the top 20 signed athletes remain on the roster. There isn't a talent problem in Lincoln. And it looks like the 2017 class was partially lost due to the coaching change. And Keyshawn Jr.
Bare cupboard indeed.
 
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3boysmom said:
Just did a quick look at their recruiting classes from 2014-2017. Keeping in mind that only red shirt seniors would remain from 2014. Here is what they had for 4 stars or above and top 10 according to Rivals recruiting ranking.

2014 - signed 4 and 2 remain. Didn't look at top 10 since most of these kids should be graduated
2015 - signed 6 4* and 5 remain. 9 of top 10 remain
2016 - signed 4 4* and 3 remain. 7 of top 10 remain
2017 - signed 7 4* and 3 remain. 6 of top 10 remain.

So in the 2015 and 2016 classes, which should be the bulk of the contributors, 16 of the top 20 signed athletes remain on the roster. There isn't a talent problem in Lincoln. And it looks like the 2017 class was partially lost due to the coaching change. And Keyshawn Jr.
Bare cupboard indeed.
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Good stuff! Thanks!
 
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Aside from all the nonsense above, here's why Frost's future is "dim." The top of the mountain for Nebraska is going to be Iowa level success, maybe somewhere between Iowa/Wisconsin level. That's not going to be good enough for the Nebraska faithful.

However, I do think (and I realize we've seen no evidence to support this) that many fans will come around once Frost hits that 8-10 game win plateau and will finally admit to themselves that if Frost can't do it, nobody can. The landscape just isn't the same as it was in 1989.
 
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Nebraska has been higher in the recruiting rankings then us, but it seems like every other recruit they land is a WR. How many do they need? Maybe it was just me, but it with Riley it seemed like each week they would have another WR commit. I am sure they had a need for them, but they have been weak on the lines. So, what good is it to have several 4 * WR recruits if the QB doesn't have the time to throw to them? Now, where to start with there defense............:eek:
 
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Rustys Dad said:
Agree 100%. Overall, it's not like Nebraska has no talent on the roster. The Huskers should not be this bad. It's not like Kirk coming to Iowa in 1999 when the cupboard was bare. The discipline, the 'dancing' ... Sorry coach, that's on you. YOU are in charge.
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Yeah the average recruiting rankings of the current Nebraska roster is in the Top 25. I would love to have guys like Spielman, Morgan and some of the other guys on their roster playing for Iowa. And Nebraska is not a truly dreadful 0-4 if that makes sense. They are piling up yards on offense, but really falling short in areas of discipline. That is the area that would concern me if I were a Nebraska fan more than wins or losses. The offense, with that QB and with more recruiting classes, will score points. They will probably improve on defense. But things like how they act on the sidelines and getting 6+ personal foul penalties are directly controllable by the coach, now. Frost gets kudos from the Nebraska media and fan base for being passionate about his team being undisciplined and lamenting that. If I 'm a fan, I'm much more interested in my coach's ability to create a culture where that isn't permitted and doesn't happen. Acting upset after games when my team commits dumb penalties is fine, but great coaches spend more time figuring out how to get rid of that in practice than saying all the right things in the post-game PC. Guys don't just show up in games and be undisciplined. It's learned behavior in practice. We Iowa fans know this from watching the dreadful performance on defense by the basketball team last year. What happens in games is generally a result of what players are allowed to get away with in practice, regardless of sport.

My guess is that further roster attrition will occur with Nebraska as Frost jettisons the guys who won't buy in. They still have enough talent to win 4 or 5 of their remaining games. If the last half of the season we see the Huskers start to play disciplined football regardless of outcome, that would be a harbinger of good things to come for them. More so than better recruits or upsetting a favored team.
 
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HawkinK.C.1 said:
He also complained about guys dancing around on the sideline in game 4. How do you get to game 4 and not fix that if you're the head coach and don't want your players doing it? Definitely needs to look in the mirror on some of this stuff.
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The way I understand it, it was one guy, who was finally pulled after 3.5 games of underperforming, one of Riley's 5.9 4-star players out of Cali who was known to say he was on the "3-year plan" at Nebraska.
It is a difficult balance to strike, between playing the best player and the player who is committed to the system but is not as ready to play. When you take on a shaky culture with all sorts of weird loyalties, managing it sometimes has no right answers.
Frost dropped him on the two-deep this week, and the player is no longer the starter.
 
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The way I understand it, it was one guy, who was finally pulled after 3.5 games of underperforming, one of Riley's 5.9 4-star players out of Cali who was known to say he was on the "3-year plan" at Nebraska.
It is a difficult balance to strike, between playing the best player and the player who is committed to the system but is not as ready to play. When you take on a shaky culture with all sorts of weird loyalties, managing it sometimes has no right answers.
Frost dropped him on the two-deep this week, and the player is no longer the starter.
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There was like 20 guys or so on the sideline whooping it up as they got curb stomped. Again. 4 games is a third of the season. If it were my coach, I would have wanted him to handle it before game 4.
 
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DodgerHawki said:
Yeah the average recruiting rankings of the current Nebraska roster is in the Top 25. I would love to have guys like Spielman, Morgan and some of the other guys on their roster playing for Iowa. And Nebraska is not a truly dreadful 0-4 if that makes sense. They are piling up yards on offense, but really falling short in areas of discipline. That is the area that would concern me if I were a Nebraska fan more than wins or losses. The offense, with that QB and with more recruiting classes, will score points. They will probably improve on defense. But things like how they act on the sidelines and getting 6+ personal foul penalties are directly controllable by the coach, now. Frost gets kudos from the Nebraska media and fan base for being passionate about his team being undisciplined and lamenting that. If I 'm a fan, I'm much more interested in my coach's ability to create a culture where that isn't permitted and doesn't happen. Acting upset after games when my team commits dumb penalties is fine, but great coaches spend more time figuring out how to get rid of that in practice than saying all the right things in the post-game PC. Guys don't just show up in games and be undisciplined. It's learned behavior in practice. We Iowa fans know this from watching the dreadful performance on defense by the basketball team last year. What happens in games is generally a result of what players are allowed to get away with in practice, regardless of sport.

My guess is that further roster attrition will occur with Nebraska as Frost jettisons the guys who won't buy in. They still have enough talent to win 4 or 5 of their remaining games. If the last half of the season we see the Huskers start to play disciplined football regardless of outcome, that would be a harbinger of good things to come for them. More so than better recruits or upsetting a favored team.
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Can you elaborate where you say that personal fouls are "directly controllable" by the head coach.

You can emphasize, punish, etc so much. These aren't physical mistakes, they are frustration and mental mistakes.

The offense is the only team to put up 500 yards of offense and lose...twice. I think they'll be alright. I don't think we will play another defense like Michigan's where they completely overwhelm our offensive line. Martinez will continue to get better, but will also still make true freshman decisions at times.

It will be interesting to see how Chinander adjusts to 22 personal this weekend. If he shows similar to what he did vs Michigan, then I would expect the results to be similar as well in terms of not stopping the run. Same goes forward with other offenses that put 22 personal on the field.

Of the remaining games, I think the following are possible wins with only two of these being probable:
Northwestern
Minnesota
Bethune-Cookman
Illinois

Improbable:
MSU
Iowa

Not a snowball's chance in hell:
Wisconsin
OSU

Is there a path to four or five wins? Yeah, I guess so, but the most important thing is that the kids continue to play hard and clean up mistakes. If we stop with the really dumb stuff, at least it gives us a chance. After watching the Michigan game, I could not believe how many dumb things individual players did that made a meaningful impact on how the first half went. Have to play perfect against those teams, and they were far from it.
 
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ThrowBones92 said:
Can you elaborate where you say that personal fouls are "directly controllable" by the head coach.

You can emphasize, punish, etc so much. These aren't physical mistakes, they are frustration and mental mistakes.

The offense is the only team to put up 500 yards of offense and lose...twice. I think they'll be alright. I don't think we will play another defense like Michigan's where they completely overwhelm our offensive line. Martinez will continue to get better, but will also still make true freshman decisions at times.

It will be interesting to see how Chinander adjusts to 22 personal this weekend. If he shows similar to what he did vs Michigan, then I would expect the results to be similar as well in terms of not stopping the run. Same goes forward with other offenses that put 22 personal on the field.

Of the remaining games, I think the following are possible wins with only two of these being probable:
Northwestern
Minnesota
Bethune-Cookman
Illinois

Improbable:
MSU
Iowa

Not a snowball's chance in hell:
Wisconsin
OSU

Is there a path to four or five wins? Yeah, I guess so, but the most important thing is that the kids continue to play hard and clean up mistakes. If we stop with the really dumb stuff, at least it gives us a chance. After watching the Michigan game, I could not believe how many dumb things individual players did that made a meaningful impact on how the first half went. Have to play perfect against those teams, and they were far from it.
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Bethune-Cookman is only probably. TOO FUNNY
 
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Can you elaborate where you say that personal fouls are "directly controllable" by the head coach.

You can emphasize, punish, etc so much. These aren't physical mistakes, they are frustration and mental mistakes.
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I’m interested in hearing your thoughts regarding Frost’s success in team discipline at UCF, where he finished 105th and 127th in FBS in penalties, and if you think he’ll be able to achieve a similar level of success in Lincoln.
 
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3boysmom said:
@ThrowBones92 or @UncleChesterton
You both seem pretty reasonable. I just got the breaking news email from the World Herald that Tyjon Lindsey is transferring. Was this expected? Is he one of the guys rumored to be a problem? Just curious
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He's been one name that has appeared repeatedly about not buying in to this new staff. And the time he saw on the field last year and this year did not come close to expectations.

Lindsey was part of Riley's 2017 class that had seven four-star players. Of those seven, five have already either left the program or never made it to Lincoln in the first place.
 
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He's been one name that has appeared repeatedly about not buying in to this new staff. And the time he saw on the field last year and this year did not come close to expectations.

Lindsey was part of Riley's 2017 class that had seven four-star players. Of those seven, five have already either left the program or never made it to Lincoln in the first place.
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I thought he was part of that class. It’s certainly taken a hit. The rest of the classes seem to have fared pretty well but that one has been obliterated
 
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I thought he was part of that class. It’s certainly taken a hit. The rest of the classes seem to have fared pretty well but that one has been obliterated
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The top eight commits from the 2017 class:

Tyjon Lindsey (gone)
Avery Roberts (gone)
Elijah Blades (never made it to campus)
Tristan Gebbia (gone)
Jaevon McQuitty (injured)
Keyshawn Johnson Jr. (gone)
Brenden Jaimes (starter)
Deiontae Watts (never made it to campus)
 
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