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SCOTUS striking down Roe v Wade?

Again, your entire argument is based on the idea that reimbursement rates can't be changed. They can.

Do you know how many less people would have to be employed in healthcare if healthcare systems didn't have to deal with private insurance companies? Shit I bet we'd save close to that 30% right there.

Well, what if some reimbursement rates were 30% less? That seems possible.

The private health insurance companies also employ about a mllion people, so they would lose jobs under universal health care.

You don't think reimbursement rates to doctors and hospitals would go way down if private health insurance was abolished?
 
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The private health insurance companies also employ about a mllion people, so they would lose jobs under universal health care.
I keep hearing people complaining about all of these unfilled jobs that are available. Kimmie keeps pushing to reduce weeks of unemployment to fill these positions because “nObUdEe WaNtZ tO wUrK”

sounds like a win/win to me
 
OK, thanks. Two of the doctors were Republican, I'm not sure about the other three.

What do you think would happen if doctors and hospitals under universal health care made 30% less than they do now?

What are the odds of that happening?

Where are you getting these numbers that they are suddenly going to make 30% less.

Hospitals in nations with universal healthcare seem to be doing fine.

Germany has more hospital capacity per capita than the United States last I checked.

Hospital beds per 1000 people

Germany: 8, USA: 2.9


ICU beds per 100,000

Germany 33.9
USA 25.8


For the record you can have universal healthcare without single payer healthcare. Germany has universal healthcare but it's not single payer. I strongly advocate for their system. By every single number I can find it is better than ours. I challenge you to find me an important healthcare statistic that we do better in than Germany.

Physicians per 1000 people. Germany 4.3, US 2.6


Wait times

Share of people who don't get an answer from a PCP on the same day. US 28% Germany 13%
Share of people waiting more than 1 month for Specialist appt. US 27%, Germany 25%


I was disappointed this study didn't have the USA or Germany measured in wait times for elective surgeries.

Maternal Mortality rates

US: 17.4 per 100,000
Germany: 3.2 per 100,000


LIfe expectancy

Germany: F: 84.14, M: 79.62
USA: F: 81.65, M: 76.61


We have the answer to healthcare in this country and it's Germany.
 
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Where are you getting these numbers that they are suddenly going to make 30% less.

Hospitals in nations with universal healthcare seem to be doing fine.

Germany has more hospital capacity per capita than the United States last I checked.

For the record you can have universal healthcare without single payer healthcare. Germany has universal healthcare but it's not single payer. I strongly advocate for their system. By every single number I can find it is better than ours. I challenge you to find me an important healthcare statistic that we do better in than Germany.


The 30% less is an estimate based on current reimbursement rates from Medicare and Medicaid.

Private health insurance reimburses more.

Doctors in Germany make like 40% less than doctors in America plus they don't have a massive obesity problem like America does.

 
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The 30% less is an estimate based on current reimbursement rates from Medicare and Medicaid.

Private health insurance reimburses more.

Doctors in Germany make like 40% less than doctors in America plus they don't have a massive obesity problem like America does.

With all the beer and sausage they consume, you’d think they might!

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The 30% less is an estimate based on current reimbursement rates from Medicare and Medicaid.

Private health insurance reimburses more.

Doctors in Germany make like 40% less than doctors in America plus they don't have a massive obesity problem like America does.


SO WHAT!!! THEY HAVE MORE DOCTORS PER 1,000 PEOPLE THEN WE DO.

Med school it appears is free there.

Why should we brag because our doctors make more money when they you know actually have more doctors.

And Obesity rates would only really affect the mortality side of the equation. Doesn't explain whey they have more doctors, more hospital beds and more ICU beds than we do on a per person basis.
 
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SO WHAT!!! THEY HAVE MORE DOCTORS PER 1,000 PEOPLE THEN WE DO.

Maybe Med school isn't as expensive there. . .

Why should we brag because our doctors make more money when they you know actually have more doctors.

And Obesity rates would only really affect the mortality side of the equation. Doesn't explain whey they have more doctors, more hospital beds and more ICU beds than we do on a per person basis.
Because of the high percentage of Europeans who still smoke and need those facilities?
Because the Germans don’t pay their NATO dues and have the Americans fund their defense so they can funnel more $$$ to “free” health care?
 
SO WHAT!!! THEY HAVE MORE DOCTORS PER 1,000 PEOPLE THEN WE DO.

Maybe Med school isn't as expensive there. . .

Why should we brag because our doctors make more money when they you know actually have more doctors.

And Obesity rates would only really affect the mortality side of the equation. Doesn't explain whey they have more doctors, more hospital beds and more ICU beds than we do on a per person basis.

Med school probably isn't as expensive there. But, it is here. Doctors have lots of med school debt here. The need to be able to pay it off.

Pay doctors less and see them leave the occupation.

Obesity leads to lots of hospitalizations. Look at covid the past 2 years.

 
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Because of the high percentage of Europeans who still smoke and need those facilities?
Because the Germans don’t pay their NATO dues and have the Americans fund their defense so they can funnel more $$$ to “free” health care?

Germany is going to increase their military spending to the 2% target and they are not getting rid of free healthcare.

And we spend like 3.4 percent. So maybe if we lowered ours down to 2 as well.

Unless we like going on lots of international ventures, we quite frankly don't need to have a big standing army. The we should only be concerned if we have the capacity to convert manufacturing to support a large army if we need to go to war.

We didn't have a big standing army before World War 2 and we did just fine.

Besides it's unlikely that there will ever be a real threat to the US from a conventional military ever again. Any country that's big enough to do any damage to us will likely fire off nukes at us rather than try to invade us.
 
Med school probably isn't as expensive there. But, it is here. Doctors have lots of med school debt here. The need to be able to pay it off.

Pay doctors less and see them leave the occupation.

Obesity leads to lots of hospitalizations. Look at covid the past 2 years.

There’s already a Doctor shortage in the US.
 
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There’s already a Doctor shortage in the US.

Yeah maybe we should institute free med school.

Listen doctors make a bunch of money we get that. But med school is freaking expensive.

Many people might not even try because they are afraid of the risk. I think a lot of people have taken on jobs that they just realized they arn't cut out for. Well if you go to med school and find out between enrolling and the end of your residency that you arn't cut out to be a doctor then your life is financially over. It's a pretty big risk to take and a good reason for a lot of people to not even try.

This is something I've thought about with my daughter. She's 7 and wants to be a doctor which I would want that for her. But in the back of my mind I am also thinking that if gets into med school and realizes that she can't do it for some reason or another, her life is financially over. If she gets a regular paying job after that she could work til she's 80 and never pay that debt off.

She could make a great doctor or she could be financially screwed for life. It's not something we would know until she tries. . . But she may get older, recognize the risks and decide not to try because the risk of failure is too great.
 
Will Rs want to leave the fence up around the Supreme Court for as long as the Ds wanted to leave it up around the Capital building?
 
Med school probably isn't as expensive there. But, it is here. Doctors have lots of med school debt here. The need to be able to pay it off.

Pay doctors less and see them leave the occupation.

Obesity leads to lots of hospitalizations. Look at covid the past 2 years.


Then pay off their med school debt.
 
Well, what if some reimbursement rates were 30% less? That seems possible.

The private health insurance companies also employ about a mllion people, so they would lose jobs under universal health care.

You don't think reimbursement rates to doctors and hospitals would go way down if private health insurance was abolished?
What if they make them 200% higher and more awesomer? Because they could.

Who cares? Find something else to do. They're a scourge on society.

See above.
 
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Yep. Then you have DeSantis running his mouth yesterday about women getting abortions the day before the baby is to be born...which is just so misleading and BS. If that happens it's to protect the life of the mother. Women do not walk into abortion clinics at 8 months pregnant saying they changed their mind.

"Pro-life" people try to make us think otherwise. It's more Republican nonsense.

The whole abortion issue sucks.

Abortion is killing, which sucks and unwanted children are put in bad situations.

It's all sad.
 
So the youngest baby ever born was like 19 week. So it is scientifically proven that a baby can live outside the womb. Why can’t we just make that the cutoff for abortions since we actually proved that is technically when life starts? Then if there is another miracle baby then we can update the law as we go.

I, BrunoMars420, propose abortions can happen up to 19 weeks with the option to move it lower dependent on a baby living outside the womb. #WinWin
 

Sounds like a Federal Law on the books says protesting at the Judges residence is illegal.
I don't disagree with this at all.

The key would be in the "intent" part of the law. That leaves a lot of wiggle room.

Also in a self admitted bit of WHATABOUTERY, one would think there is something on the books like this that should have covered 1/6 insurrection.
 

Sounds like a Federal Law on the books says protesting at the Judges residence is illegal.
I suspect this statute (passed during the civil rights protests) wouldn't pass constitutional muster. What is "near" a residence. People have a 1A right protest, but that needs to balanced against the rights of the justice. The recent abortion clinic protest cases would indicate a short buffer zone would be allowed.
 
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I don't disagree with this at all.

The key would be in the "intent" part of the law. That leaves a lot of wiggle room.

Also in a self admitted bit of WHATABOUTERY, one would think there is something on the books like this that should have covered 1/6 insurrection.
Absolutely agree about 1/6. But as to the law above, "intent" seems pretty straight forward to me. These protesters, and those that are organizing them do have an intent to get the Justices to rethink their alleged opinion on Roe v Wade.

To me, they are violating this law. And, as I have said all along, protest outside their place of work, not at their homes. Although, the law seems to address the business location as well.
 
Absolutely agree about 1/6. But as to the law above, "intent" seems pretty straight forward to me. These protesters, and those that are organizing them do have an intent to get the Justices to rethink their alleged opinion on Roe v Wade.

To me, they are violating this law. And, as I have said all along, protest outside their place of work, not at their homes. Although, the law seems to address the business location as well.
Well, any protest is meant to get someone to rethink their position, so I think it’s more whether it rises to intimidation imo.

I agree that protesting outside their home is stupid and if nothing else, undermines what they’re trying to accomplish. People will respect protesting outside an office. Protesting outside their home is something else entirely.
 
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Absolutely agree about 1/6. But as to the law above, "intent" seems pretty straight forward to me. These protesters, and those that are organizing them do have an intent to get the Justices to rethink their alleged opinion on Roe v Wade.
...and what do you think the "intent" was in terrorizing abortion providers and their families?
They actually had bricks and bullets go through their windows as part of the "free speech".
 
Absolutely agree about 1/6. But as to the law above, "intent" seems pretty straight forward to me. These protesters, and those that are organizing them do have an intent to get the Justices to rethink their alleged opinion on Roe v Wade.

To me, they are violating this law. And, as I have said all along, protest outside their place of work, not at their homes. Although, the law seems to address the business location as well.
It could be extended to anything the justices might see as being illegal protest if you want to go that far. I also think the protests at residences are dumb and counterproductive. Moving or arresting protesters would be doing them a favor.
 
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