UPDATE: Judge Delares Mistrial in Case of Self Defense or 2nd Degree Murder
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I agree with everything said except a warning shot. On paper a warning shot sounds good but in reality a warning shot should never be fired.
It will be interesting to see his answer to "Why did you grab your gun?"
Did he fear for his safety? Why? What did the deceased and his friend say and do to make Weiss fear for his safety?
He can answer simple questions...just not honestly. He already knows he's wrong. He's trolling now to see how long he can keep you arguing with him. Give it up.
who will the jury believe?
it will be interesting to see when the witness arrived, how long she was there, and what she saw and what she heard;
otherwise, it comes down to Weiss and the deceased's friend and who appears to be more credible.
He can troll me by putting his money where his mouth is.
He'd never pay up. Like I said, he knows he's wrong. He'd make the bet to string you along then say, "awww, I was just messing with you" if he lost. But I'd never bet on a jury...especially in cases like this.
OK, I'm on the jury and my mind has been changed.
For the first time ever, I agree with @tarheelbybirth.
Weiss went to his car, grabbed his loaded handgun and then returned to the situation. He wasn't under threat of severe bodily harm when he shot an unarmed man.
Weiss chose to get his gun and shoot an unarmed man that wasn't pummeling him or anything. Weiss is guilty.
Another reason I know Weiss is guilty is because @TheTradition believes he's innocent and @TheTradition is literally wrong about everything all the time.
For the first time ever, I agree with @tarheelbybirth.
Weiss went to his car, grabbed his loaded handgun and then returned to the situation. He wasn't under threat of severe bodily harm when he shot an unarmed man.
Weiss chose to get his gun and shoot an unarmed man that wasn't pummeling him or anything. Weiss is guilty.
Another reason I know Weiss is guilty is because @TheTradition believes he's innocent and @TheTradition is literally wrong about everything all the time.
"A driver who was passing by the scene at the time of the confrontation said she didn’t see Rahim raise a fist, advance or assault Weiss before he was shot."
you are some anonymous poster and you want me to bet you and then count on you paying up? that seems illogical
Because a man was angry with a confrontation that he felt he was at a disadvantage in so he went and grabbed his gun to turn the tide to his advantage. He then initiated a confrontation and shot an unarmed man.
I can personally vouch for @ScoutRefugee paying his bets.
I pummeled him in a bet a few months ago, and he paid up via PayPal within a week.
Unfortunately, none of that means a jury will convict him. And it's possible there are facts that are still unknown. But on the face of it and by his own testimony to the police it certainly seems he had the opportunity to get in his car and call the police and chose instead to arm himself and then threaten the other men. By his own admission, he escalated the situation.
Just name the amount. If nothing else, I can point out that the judge/jury agreed with my logic, rather than yours. I'd be shocked if he didn't take a plea deal.
Wrong about what?
I just don't think this is a cut and dry case.
I can easily see how a defense attorney could make a case that this was a 2 on 1 situation, there was retreat (which the law requires for self defense) and there was self defense.
The only thing that could change that is we don't know what happened between when the deceased grabbed for the gun and when Weiss stepped back and told the deceased to "stop."
The problem that you fail to see here is that IT DOESN'T MATTER IF OR WHY he feared for his safety. I fully believe he did.
The point is that once he got to his vehicle, HE WAS SAFE. He had the barrier of his locked doors and a gun in his possession. By exiting the vehicle, he put himself into harms way. He made a choice to pursue an altercation at that point and it is the reason it's murder.
The gun was in his pocket. Didn't you read the article?
Just channeling Franisdamoran for you.
In most situations, I'd agree with you and even in this situation, it would be questionable. The difference in this situation is that the alleged assailant supposedly did not believe the gun was real. So you fire a warning shot to prove the weapon's validity and it stops the assailant in his tracks. I understand, though, that by doing this you provide the chance for another party to shoot you when you take your aim off the target and fire.
Having said that, Weiss shouldn't have even been standing there with the weapon in the first place. He should have never exited the vehicle.
Did he ever really leave and come back from the situation? Remember that the deceased backed into Weiss' car; the cars may not have moved (its not clear).
I see a hung jury on this case. It was 2 on 1, the 2 threatened to beat Weiss up. The deceased was aggressive towards Weiss. It could easily be argued that Weiss retreated from an aggressive confrontation, meeting the definition of what would be self defense. All Weiss needs is a good attorney and this is a hung jury or an acquittal.
I mean if it comes out that the gun was shoved up his ass, I'll agree he's innocent. Let's recap: Gun in pocket=guilty as hell. Gun in butthole=Not guilty!
I don't think Weiss should get life in prison, considering he's 25 years old. That would mean he gets 60 years or so. This seems more like a bad manslaughter case.
I'd probably give him 20 years, and he's out in 12 or 15.
JMHO.
Nobody who knows guns would fire a warning shot. It's just not done. The bullet could ricochet if you fire into the street and firing into the air is no better. There's no telling where a bullet might end up.
Getting into a vehicle and then getting back out with a weapon is leaving an altercation and then re-initiating. You are being purposely obtuse at this point.
its not clear how long she stuck around
did she literally pass by or did she stop and hear/see what went down?
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