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This is for the real Iowa wrestling fans.
Would we ever be happy? If brands won would we not, because of history, not be talking "we better win next year"?
If brands would listen to one suggestion from you and only one, what would you tell him to do to improve the team?
Just one thing.

For me, I would suggest putting laser focus on building strength.

Just one thing.
 
Originally posted by 255:
This is for the real Iowa wrestling fans.
Would we ever be happy? If brands won would we not, because of history, not be talking "we better win next year"?
If brands would listen to one suggestion from you and only one, what would you tell him to do to improve the team?
Just one thing.

For me, I would suggest putting laser focus on building strength.

Just one thing.
I remember seeing an interview with Telford his Frosh year where he said Brands didn't want him lifting weights. It didn't make sense at the time because he was having trouble holding onto legs like Uncle Luke had the same problem for awhile. Telford still looks like his arms could use some more definition and strength.

If we won, yes we would be happy and many would HOPE we could do it next year also. I think many are becoming more realistic and realizing Dynasty is not a vocabulary word that can use around here anymore or anywhere for that matter. Lots of competition and parity.
 
I make this very clear: I am not calling for the heads of any assistants. I have no idea if any need to go or not. However, if a coaching change is made then we need to recruit an assistant with the following priorities:

1. Master technician
2 Someone outside the Iowa coaching tree (Okie State, Minny, Cornell, PSU)
 
I don't think the coaching, teaching technique, or assistants are probably all that broken.

So I would go with . . .

Get the superstuds (like Lee and Hall) even if it means giving full schollys.


This post was edited on 3/22 9:00 PM by Jackhawk87
 
Originally posted by Jackhawk87:
I don't think the coaching, teaching technique, or assistants are probably all that broken.

So I would go with . . .

Get the superstuds (like Lee and Hall) even if it means giving full schollys.


This post was edited on 3/22 9:00 PM by Jackhawk87
That is my close #2, but we can only pick one. I think the limitations in offense could be overcome with more shot variations and a wider range of attacks. We are a little inbred for my liking.

BTW 255 the internet is serious business.



This post was edited on 3/22 9:05 PM by Urohawk
 
Easy...

1. We're right there in the thick of things

2. We need horses...put the money behind a Hall, Lee and Suriano

3. I believe we have horses already committed too Marnelli, Kemerer JRentria and Mejia
 
I don't know crap compared to most of you, but I would tell Tom to inform his guys that anyone who isn't trying to score, with actual shots, for the entire seven minutes will find himself replaced in the lineup, regardless of talent. And I mean every single time they step on the mat. Don't just talk about being more aggressive, make them be more aggressive.
 
Everybody has taken the ones that were high on my list, so i'll go with something a little different.

Creating Angles - We push, push, push. Guys like Ramos, Metcalf, McD pushed also, but man did the pull, pull, pull on the head. Push and pull, create angles. Heavy on the head used to be a saying you heard all the time. I didn't really hear that this year. We complain about stalling (not disagreeing), but that never stopped Metcalf. If the guy just takes being pushed, pull him and hit a duck under, a single, a double, whatever. If someone is trying to stall, pushing harder doesn't help. Push, pull, change the angle, hit a shot, reshot if nothing there, etc. The Brands get put into a corner by saying they were just goers. Watch some old video and they would shot a single, not get it, on the way back up, hit a duck under. No go, snap the guys head through the mat and try to spin around. Still nothing, hit a double as the guy is pulling his head off the mat. Sequence of shots in rapid succession.

Dominant Riding (sorry, guess this is #2) - Of all the guys in the finals, the only ones I would say that were not considered very good or better riders, meaning they could score off of riding were IMAR (he may be good, I just see him as so dominate on his feet I probably forgot), Brown (although he could ride, not a turning machine if I recall), Snyder and Coon. I didn't see all of these guys matches so I could have missed some, but think of the guys that were in the finals.

Tomasello and Moisey - Both rode and turned during the tournament
Clark and Brewer - Yep
Stieber/Port - Two of the best
Houndshelt/Habat - Good - Habat had some of the Port/Schopp in him
Realbuto - Could roll with Ness, enough said
Dearinger/Walsh - Um, yes
Wilps - Honestly don't know
Dean/Brown- Yes
Gadsen - Yes
Gwiz - As good and active HWT on top as I've seen in awhile

Being comfortable in a crab ride, throwing the legs in, cheap tilts, etc. Would love to see us improve there.

I'll stop
 
To answer the question: I believe Hawk Fans can be happy for a maximum of 12 hours. If Iowa wins the NC, then, I would plan for 12 hours of happiness maybe 24 hours before they start worrying about defending.

Look back at this season, Iowa beat MN and I went to both boards. Iowa Board= "We're not good enough, we've got to improve" and Minny Board= "we'll be fine, guys will come through" (I know that it didn't happen for MN). But my point is you would have thought Iowa lost after reading the boards after the dual.

It reminds me of the story they tell about asking Former Cardinals manager, Tony LaRussa, "How's it going?" before the game and he would answer, "I'll know in four hours". LaRussa invested so much of his happiness to every single baseball game that he was difficult to be around (in fact, he left his wife in CA so he could be married to baseball for 7 months a year and yes, Cub Fans, baseball can be played in October).

Anyway, one thing...I'd like to see Jeva teach everyone on the team the cheap tilts he used against Dardanes on Saturday AM to win 18-4. That was ridiculous.
 
To the riding point above, getting out from underneath killed us all year. This wouldn't be at the top of my wish list but having a sense of urgency would, so it fits.
 
TBH not much at all. Aka no big or drastic improvements are needed imo. A certain 2-3 matches we win and the gap is overcomed or lowered to low single digits.

But to the point of improvement, stop teaching tri-pod stand ups. I can not stress how frustrating it is to see IA wrestlers do this over and over every year. Why GIVE away time needed for corrections and/or adjustments? First reactions and explosive movements should be the focus of bottom coaching next year. It's the major reason why Gilliman was rode like a mule by Waters at national duals. The reason he choose to give up 1 point this weekend against Waters
 
Stop the straight on, head-down, below the knee shots. Most of them do it and it usually results in a roll around, time wasting stalemate. Or a cradle.

This post was edited on 3/23 11:25 PM by Jar-hawk
 
Originally posted by Jackhawk87:
I don't think the coaching, teaching technique, or assistants are probably all that broken.

So I would go with . . .

Get the superstuds (like Lee and Hall) even if it means giving full schollys.


This post was edited on 3/22 9:00 PM by Jackhawk87
I'll go with Jackhawk on this one. I think we need to spend more schollies on the true blue chippers that are great athletes.

We're always talking about how great our coaches are at developing kids. Shouldn't it make sense that if that is the case we can afford to spend more money on a few "blue chippers" and develop the "lesser" kids or "under the radar" kids as supporting cast members?
 
Originally posted by 255:
This is for the real Iowa wrestling fans.
Would we ever be happy? If brands won would we not, because of history, not be talking "we better win next year"?
If brands would listen to one suggestion from you and only one, what would you tell him to do to improve the team?
Just one thing.

For me, I would suggest putting laser focus on building strength.

Just one thing.
I never did like the word, "WE". I don't know if I have ever met a real Hawk fan in regards to wrestling except for myself. I hope if I was to suggest to Tom Brands what I would like to see happen the results would be the same results if I was to suggest to my wife that she should put more spice on her fried chicken. My wife would glare at me and then tell me to get lost and mind my own business or she would hand me her apron and say, you do it since you think your so much smarter than me. I'm not trying to get anyone pissed off but there is a difference between a, fan, fair weather fan, and real fan. I like your posts 255 but this is just what I think.
 
We look smaller than a lot of the other teams, especially tOSU, but how to get stronger with no weight gain..?? Are the other teams getting rid of spare kidneys or what...??
 
Steel. All fair thoughts. I know we got off on the wrong foot but I like your candor.
I am not a fair weather fan and I agree. If I were to try and give tom advice I think he would look at me and say "that's cute".
I was just trying to find a more positive way to channel the frustration.

Personally, a year ago I decidd to just judge the Hawks and tom on their own current merit. Not through the eyes of history.
I like tom a lot and don't want the Hawks to change into another run of the mill elite program. I think they will get in the right groove and rock.
I really think all we are missing is power but that's opinion is worth what you pay for it. (Power brings confidence and confidence brings offense)
 
I cannot imagine that bringing Jay Borschel in would be a poor decision.

Aggressive, old school, and a big guy for the upper weights to relate to.

Just saying. Or Perry.

Then again, look how Adam Coon has benefitted from having Kyle Massey to work out with!



This post was edited on 3/25 10:19 AM by sweatybetty
 
Sorry, have to give you 2. Get tougher guys!!!!! First time I saw Martinez, knew Ness couldn't stop him.
Get tougher coaches. Morningstar and Lofthouse, neither has taken a shot since the 90's. You wrestle like you're coached.
 
Re Final Drive. Finally, someone else said it. Agree wholeheartedly.

This post was edited on 3/25 11:05 AM by dhm47
 
Poor mindset at start of matches. Seems like the concept is to wake up during the match instead of ready to "go" right now (Gilman semis, Telford 1st match, Clack first 2/3 of season, Sorensen first periods, Evans hardly any 1st period take-downs, Moore waiting around) Match preparation for starts was horrible.
 
Originally posted by Vallholl:
To answer the question: I believe Hawk Fans can be happy for a maximum of 12 hours. If Iowa wins the NC, then, I would plan for 12 hours of happiness maybe 24 hours before they start worrying about defending.

Look back at this season, Iowa beat MN and I went to both boards. Iowa Board= "We're not good enough, we've got to improve" and Minny Board= "we'll be fine, guys will come through" (I know that it didn't happen for MN). But my point is you would have thought Iowa lost after reading the boards after the dual.
As far as the Minny meet goes, fans were concerned that we did not wrestle well and did not look like a NC team. Those fans were correct.

I think most of us would be happy for 2 or 3 years if Iowa won a NC. Then we'd start getting anxious for another.
 
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