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What is a knife designed to do? I can pick up any knife in my drawer at home and gravely injure someone with it, and it doesn't help me clean my driveway or change the channel on my tv.

Since you can't seem to understand that I was just throwing out random examples I guess I need to clarify that I wasn't implying a knife could do those things. Then again, you're the one who brought up a knife in the first place so there's a reason I didn't mention it.

As for what I can do with a knife, I can cut my food, cut wood, a tool for crafting, I can think of dozens of non-violent ways two use a knife.
 
There you have it and I am done complaining. Our country accepts massacres. I mean, at least quit giving lip service that you care. Thats so patronizing. You get your guns. Good for you.

Don't mean to be intrusive on your argument with someone else, but have we considered even CONSIDERING why two recent mass shooters happened to be 64 and 66 and otherwise lived a life not so different from others?

I mean, the guy from Illinois that shot Republican's playing baseball? His Facebook was shut down within hours of the shooting. Don't we want to know WHY these guys decided shooting people was ok?

There, to me, is the solution. Not just calling people Mentally Ill after the fact as if anyone could have predicted it based on their lives....and then calling for gun control when there are already more weapons than people in the country.
 
lol, again, argumentative. Guns are not designed "to wound."

Argumentative is right, because banning guns isn't going to solve the problem that we have in this country, or any other country that has senseless shootings like this. I'm not sure what the answer is, and in fact, no one knows what the answer is. It's a real problem, we all understand that, but just because you ban something, doesn't mean it's a cure-all. Drugs are illegal, speeding is illegal, texting and driving is illegal. Guess what, individuals still take part in all of those as well. Not to mention that someone on this board already said that he wouldn't turn over his guns if it was mandated, and he isn't a right-winger at all. If the citizens of this country to partake in a "gun giveback" if the country bans guns, how is it going to change anything? People are still going to go off the deep-end and kill, people are still going to want to be made famous for heinous acts and kill people - banning guns isn't going to change a thing.
 
Since you can't seem to understand that I was just throwing out random examples I guess I need to clarify that I wasn't implying a knife could do those things. Then again, you're the one who brought up a knife in the first place so there's a reason I didn't mention it.

As for what I can do with a knife, I can cut my food, cut wood, a tool for crafting, I can think of dozens of non-violent ways two use a knife.

If I have enough bullets, I can cut down a tree with a gun too. :)
Target shooting isn't violent, sporting clays or trap shooting isn't violent.
 
Don't mean to be intrusive on your argument with someone else, but have we considered even CONSIDERING why two recent mass shooters happened to be 64 and 66 and otherwise lived a life not so different from others?

I mean, the guy from Illinois that shot Republican's playing baseball? His Facebook was shut down within hours of the shooting. Don't we want to know WHY these guys decided shooting people was ok?

There, to me, is the solution. Not just calling people Mentally Ill after the fact as if anyone could have predicted it based on their lives....and then calling for gun control when there are already more weapons than people in the country.

I am numb to it. I wont live my life in fear of a shooter, but its just part of life and it isn't going to end. Mental Health....blah blah blah...
 
lol. Please, tell me again how the country was "driven into the ground" the last 8 years.
Do you see where we are today? Today didn't happen in 8mths... I know you wish it were true so your savior and messiah wouldn't have tarnish on his legacy.

Can't show a blind person what they don't want to see.
 
Argumentative is right, because banning guns isn't going to solve the problem that we have in this country, or any other country that has senseless shootings like this. I'm not sure what the answer is, and in fact, no one knows what the answer is. It's a real problem, we all understand that, but just because you ban something, doesn't mean it's a cure-all. Drugs are illegal, speeding is illegal, texting and driving is illegal. Guess what, individuals still take part in all of those as well. Not to mention that someone on this board already said that he wouldn't turn over his guns if it was mandated, and he isn't a right-winger at all. If the citizens of this country to partake in a "gun giveback" if the country bans guns, how is it going to change anything? People are still going to go off the deep-end and kill, people are still going to want to be made famous for heinous acts and kill people - banning guns isn't going to change a thing.
So...you're argumentative because none of your points were valid but you "don't want to give up your guns". I'm guessing you weren't on the debate team in school.

I'm certain lots of folks in Australia made the same claims about not giving up their guns. Many of them probably didn't. But those guns are hidden away and not in circulation now. No one is getting killed with them every damned day like they are here in the US. You can't buy one on a street corner for $20.
 
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There you have it and I am done complaining. Our country accepts massacres. I mean, at least quit giving lip service that you care. Thats so patronizing. You get your guns. Good for you.
FYI - the gun used in the shooting was banned May 19th, 1986. So your laws, regulations and such only apply to those that follow them.
 
Finally, some official understands "terrorism":

CNN.com: "It isn’t, being labeled as a terrorist attack by authorities." “There are motiving factors associated with terrorism other than a distraught person just intending to cause mass casualty. Before we label with that, it will be a matter of process.”
 
So...you're argumentative because none of your points were valid but you "don't want to give up your guns". I'm guessing you weren't on the debate team in school.

I'm certain lots of folks in Australia made the same claims about not giving up their guns. Many of them probably didn't. But those guns are hidden away and not in circulation now. No one is getting killed with them every damned day like they are here in the US. You can't buy one on a street corner for $20.
If I give up my guns am I to ask a shooter to please not shoot me or my family, friends, fellow Americans and all will be good? If I hold my hand up like a crossing guard will it stop the van from driving over people? If I ask nicely to put the knife down, will the assailant just comply and walk away?
 
If I give up my guns am I to ask a shooter to please not shoot me or my family, friends, fellow Americans and all will be good? If I hold my hand up like a crossing guard will it stop the van from driving over people? If I ask nicely to put the knife down, will the assailant just comply and walk away?
Nevada has some of the most lenient gun laws in the country. Which one of you NRA warriors stopped the guy last night with your trusty peacemakers?
 
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Nevada has some of the most lenient gun laws in the country. Which one of you NRA warriors stopped the guy last night with your trusty peacemakers?
Chicago has the most stringent gun laws which of those helped the 330 shot last month?
 
So...you're argumentative because none of your points were valid but you "don't want to give up your guns". I'm guessing you weren't on the debate team in school.

I'm certain lots of folks in Australia made the same claims about not giving up their guns. Many of them probably didn't. But those guns are hidden away and not in circulation now. No one is getting killed with them every damned day like they are here in the US. You can't buy one on a street corner for $20.

My points are valid, it proves that just because an act is illegal, doesn't mean a personal isn't going to break the law. Go ahead, force a gun ban, a gun buy back, however you want to word the law, but it still isn't going to take 100% of the guns off the streets, criminals or people who want to inflict harm are still going to be able to access them, and these types of senseless killings still aren't going to go away. Good luck though, I'd certainly love to never experience an event like this again, but I'm just not that optimistic that anything we do as a country is going to stop it from happening again.
 
My points are valid, it proves that just because an act is illegal, doesn't mean a personal isn't going to break the law. Go ahead, force a gun ban, a gun buy back, however you want to word the law, but it still isn't going to take 100% of the guns off the streets, criminals or people who want to inflict harm are still going to be able to access them, and these types of senseless killings still aren't going to go away. Good luck though, I'd certainly love to never experience an event like this again, but I'm just not that optimistic that anything we do as a country is going to stop it from happening again.
Who claimed it would take 100% of the guns off the street? Most of us would just be thrilled if we didn't lead the 1st world in mass killings.
 
I have seen people shoot locks out and shoot the tires flat on TV.

Those are non-lethal uses.

It's also not lethal if you shoot someone in the leg (unless they bleed out).
 
I have seen people shoot locks out and shoot the tires flat on TV.

Those are non-lethal uses.

It's also not lethal if you shoot someone in the leg (unless they bleed out).
I saw a guy turn green and jump right into the bad-guys room on TV..
 
You libs with your childish 'ban guns' response to these shootings are likely driving a lot of gun sales, ammo sales, and NRA donations today
 
Since you bring up Russia - how's that investigation going? Seems like a whole lotta nuttin' samich.

Yeah....just like Nixon.

Oh, wait....no searches or subpoenas were issued with Nixon's gang for many many more months yet at this stage of the investigation....
 
Yeah....just like Nixon.

Oh, wait....no searches or subpoenas were issued with Nixon's gang for many many more months yet at this stage of the investigation....
As long as you are paying attention that is all I care about, gotta have a watch dog like you on the scent.
 
You libs with your childish 'ban guns' response to these shootings are likely driving a lot of gun sales, ammo sales, and NRA donations today

Banning guns (now that we have more of them than people floating around our country) isn't likely to solve the problem as there will be access to these types of weapons regardless. Banning guns is about as real as kicking out all the illegals, it just isn't going to happen.
 
FYI - the gun used in the shooting was banned May 19th, 1986. So your laws, regulations and such only apply to those that follow them.

Manufacture of it was banned then. The sale of existing ones wasn't banned, you can still buy them legally if you live in a state that allows their sale. As, I believe, Joe has stated elsewhere, there are still 300,000 some odd legally owned Class III weapons in the US.
 
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You libs with your childish 'ban guns' response to these shootings are likely driving a lot of gun sales, ammo sales, and NRA donations today
We can't help you with your mental illness as congress has defunded mental health care in this country.
 
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Manufacture of it was banned then. The sale of existing ones wasn't banned, you can still buy them legally if you live in a state that allows their sale. As, I believe, Joe has stated elsewhere, there are still 300,000 some odd legally owned Class III weapons in the US.

Not this Joe. I didn't link that info anywhere I recall.
 
We can't help you with your mental illness as congress has defunded mental health care in this country.

This response highlights why the NRA will fight to let the mentally ill own firearms - to prevent the mentally ill from determining who is in fact mentally ill
 
How are you going to catch the people who flip out and commit mass murder? I agree it takes a snap in the head to go that far. But two days ago this particular shooter could have passed an evaluation easily.

We've already changed laws that needed changing. Remember the 16 year old behind this song?



Just a month or two before her killing spree a school psychologist had her get a mental evaluation with a psychiatrist who found her a danger to herself and others. When her Dad was informed he basically said, "Bug off!" That can't happen anymore. The psychiatrist himself can now work within the law to have someone like that committed.

The PROBLEM is, today, if a person willingly seeks help they will face all kinds of Draconian possibilities. Having the right to own a gun taken away is just a small part of what can happen. This kind of stuff leads to people who NEED help deciding not to seek it.

And still, a reminder, people intent on doing harm are NOT going to out themselves in an evaluation.

Your idea is well meaning...good intent, but won't work.
You're not going to catch those types or everyone that suddenly decides to hurt people. That's one of the first arguments I made in this thread.
 
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