Should MSU get the Death Penalty or not?
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The precedent was set by PSU for the abolition of the NCAA death penalty in college football.
No. We don't really mind when 20 kids are shot in Connecticut, and we don't really mind when dozens of kids are raped in State College. See Penn State's football success only 6 years after the Jerry Sandusky stuff came to light. Who cares about the kids in East Lansing, really? Slap on the wrist so the right people can tell themselves they did something, tops.
Money > children.
Money > children.
How about we wait until all the evidence is out and then decide who's guilty of what? My personal opinion is that Dantonio has covered for his players on numerous occasions, but my opinion means nothing. Let's all wait and see.
MSU will get a dirty look at worst. NCAA is as corrupt as our government.
A key would have to be that the 'protect the brand' behavior was across multiple sports, fb, bb, and gymnastics. That seems to say more about lacking institutional control than single sport crimes at other schools.
The challenge is the NCAA doesn't have any intestinal fortitude in order to do the "right thing" in any of these sorts of cases. It arguably had little to do with corruption as much as there is a massive conflict of interest.
The NCAA has been rendered to be something akin to the United Nations. If the NCAA were to do something "real" .... it would likely only be allowed if it happened to a "nothing" school. However, if something were to happen to a P5 school ... then school presidents ... would petition for the schools to pull out from the NCAA. Then due to agreements similar to NATO ... then if one school were to pull out from the NCAA ... then whole conferences would leave. Given the money involved ... we'd likely see all of the P5 schools create their own loose governing board ... a "new NCAA" ... only called something different ... and the original offending school would get in some trouble ... but something far from a "death penalty."
Consequently, you see the conundrum ... the NCAA cannot do what they ought to do in some instances ... because it would go against their own self-interest. And, at the end of the day, even if they did the right thing ... very little "justice" would be had as a result anyhow. Thus, the NCAA is caught in a position where they can only go so far as they can without rocking the boat too much.
If things are to change, then the NCAA has to have iron-clad contracts with the members schools that throw down crippling fines to the schools should they not abide by the contract. Thus, member schools would be far too disincentivized to ever consider leaving.
Actually, I think after the SMU penalty, there was a lot of talk that it would never be handed out again. Basically that it went to far, beyond just punishing those who broke the rules. Don't believe its been handed out again in the 40 some years since. The problem the NCAA has, like what happened in the PSU case, where they were kind of in a grey area legally. While the member schools, and the NCAA are liable to report crimes such as sexual assault to the proper authorities, it probably shouldn't be involved in the punishment of alleged crimes. I think there in over their heads with a lot of these situations, which is why they come off looking so bad most of the time. Without the subpena power that authorities have, their kind of toothless to investigate these matters as well.
the conference should be able to do something for conduct of a member institution.
What’s in it for the Big Ten financially though to sanction one of its schools? I truly believe we’re post doing the right thing in America. If it’s the safety of your kids vs. the money in my pocket, money’s going to win every time. Time to get over acting shocked by this.
PSU is the litmus test. They're the Ted Bundy of the NCAA. If they didn't get hit with it, no one will ever again.
What good does it do to give a program the death penalty when the parties responsible (coaches, AD's, possibly school presidents) can just walk away as millionaires. Sure they may have lost their job and may have to crawl away in shame but they need to be held responsible.
What does this even mean? Who says I don't mind or others don't mind when 20 kids are shot in Connecticut. It was horrific. The guy who did it is dead. If your argument is that guns should be banned in this country as a result, then that's likely not to happen, at least anytime soon. Does that mean we really don't mind? That is offensive. At Penn State, Sandusky and multiple administrators at PSU are in jail. If your opinion is that Penn State football should have been ended totally for a decade, again that was one option but just because it didn't happen it doesn't mean we don't mind.
And you really want to argue that the public doesn't care about what happened at Michigan State. President gone, AD gone. Full-blown real investigations are underway by the state AG to determine who enabled bad activity at MSU. It's likely there will be more people gone as a result.
And none of that will prevent the next tragedy. Treating the symptoms but not the disease is nothing more than lip service to anyone demanding justice. Have the gun industry, PSU, and MSU suffered even a fraction as much as their victims? Record profits, full stadiums, and ticket revenues would suggest that they haven’t in the least.
A few rich people lost their jobs. Boo hoo. The gravy train wasn’t even slowed down. These things will keep happening. Period.
And what is your solution? Public lynchings? Stoning? How do you make those responsible suffer the same as the victims? An eye for an eye?
Of course they will not and should not get a death penalty. Zero chance their athletic dept suffers a very harsh punishment.
If the employees of MSU knew about incidents happening the school is in line for punishment.
IMO its reasonable to think the victims might want some retribution which they should be able to get.And what is your solution? Public lynchings? Stoning? How do you make those responsible suffer the same as the victims? An eye for an eye?
Say his pension and retirement funds earned while doing this can go into a trust for the victims treatment.
If MSU is tied in any way having the opportunity to stop Nassar they have a check to write too.
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There should be some macro changes across all of college football/sports. Look no further than SMU. Program ruined forever. They are crap at best no matter what. They should be punished severely but the "death penalty" is absurd and does not solve anything, as it just channels the problem elsewhere and makes people feel good but a deeper issue in our society still exists.
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The fact that Penn St, Baylor, Miami (FL) and Louisville still have athletic departments is all the evidence you need that the NCAA don't give a rat's arse about holding anyone truly accountable for anything.
I actually like making them financially responsible. Only downside is the impact on the lives of other innocent victims, Their wife and kids.......
So much this.
Justice would be nuking these programs back to the 19th century. No athletic scholarships in any sport for 25 years. All athletic department jobs cut. Current student athletes can transfer to other schools without missing a year or finish their eligibility on scholarship but without sports, provided they keep their grades up.
Students at the university can start club teams if they want, but they have to raise their own money for equipment and travel. Students, faculty, or alumni can coach, but for free.
This gets rid of the athletic money for a generation. It gets rid of the tavern fans who never went to the school. It emphasizes that the institutions are just that - schools. Finally, every other university sees this and suddenly every borderline slimeball is on notice that skirting the rules really isn't worth it. Minor infractions are self reported and maybe we all get back to why college sports are so much better than the pros. It's about students playing for school pride. Not mega million dollar weight rooms, billion dollar tv deals, sellout streaks, or looking the other way when there are rumors for years that your really good DC likes to f*** kids.
This will never happen, because again, we live in post doing the right thing America.
Guess what, horrible things have been happening since men and women first walked the earth. People do terrible stuff. Say that all sports were ended forever at PSU and MSU, and that every gun manufacturer was fined $500M. How, exactly will that prevent the next tragedy? It won't. I won't get sideways into what I view as the solution for this, as it veers into the realm of the sinful nature of man and the the only remedy for that and no one comes to this board to hear that.
We'll agree to disagree on this one.
I'd be in favor of mandatory reporting laws. Institutions should not try to deal with crimes internally, but they should be reporting them. If a coach suspects something, it should be documented and turned over. Failure to do so should cost the university some substantial portion of their athletic funds.And what is your solution? Public lynchings? Stoning? How do you make those responsible suffer the same as the victims? An eye for an eye?
As I understand this particular case, law enforcement dropped the ball when this was reported in that they accepted Nasser's excuses that it was a legit medical examination. That's who we should be mad at.
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