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Should the U.S. let someone in who falls into this category?

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FBI Director James Comey told Congress that the federal government cannot conduct thorough checks on all of the coming influx of 10,000 refugees from Syria.

Appearing before the House Committee on Homeland Security, Comey said Syrians who aren't already in the FBI's database are unknown to the agency, meaning their backgrounds cannot be adequately scoured for a risk of terrorism.

'We can only query against that which we have collected,' Comey told the committee under questioning.

'So if someone has never made a ripple in the pond in Syria in a way that would get their identity or their interest reflected in our database, we can query our database until the cows come home, but there will be nothing show up because we have no record of them.
 
Yes we should let people in that don't register in the FBI database. Why wouldn't we? We aren't the "Thought Police".

Think of it like this, would you be OK with someone that didn't have a criminal history not being able to purchase a gun because what they "might do in the future"? You know nobody Pro-NRA would agree to that.
 
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Yes we should let people in that don't register in the FBI database. Why wouldn't we? We aren't the "Thought Police".

Think of it like this, would you be OK with someone that didn't have a criminal history not being able to purchase a gun because what they "might do in the future"? You know nobody Pro-NRA would agree to that.

Bad analogy. I would be concerned about letting someone buy a gun if I didn't have any record of who they were, etc. We're not talking about people who we can verify, we're talking about people we can't verify.

In your example, if we know who the person is, and they have no criminal record, then I am fine with them buying a gun. If not, then no gun.

If we can verify the identities and backgrounds of people coming into the U.S. then I would have no issue with letting them in. If we can't, then they don't get it.

It has nothing to do with "thoughts".
 
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Yes we should let people in that don't register in the FBI database. Why wouldn't we? We aren't the "Thought Police".

Think of it like this, would you be OK with someone that didn't have a criminal history not being able to purchase a gun because what they "might do in the future"? You know nobody Pro-NRA would agree to that.
The obvious difference that you're ignoring here is that you're comparing the rights of an American citizen to the rights of someone from the other side of the world who wants to come to America.

I think we need to allow some refugees to come here but we need to properly screen them. ISIS has threatened America repeatedly and has actively tried to recruit Americans to join their fight. They would dearly love to get some operatives inside our borders and it's not far-fetched to think they might try to sneak a few of them in disguised as harmless war refugees.
 
Here's an article that provides a little more context than the OP:

Much attention has been focused on the security vetting refugees must go through before they come to the United States, particularly after it was revealed that one of the terrorists in the Paris attacks entered Europe through a refugee processing center.

Several federal agencies, including the State Department, the Department of Homeland Security, the Defense Department, the National Counterterrorism Center and the Federal Bureau of Investigation, are involved in the process, which Deputy State Department Spokesman Mark Toner recently called, "the most stringent security process for anyone entering the United States."

READ: Donald Trump: Syrian refugees a 'Trojan horse'

These agencies use biographical and biometric information about applicants to conduct a background check and make sure applicants really are who they say they are.

The applicant is interviewed by a DHS officer with training in this screening process as well as specialized training for Syrian and Iraqi refugee cases.

And refugees from Syria actually go through another layer of screening, called the Syria Enhanced Review process.

"With the Syrian program, we've benefited from our years of experience in vetting Iraqi refugee applicants," a senior administration official recently told reporters. "And so the partnerships we have today and the security checks we have today really are more robust because of the experience that we've had since the beginning of large-scale Iraqi processing in 2007."

Another senior administration official noted that the refugee screening process is constantly refined.

What are the challenges associated with vetting these refugees?

Given the abysmal security situation in Syria and the fact that the United States does not maintain a permanent diplomatic presence in the country, it's sometimes difficult for U.S. authorities to gather the information they need to thoroughly vet a Syrian applicant.

FBI Director James Comey hit on the issue at a congressional hearing last month, when he told lawmakers, "If someone has never made a ripple in the pond in Syria in a way that would get their identity or their interest reflected in our database, we can query our database until the cows come home, but there will be nothing show up because we have no record of them."

This particularly comes into play when trying to evaluate an applicant's criminal history.

"In terms of criminal history, we do the best we can with the resources that we have," one senior administration official said.

Another official emphasized that the vetting process is a holistic one, and they try to take a broader view of an applicant with the available information they're about to aggregate and verify.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/16/politics/syrian-refugees-u-s-applicants-explainer/
 
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Here's an article that provides a little more context than the OP:

Much attention has been focused on the security vetting refugees must go through before they come to the United States, particularly after it was revealed that one of the terrorists in the Paris attacks entered Europe through a refugee processing center.

Several federal agencies, including the State Department, the Department of Homeland Security, the Defense Department, the National Counterterrorism Center and the Federal Bureau of Investigation, are involved in the process, which Deputy State Department Spokesman Mark Toner recently called, "the most stringent security process for anyone entering the United States."

READ: Donald Trump: Syrian refugees a 'Trojan horse'

These agencies use biographical and biometric information about applicants to conduct a background check and make sure applicants really are who they say they are.

The applicant is interviewed by a DHS officer with training in this screening process as well as specialized training for Syrian and Iraqi refugee cases.

And refugees from Syria actually go through another layer of screening, called the Syria Enhanced Review process.

"With the Syrian program, we've benefited from our years of experience in vetting Iraqi refugee applicants," a senior administration official recently told reporters. "And so the partnerships we have today and the security checks we have today really are more robust because of the experience that we've had since the beginning of large-scale Iraqi processing in 2007."

Another senior administration official noted that the refugee screening process is constantly refined.

What are the challenges associated with vetting these refugees?

Given the abysmal security situation in Syria and the fact that the United States does not maintain a permanent diplomatic presence in the country, it's sometimes difficult for U.S. authorities to gather the information they need to thoroughly vet a Syrian applicant.

FBI Director James Comey hit on the issue at a congressional hearing last month, when he told lawmakers, "If someone has never made a ripple in the pond in Syria in a way that would get their identity or their interest reflected in our database, we can query our database until the cows come home, but there will be nothing show up because we have no record of them."

This particularly comes into play when trying to evaluate an applicant's criminal history.

"In terms of criminal history, we do the best we can with the resources that we have," one senior administration official said.

Another official emphasized that the vetting process is a holistic one, and they try to take a broader view of an applicant with the available information they're about to aggregate and verify.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/16/politics/syrian-refugees-u-s-applicants-explainer/

So, if we can't verify someone's identity, should we let them in anyway?
 
Don't we all own guns? I thought we could protect ourselves.
 
I have an idea. Why don't we only take the bad guys in the databanks. Then escort them right into gitmo. I hear it will be available soon.
 
I have an idea. Why don't we only take the bad guys in the databanks. Then escort them right into gitmo. I hear it will be available soon.

You're in favor of letting anyone in as well, documented or not.

Thanks.
 
So, you're in favor of letting anyone into the U.S., documented or not.

Got it.

No, who said that. How did my post mention that. I just think the mass hysteria over our borders is outrageous. Especially coming from those who talk about packing heat 24/7 in public places.

If you're a documented Syrian with a clean background by all means come on in. America is/once was built upon freedom especially for immigrants and those fleeing tyranny.
 
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How about we send aide to them and have them settle over there vs here? Maybe take care of our nearly 1 million homeless vets first?
 
How about we send aide to them and have them settle over there vs here? Maybe take care of our nearly 1 million homeless vets first?

Sounds good, I would be up for that. How do we do that? I can guarantee trying to pass any kind of bill like this would be blocked immediately.
 
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Yep, the POTUS would veto it right away as he hates America.

I would be the first to call him out for it. In fact I have hated his handling so far in Syria. I have yet to find a candidate that has a good plan yet sadly. Don't assume I am an Obama sympathizer/empathizer (w.e. it would be) just because I voted for him. The Middle East work so far for the most part has been awful. Makes you nervous thinking of guys with less foreign policy experience aka Trump/Carson, how they would do.
 
Yes we should let people in that don't register in the FBI database. Why wouldn't we? We aren't the "Thought Police".

Think of it like this, would you be OK with someone that didn't have a criminal history not being able to purchase a gun because what they "might do in the future"? You know nobody Pro-NRA would agree to that.


Wow talk about apples and oranges. Nice try though.
 
I would be the first to call him out for it. In fact I have hated his handling so far in Syria. I have yet to find a candidate that has a good plan yet sadly. Don't assume I am an Obama sympathizer/empathizer (w.e. it would be) just because I voted for him. The Middle East work so far for the most part has been awful. Makes you nervous thinking of guys with less foreign policy experience aka Trump/Carson, how they would do.
I agree - yet when you lack experience in one area (much like management\leadership\coaching) you surround yourself with those that have proven success\experience.

Most of his appointee's have abandoned ship.
 
No, who said that. How did my post mention that. I just think the mass hysteria over our borders is outrageous. Especially coming from those who talk about packing heat 24/7 in public places.

If you're a documented Syrian with a clean background by all means come on in. America is/once was built upon freedom especially for immigrants and those fleeing tyranny.

What if it's an undocumented woman?
 
Phil Carter, Obama's top detainee affairs policy appointee
Top White House lawyer Greg Craig resigned
Foreign Service officer Matthew Hoh resigned
Anita Dunn, Obama's second communications director, resigned
Ellen Moran, Obama's first communications director, stepped down
Yosi Sergant stepped down as director of communications at the National Endowment for the Arts
Obama's cybersecurity czar, Melissa Hathaway, stepped down in August,
Susan Crawford, Obama's technology policy adviser
Steve Rattner stepped down as "car czar", overseeing President Obama’s auto task force
Obama's green jobs czar, Van Jones, resigned \
Education Secretary Arne Duncan will step down in December
Katherine Archuleta director of Office of Personnel Management resigned
Margaret Hamburg, commissioner of FDA resigned
Jennifer Palmieri Obama's communication director resigned
Dan Pfeiffer Obama's chief strategist and close adviser resigned
Marilyn Tavenner Center for Meidicaid Services resigned
Secret Service Director Julia Pierson resigned
Gen David Petraeus resigned.

the List goes on...
 
I have an idea. Why don't we only take the bad guys in the databanks. Then escort them right into gitmo. I hear it will be available soon.
Obama will pardon them to US prisons, why waste the extra money on shuffling...
 
Nope unless she has proof she is with a child that is hers. We need to be secure yet humane. A concept that is lost for many.

If she's not documented, then it might be extremely hard for her to prove she's with a child that's her's.

Let's say there was a DNA match between her and the child, and she was still undocumented.

Let her in?

That's a tough one, but could she not be a terrorist as well, ordered by ISIS to have a child for the purpose of cover to get into the U.S.?
 
Then we don't take them. Read what I wrote. We take the bad guys in the database off the field of play and deposit them in gitmo.

What you wrote only mentioned people in the database.

But thanks for your reply. I think we're on the same page on the documented/undocumented thing. Not sure about Gitmo though if Obama is just going to ship them somewhere else in the middle of the night on some weekend.
 
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