Snyder at Yarygin

[GG121AND2]

Here's Kyle Snyder's finals match at the Yarygin. Note Bill Zadick and Metcalf in his corner.

http://www.flowrestling.org/article/51123-kyle-snyder-wins-2017-ivan-yarygin#.WI4JMxsrKM8

 

[crablegs1]

Have to appreciate the greatness we're seeing with Snyder. What he is doing is very special.

 

[Chuck C]

Here's Kyle Snyder's finals match at the Yarygin. Note Bill Zadick and Metcalf in his corner.

http://www.flowrestling.org/article/51123-kyle-snyder-wins-2017-ivan-yarygin#.WI4JMxsrKM8

Nice. The Russian was gassed.

 

[24 so far]

Have to appreciate the greatness we're seeing with Snyder. What he is doing is very special.

Dude's a beast, ain't no doubt about it.

 

[NittanyChris]

He's amazing. No doubt at all.

Separate question: If you were one of his teammates and you knew that his wrestling could've been the difference between a loss and a win versus Iowa, would you be disappointed in him for placing his individual needs above those of the team?

 

[clw421]

Like a guy who's casually dating a girl who is way out of his league, I think Ohio state is probably just happy he comes around some of the time.

 

[24 so far]

He's amazing. No doubt at all.

Separate question: If you were one of his teammates and you knew that his wrestling could've been the difference between a loss and a win versus Iowa, would you be disappointed in him for placing his individual needs above those of the team?

That's a great question (although I think any team could be inserted in the place of "Iowa" and the response SHOULD be the same). Personally, I would be to some degree. I've always been a Team Guy, period, no matter the sport, while acknowledging wrestling is a little different kettle of fish (you're on your own, but your points are being accumulated for Team results).

That said, Snyder's situation is pretty unique, but not unprecedented. And to my knowledge he's the first to miss a regular season dual meet to compete in an international event in a non-olympic year, not redshirting, etc. (that could be completely wrong, I don't recall any others but that doesn't mean it didn't happen).

Point being, if his choice is that he can do both and he's allowed to, he'll do both, but if he can only do one he's picking Freestyle internationally, then I'd have to really think about if I want him on my team or not. And try to not to let the fact he's a great wrestler that is sure to help us impede my thought process. Really, how good he is should be a secondary concern (I know, the real world doesn't operate that way - if he's great it's fine, if he sucks - bye-bye).

Honestly, at this point it's almost like a hired mercenary, come in and show up when we need you, we'll let you know when that is. And all of that is because he's awesome at what he does. I have little doubt there is some friction caused by this, there has to be.

 

[Kwoodhawk]

He's amazing. No doubt at all.

Separate question: If you were one of his teammates and you knew that his wrestling could've been the difference between a loss and a win versus Iowa, would you be disappointed in him for placing his individual needs above those of the team?

Honestly wouldn't bother me. You want the best for all of your teammates and when they are World class, you don't hold them back. fOSU already had 2 other NCAA champs there to wrestle. You expect the other 9 guys on the team to step it up a bit if need be. Plus they already knew Stoll was out for the season. I don't see the problem.

I think the announcers mentioned that Ryan and he had talked it over and he would have stayed for the meet if needed. I really can't imagine he would have just decided on his own to fly off and leave his team without getting some input from some of the other team members. And I really can't imagine any of them telling him to stay home.

Really can't.

 

[letsgohawks44]

He's amazing. No doubt at all.

Separate question: If you were one of his teammates and you knew that his wrestling could've been the difference between a loss and a win versus Iowa, would you be disappointed in him for placing his individual needs above those of the team?

Not one bit. I'd be glad he chose that route over the pico route.

 

[NittanyChris]

That's a great question (although I think any team could be inserted in the place of "Iowa" and the response SHOULD be the same). Personally, I would be to some degree. I've always been a Team Guy, period, no matter the sport, while acknowledging wrestling is a little different kettle of fish (you're on your own, but your points are being accumulated for Team results).

That said, Snyder's situation is pretty unique, but not unprecedented. And to my knowledge he's the first to miss a regular season dual meet to compete in an international event in a non-olympic year, not redshirting, etc. (that could be completely wrong, I don't recall any others but that doesn't mean it didn't happen).

Point being, if his choice is that he can do both and he's allowed to, he'll do both, but if he can only do one he's picking Freestyle internationally, then I'd have to really think about if I want him on my team or not. And try to not to let the fact he's a great wrestler that is sure to help us impede my thought process. Really, how good he is should be a secondary concern (I know, the real world doesn't operate that way - if he's great it's fine, if he sucks - bye-bye).

Honestly, at this point it's almost like a hired mercenary, come in and show up when we need you, we'll let you know when that is. And all of that is because he's awesome at what he does. I have little doubt there is some friction caused by this, there has to be.

I only chose Iowa because that was the most recent and relevant example. Iowa was up 5 going into the HWT match, correct? A pin wins it for them, but without Snyder, there was no chance of that.
Gotta think some are disappointed with his "me first" strategy.

 

[bman546]

Weren't we recently discussing Tom Ryan's comments that the current state of college wrestling puts no real consequences on dual meets? Therefore, I doubt Snyder missing meets is an issue at all at tOSU. I believe Ryan's priority is making sure his guys are developing and wrestling well
(and if Snyder is getting top notch competition at the Yarygin, so be it) as they move toward the Big Ten and NCAA tournaments.

 

[caseyballzz]

This is an opportunity for Mr. Snyder. If you have a chance to participate in this tournament and then win it, this is great for everybody although it does diminish the team dual concept. I would be jealous but very proud that I had a teammate this good.

 

[1stplacehawk]

I only chose Iowa because that was the most recent and relevant example. Iowa was up 5 going into the HWT match, correct? A pin wins it for them, but without Snyder, there was no chance of that.
Gotta think some are disappointed with his "me first" strategy.

He's above college wrestling and everyone knows it. They shouldn't be mad, because he is doing them a favor by being on the team.

 

[purescurve]

I don't like him wrestling internationally during the season. He signed an quid pro quo agreement with the University (loi). He gets an education. They USE him to draw revenue (in whatever form).

From a fan perspective:" Lets go to the match we're wrestling Iowa, Penn State whomever. Why, Snyder won't be wrestling. He's in France. Yeah, you're right." Lost revenue again in whatever form and more importantly fan support. For those claiming that he is learning and teaching these others, great, hire him when his contract is done. I would like to hear how his team-mates truly feel about it to be honest.

Duals do matter or folk will die. Some bean counter like T.A. will justify it with revenue loss everytime.

I suspect this trend will continue i.e. Lee, Hall etc as the years go by and people will just get up in the middle of the night and watch free(get it)?

Now on protecting seeds, Imagine a Iowa-Penn State dual where lee, suriano, sorenson.rethorford, kemerrer, nolf. brooks, bo weren't going to be there.

 

[4409]

Is this Yarygin tournament the one that awards a fur coat to the champion (or Yak hide or whatever)?

 

[pablow]

I suspect that Ryan and $OSU take Snyder this way or not at all. I think Snyder's calling the shots.

 

[Azchief32]

Like a guy who's casually dating a girl who is way out of his league, I think Ohio state is probably just happy he comes around some of the time.

You win HR today

 

[hawkeyecrazy]

If his mates don't like it....I petition we take him. We have a 285 void that we can slide him in to for the Bigs and the NCAAs!

 

[Lsanders20]

He's amazing. No doubt at all.

Separate question: If you were one of his teammates and you knew that his wrestling could've been the difference between a loss and a win versus Iowa, would you be disappointed in him for placing his individual needs above those of the team?

Absolutely not. No one is bigger than the team, but what Snyder is doing is bigger than what any other American is currently doing in the sport. He has to be selfish here and put himself first due to the unbelievable amount of talent he has. He can still compete for OSU when it matters.

In reality dual meets don't do or mean much. The tournaments he is competing in will really help him. I wish college wrestling would suspend duals and only wrestle tournaments every weekend. Only need to be 8 teams at each tournament so guys would get 3 matches on the weekend against equal talent as they move through the tournament. Allow the kids to be students during the week. Could have different conferences mix in with others so seeding at the end of the year would be simple. Would reduce travel as well which saves cash for the school.

 

[sadiehawkins]

He's amazing. No doubt at all.

Separate question: If you were one of his teammates and you knew that his wrestling could've been the difference between a loss and a win versus Iowa, would you be disappointed in him for placing his individual needs above those of the team?

I think the AD gets a bonus of like 50000 dollars for every national champion that comes out of OHIO STATE.

 

[diggerpup]

I think since he's an Olympic Gold Medal Champion he can do whatever he feels like.

It would be a little different if he wrestled in the Olympics and didn't place.

Still hope he completes his degree in his time at Ohio St.

 

[DayHawk18]

I suspect that Ryan and $OSU take Snyder this way or not at all. I think Snyder's calling the shots.

Absolutely not. This was a joint decision made by all involved

 

[Azchief32]

Absolutely not. No one is bigger than the team, but what Snyder is doing is bigger than what any other American is currently doing in the sport. He has to be selfish here and put himself first due to the unbelievable amount of talent he has. He can still compete for OSU when it matters.

In reality dual meets don't do or mean much. The tournaments he is competing in will really help him. I wish college wrestling would suspend duals and only wrestle tournaments every weekend. Only need to be 8 teams at each tournament so guys would get 3 matches on the weekend against equal talent as they move through the tournament. Allow the kids to be students during the week. Could have different conferences mix in with others so seeding at the end of the year would be simple. Would reduce travel as well which saves cash for the school.

Interesting proposal. High schools have done stuff like that but I don't know if it would work in college...especially at Iowa or some of the bigger schools where duals are a money making proposition. Would clash with high school stuff as well on the weekends which could hurt attendance. Like the format though.

 

[Jaybird319]

Absolutely not. This was a joint decision made by all involved

I believe Pablow is referring to Synder recruitment process. I assuming Synder indicated that he would be going to tournaments during his time at OSU.

Ryan probably said "anything you want big guy, just win during March!"

Ala.....Allen Iverson: I mean, listen, we're talking about a dual, not the tournament, not the tournament, not the tournament, we talking about a dual.

C'mon people

 

[JustWrestle133]

You have remember Ohio State had Nick Tavavnello as a backup. He is a Senior and a captain. He was a round of 12 heavyweight as a Freshmen. He was hurt as a Sophomore and failed to AA, despite being ranked fairly high during the season. Then he did not compete because of Snyder last year. He would have been a favorite in most Big Ten Duals. Rankings wise, he was a little bit better than Brooks Black from Illinois. Unfortunately, Tavanello is out for the year, so Ohio State's plan for dual meets without Snyder kinda fell apart.

 

[CradleKing26]

pretty decent at wrestling

 

[PSU Mike]

Like a guy who's casually dating a girl who is way out of his league, I think Ohio state is probably just happy he comes around some of the time.

At the risk of sounding like less of a stud than most of you, I'd prefer the best girl I could date 1:1.

I think the things Snyder is accomplishing in the sport are great. I just struggle somewhat with the link to college.

 

[CumberlandHawk]

Would anyone here at Iowa not want Snyder because he was going to miss one or two duals? Would we say no to Spencer if he wanted to do the same? I would take as many of those guys as I could get.

 

[lookleft goright]

At the risk of sounding like less of a stud than most of you, I'd prefer the best girl I could date 1:1.

I think the things Snyder is accomplishing in the sport are great. I just struggle somewhat with the link to college.

Well the kid probably wants to get a college degree since he won't be wrestling forever. Since he is in college, he may as well wrestle when possible. I am guessing he has a lot of friends on the team and he enjoys it. To me this doesn't seem like such a big deal. He is probably just enjoying the heck out of the best years of his life.

 

[akaoni]

Winning Yarygan is no small accomplishment, I think he's the first in almost a decade to accomplish that feat. I can't imagine I would begrudge Snyder the opportunity to compete with the best in the world to represent USA in international competition. He may miss a dual or two, but that is more than made up for by the prestege he brings to the program as an Olympic Gold medalist and #1 in the world. Gotta be pretty small to have a beef with that.

 

[WWDMHawkeye]

I have no problem with Snyder wrestling wherever he wants. If he's good enough to do both, more power to him. I speculated months ago about whether his commitment to wrestling for tOSU might adversely affect his chances at Olympic gold. . . nope. Happy for him, and I hope he keeps on dominating internationally for the US. It's up to the rest of the heavies in the NCAA to knock him off if they can. If they can't, more power to him.

Especially given the Iowa program's emphasis on the HWC and international success, I have little doubt that Tom would take a guy like Kyle in a second. If he's good enough to excel at Nationals and internationally, heck yes I'd take him.

 

[Sandor45]

Anyone remember when Burak beat Snyder in folk style?
No TDs. still...with Snyder trajectory that win is looking like Apple stock from 15 years ago.
And yes, I'm aware that Gasdon pinned him in the NCAA finals.

 

[neversurrender]

He's amazing. No doubt at all.

Separate question: If you were one of his teammates and you knew that his wrestling could've been the difference between a loss and a win versus Iowa, would you be disappointed in him for placing his individual needs above those of the team?

I don't think I'd care as wrestling is an individual sport that if you take care of your job on the mat you've done all you can for your team. fOSU had matches they could have done more in to not leave it in the hands of the hwt.

Separate question we are all pretty much in agreement that no one should be upset about snyder doing what he's doing. Could Spencer Lee have the same sort of thing happening in a few years with him? I'll be honest I don't follow freestyle as close as folkstyle but I know Lee is a beast in freestyle, but is he good enough he could do the same sort of thing Snyder is doing and be miss duals for us in the future? If he has that ability what kind of policy does Iowa have on this, or is there one?

 

[24 so far]

Is this Yarygin tournament the one that awards a fur coat to the champion (or Yak hide or whatever)?

Who wouldn't love a good Yak hide!

I had a buddy that traveled over to Russia on business a couple years back, and before he left I jokingly told him to bring me back one of those "cool fur hats"! So a few days later, I get an e-mail with a picture of my new "cool fur hat", being worn by a blonde Russian female with my buddy all smiles in the pic as well! Got the hat when he got back too! Good to have good friends I guess! Ha!

 

[24 so far]

I don't think I'd care as wrestling is an individual sport that if you take care of your job on the mat you've done all you can for your team. fOSU had matches they could have done more in to not leave it in the hands of the hwt.

Separate question we are all pretty much in agreement that no one should be upset about snyder doing what he's doing. Could Spencer Lee have the same sort of thing happening in a few years with him? I'll be honest I don't follow freestyle as close as folkstyle but I know Lee is a beast in freestyle, but is he good enough he could do the same sort of thing Snyder is doing and be miss duals for us in the future? If he has that ability what kind of policy does Iowa have on this, or is there one?

Hard to say if Iowa has a policy or not. Obviously all these schools would love to have the caliber of wrestler that Snyder is no matter the format/situation. There have been guys in the past that won International hardware in Freestyle during college (John Smith, Barry Davis I think.......), but I don't think they missed duals and such because of it (maybe they did, don't recall to be honest). There are Olympic Redshirts in the rules already, criteria to qualify for that, etc., and obviously Snyder wrestled in Russia recently so there apparently aren't any rules against what he is doing.

I would think most College Coaches would frown on it, but as previously mentioned, for someone of Snyder's caliber they'd frown and live with it, for some fringe AA type, the leash might be considerably shorter (no doubt in my mind that it would be actually). It's a bit of a slippery slope IMO, but not too many Snyder's coming down the pike, and I honestly think there are top level guys that could have done what Snyder is doing (not necessarily to the degree he is winning big tournaments but.............), but chose not to for their own reasons, or they were encouraged not to by "someone" other than Mom and Dad. Cox is an Olympic Medalist and he's not missed a dual meet to wrestle Internationally to my knowledge, but certainly he's got the ability to do well. Then there is the academic side of things as well, maintaining eligibility, etc.

I presume Snyder is at OSU and keeping up his schoolwork and in the practice room a lot anyway, don't really know how it all works. The "slippery slope" part of the equation is pretty much hypothetical, but what if you had a team full of Freestyler's with intent on wrestling any International random event during the college season, and all of a sudden you can't field anywhere near a full squad for your Team duals or tournaments? I know the odds are slim, but it would be possible.

 

[WWDMHawkeye]

These cases are very few and far between. It's a rare college guy who 1) makes the US National Team in the first place or 2) has a legit chance to win the Yarygin or a World or Olympic medal.

Unless he's a defending Olympic gold medalist type like Snyder, your typical college wrestler with international aspirations is going to focus on doing his best in college and go for international success afterward. So I doubt there would be much interest among any but your very most elite college guys like Snyder.

Plus, I'm sure coaches would limit this kind of thing to only the guys with a legit chance of bringing home gold. They can't afford for any significant part of their lineup to be overseas for a sizable chunk of the season.

 

[ping72]

He's no Brody Grothus, but he's all right. He might get 2-3 pages from this thread.