So now we know for sure.
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We still have 1 scholarship plus if a stud comes up we always have Connor and Patrick’s to play with. I think the only other player we would add this year is Onu Otherwise I think we are done.
Fran has traditionally given scholarships to walkons late in their career (as a reward) many times. Darius Stokes, Kyle Denning, and Riley Till are just a few examples. I don’t know why so many fans are in such a tizzy about this. It’s not like Ash has been named to the starting lineup.
Iowa is at 12 schollies since Bohannon doesn't count against the limit of 13.
I don't understand the hullabaloo, either. Ash is NOT taking somebody's position. He's the 13th player, with one still available since JBo's doesn't count this next season.
Really nothing has changed. I'm of the belief that had CJ not left, Fran was going to stand pat with his roster. Oh, I'm sure he and the staff would still be looking in case somebody superb was available. But, with CJ leaving, I think the staff decided maybe Jordan was in fact the best available 2-guard for this team, for one season.
No one has ever read a comment from you that wasn't just flat out NASTY. I would never ever insult any reader or writer on any of these forums. This is called manners, something most of us learned from our teachers and parents around the second grade. GROW UP or go back to the second grade and learn something. Wait, you can't.
We could have used that scholarship on someone that could contribute something to the team.
You should feel special. If legend runs his mouth to you, rest assured you have the correct opinion.
There's still a scholarship available -- Jordan's doesn't count against the limit of 13.
We still have an available scholarship to use. Don’t think he will fill it, but it’s there. Like other posters have said, how many guys is fran supposed to play?
1) joeT, ulis
2)jbo, perkins
3)pmac, kr murray
4)ke murray, sandfort
5)rebraca, mulvey, josh o
Add connor in there and that’s already 12 deep. Which of those players above do you recruit over?
Ideally, Fran plays the best 8-9 guys every year. Why would you be opposed to making the roster better? Which of those players should have playing time guaranteed?
This is accurate. Ash is the 13th scholarship on a team that is allowed 14 this year. Sure, there are some really good players left in the transfer portal, but at what cost? Do you bring in someone for the immediate reward, but potentially alienate some already on the team? If a really good player is willing to come to Iowa and the players are all good with him, then fine, bring him aboard. But, in all honesty, I'm at a point where I'd just like to see what the current group can do.
Not opposed to making the roster better at all. But at what expense? I like the athletic core we have, why risk recruiting over them and losing 1 or more of them to the portal? The 1 spot we truly needed was sg after signing rebraca. Bringing back jbo wouldn’t have been my first choice, but since Fran did, what else does he do after that? Recruit another sg and push perkins to 3rd string? Hell no! We’ll be competitive this year and the following year very good if we keep the team intact.
That’s why i have zero problem giving Ash a scholarship rewarding him for his years in the program.
I also think it’s somewhat comical that everyone thinks we can lose players like Garza and Wieskamp and not miss a beat, that is pretty unrealistic for all but a handful of teams in the country. I think we’re actually sitting in a very good position after losing 2 players of that caliber.
And that someone can come in 2022. Where the heck would another new person fit into this year's rotation?
Nobody's opposed to making the roster "better." However, it's always a two-way street. Rebraca's best options were teams looking for a post-player, and Iowa was the best fit for him; two raw freshmen, and a couple of slender guys at 6'8"-6'9". The fact is that Rebraca was essentially slotted into the starting spot as soon as he signed on the dotted line.
There are some really good shooting guards and wing players still in the portal, but how many of them are interested in coming to Iowa? I think Patrick has been groomed to be the 'heir apparent' to Wieskamp's position (and I think he'll do quite well in that role). CJ, for all intents and purposes, looked like he was a lock for the shooting guard position until quite recently. The recruiting connections via the transfer portal had already been established by other teams looking at the other eligible players. While I'm sure the Iowa staff had been in contact with some of the portal players, it's quite possible there wasn't a ton of reciprocal interest given the possibility of competing with two already likely slotted in as starters. Once CJ left abruptly, Iowa was on the outside looking in. Jordan can pretty much take the spot of CJ without counting against the team's limit this year.
Any senior from this past season choosing to take the extra year due to Covid does not count against the total for the scholly limit. This only applies to next season unless the NCAA readdresses it.
Being afraid of recruiting over players is the very definition of not wanting to make the roster better.
Again, it's a two-way street. There has to be mutual interest. You can't just grab a kid and say "Hey, we need a shooting guard. You're it." It's also possible Wieskamp's lack of a definitive decision (though, I think we know what that decision is going to be) is holding up those in the portal from having an interest in Iowa.
Maybe I just have different expectations in college sports (pro sports are different, however). As long as they play hard, the kids are good student-athletes, and they have at least a modicum of long-term success, then I'll be pleased. Championships aren't necessary for me to be a happy fan.
That being said, I certainly would not want a return to the Lickliter era. Nice guy, but in over his head at a Power 5 school.
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I selected the "ignore" feature for him, so I no longer have to see/read his garbage.
I guess id prefer to have some stability in the program. Fill holes when needed, like they did with rebraca. Otherwise role with the guys you recruited, who will be competitive this year and very good 2 years from now.
Completely agree. We are primed to be a borderline bubble team this year with an extremely young group of guys after losing the POTY, an All Big Ten player, our best bench player, and our best three point shooter/fourth starter. Not to mention that we’ll return everybody aside from Bohannon next year. Seems like Fran has continued to elevate the floor of this program when his loaded classes graduate
Last time we had to hit the “reset” button? After losing the class of Uthoff, Clemmons, Gesell, Woodbury. We had one 10-8 Big Ten season on the back of Jok before collapsing to a 4 Big Ten wins season in ‘17-18 and having to rebuild. I see no such collapse this year or in the near future, but with much greater upside a couple of years down the line
Incorrect. They are at 13 scholarships and there is NOT a scholarship available until Weezy officially decides if he is returning or not. And with all the twists and turns (JBo & Austin coming back), who the heck knows for sure if Weezy will come back or not.
Current Roster (13 currently on scholarship; 1 on the "Free" Covid-19 Year; 0 scholarships available):
FRESHMEN: 2 players
6'7" F Payton Sandfort (***)
6'11" C Riley Mulvey (***)
SOPHOMORES: 6 players
6'11" C Josh Ogundele (***)
6'4" G Tony Perkins (***)
6'2" G Ahron Ulis (***)
6'8" F Keegan Murray (Not Rated)
6'8" F Kris Murray (Not Rated)
6'9" SF Patrick McCaffery (****)
JUNIORS: 2 players
5'10" PG Joe Toussaint (***)
6'9" SF Filip Rebraca; on April 22, 2021, Filip, who was a Junior at that time, announced he was transferring from North Dakota to Iowa. Filip played 3 years at ND but will have 2 years eligibility remaining at Iowa due to the covid-19 free year that all 2020-2021 athletes were given.
SENIORS: 4 players
6'0" PG Jordan Bohannon (***). On April 26, 2021, Jordan announced that he was returning to Iowa for a sixth season (the 2020-2021 season was ruled a "free year" by the NCAA due to covid-19 uncertainties; in March, 2021, Jordan had planned on being done. Instead, he had a change of heart & decided to come back for ONE FINAL YEAR).
6'6" SG Joe Wieskamp (****)
6'5" G/F Connor McCaffery (****)
6'2" Guard Austin Ash. On April 29, 2021, it was announced that Austin would be returning to Iowa for 1 more year and that he was on scholarship.
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Better tell Tom his scholarship distribution chart is wrong. Also, Wieskamp isn't coming back.
For a year and a half all we've been hearing is Ulis, Perkins and Kris need to be playing more. I seriously doubt Austin is going to replace any of them so what is it? Play our young kids, who we know are an upgrade from what we've been doing, or recruit over them and let them sit another year?
JBo wasn't coming back. And now he is.
Austin wasn't coming back. And now he is.
Weezy isn't coming back? Stay tuned.
Ok I guess we are assuming he isn’t returning. IF he decides to return he is better than 99% of players we could get in the portal. Either way I don’t think it matters, if he doesn’t return likely just go with the players we have anyways.
I hear what you are saying but it's college basketball in the transfer portal era...you can only expect so much stability these days. There has been concern about guard play and depth within this program for quite awhile and that hasn't really been addressed this offseason. I'm optimistic about the young guys but if they are so promising they should have played a lot more. Improving the team any way possible should be the top priority, not making sure nobody gets their feelings hurt. You don't know that anyone who has barely played will be very good 2 years from now .....at least some of these transfers have a body of work so you have a better idea of what you are getting. I doubt Juwan Howard is worried about recruiting over guys, if you're afraid of competition you might as well leave the program. Get the best players available
Incorrect. It applies for the next 4 seasons.
Due to covid-19, 2020-2021 was considered a "free year" by the NCAA, so seniors Luka Garza and Jordan Bohannon could have come back for the 2021-2022 season. Bohannon decided to do so. So, anyone on the Iowa roster (with the exception of Filip Rebraca, who is using the free covid year) scheduled to graduate between 2022 and 2024, they could potentially play/graduate a year later than CURRENTLY expected.
Example: these 6 are scheduled to graduate in 2024. They could use the free covid year and graduate in 2025, instead.
Josh Ogundele
Tony Perkins
Ahron Ulis
Keegan Murray
Kris Murray
Patrick McCaffery
the only problem with putting Legend (or any other troll) on ignore is that you can't see what he is up to.
what's sad is he brags about what he does and about how people complain about him.
and he's a subscriber. why the hell would you pay to put up with BS in the Lounge?
How stupid are you? The guys using the extra year and not counting against the scholarship limit is only next year unless the NCAA addresses it and changes it in the future which is exactly what my post said.
Also, Rebraca only played at UND for 3 seasons so he could play 2 more years.
Being that everybody in the Lounge is paying to be there and that there is less anonymity, I imagine that posters are generally more respectful to each other in the Lounge than they are on the free board. I know that if I chose to pay for it, I wouldn’t be nearly the douche that I am here (primarily due to fewer amounts of trolls)
Yeah, my thoughts as well - Ash was gone, so now Fran brings him back to be a practice team member? This move is a head scratcher IMO. I totally get giving someone who has worked hard a scholly if the opportunity presents itself - I just don’t think we are currently brimming with proven athletic talent to give away a scholly in this specific situation though.
How much of an asshole are you? You could just disagree, tell the guy he's got it wrong and explain why.
When he responds to my post with a douchey "Incorrect" and acts like he knows what he's talking about that is the type of response he should have been expecting.
I must be out of the loop, because I thought Ash was transferring?
Edit: And right after I posted this I see "Ash Returns on Scholarship" pop up on the right screen. Never mind.
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What if said player isn't actually better than what we have. Why start a one year transfer over anybody in our top 8 right now?
What should be guaranteed is that if you have been on the team since high school and have the ability, you should play over a unfamiliar transfer.
LOL
Incorrect, again!
How stupid are you? Are you ever correct about anything?
See, I can throw out the insults just as good as you!
Again, due to covid-19, 2020-2021 was considered a "free year" by the NCAA, so seniors Luka Garza and Jordan Bohannon could have come back for the 2021-2022 season. Bohannon decided to do so. IN ADDITION, anyone who was a freshman, sophomore, or junior last season, who would have been scheduled to graduate between 2022 and 2024, they could potentially play/graduate a year later than CURRENTLY expected.
So, Josh O, as an example, could take advantage of that free covid year and graduate in 2025 instead of 2024, if he chose to do so.
And Filip Rebraca has used up 3 years of his eligibility. He could play 2 more years at Iowa (the normal 1 year of eligibility remaining PLUS the FREE covid year that applies in 2022-2023).
So, again, the free covid year applies in 2022-2023 in Filip's case, so it's abundantly clear you are wrong when you stated that the free covid year applies only to next season (2021-2022).
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