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So....school reopening is going well...

Yes, it's true cases have risen when we've started to relax restrictions (i.e. open up restaurants, pools, theaters, gyms, etc.).
To expect that they wouldn't rise at all is unrealistic.
But, it's the price most of us are agreeing to pay. In your example, it was for the economy and for people to have jobs.
Now, the next step is for kids to be able to effectively learn and socialize once again. And, there will be some price to pay.
But, when assessing that risk, many think it is worth it.
Especially when you look at the numbers, and even see that the numbers that you reference, which have risen, reflect very low case numbers among children (5% 0-17, 0 deaths).
I'm not sure we all agreed to pay that price. Do you think the low numbers for children could be due to the fact that many places that children gather have been closed?
 
I'm not sure we all agreed to pay that price. Do you think the low numbers for children could be due to the fact that many places that children gather have been closed?

In the school districts that have released their polling, a majority of parents chose to send their kids back with appropriate precautions in place.
No school certainly had some impact in low numbers for children. But, many have been gathering for over a month now, in day cares, at babysitters, at baseball/softball/basketball/football games and practice, etc.
And, we are still not seeing a rise in cases among children that would necessitate eliminating in person school as an option.
 
And there is one of the major issues laid out right there. An exposed teacher will miss...at best...a week of school from quarantine to test result. A positive test means a minimum of another two weeks...actually more because it will take time to get test results at the end of that isolation. Conservatively, a teacher who tests positive will miss a month of school (assuming testing turn-around doesn't get far, far, better). If 3-4 teachers had exposure to a positive student...might as well shut down.

And then, of course, there are the students who were exposed.
This is not correct. As an essential worker teachers are subject to different rules. These have been laid out by the state and CDC. Teachers can return after exposure they simply need to monitor for symptoms. See below.

Critical Infrastructure workers who have had an exposure but remain asymptomatic should adhere to the following practices prior to and during their work shift:
  • Pre-Screen: Employers should measure the employee’s temperature and assess symptoms prior to them starting work. Ideally, temperature checks should happen before the individual enters the facility.
  • Regular Monitoring: As long as the employee doesn’t have a fever or symptoms, they should self-monitor under the supervision of their employer’s occupational health program.
  • Wear a Mask: The employee should wear a face mask at all times while in the workplace for 14 days after last exposure. Employers can issue facemasks or can approve employees’ supplied cloth face coverings in the event of shortages.
  • Social Distance: The employee should maintain 6 feet and practice social distancing as work duties permit in the workplace.
  • Disinfect and Clean work spaces:Clean and disinfect all areas such as offices, bathrooms, common areas, shared electronic equipment routinely.
 
It’s crazy how Sweden - a country that did EVERYTHING wrong - pulled it off. 1.8 million students, one death (severe underlying condition).

Just 14(1) days to flatten the curve.
 
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And there is one of the major issues laid out right there. An exposed teacher will miss...at best...a week of school from quarantine to test result. A positive test means a minimum of another two weeks...actually more because it will take time to get test results at the end of that isolation. Conservatively, a teacher who tests positive will miss a month of school (assuming testing turn-around doesn't get far, far, better). If 3-4 teachers had exposure to a positive student...might as well shut down.

And then, of course, there are the students who were exposed.
Also wrong regarding time off required after positive test.

It is 10 days from the start of symptoms not from the date of the positive test along with 24 hours have passed since your last fever (without the use of fever-reducing medications) and all Covid symptoms such as cough etc have improved
 
In the school districts that have released their polling, a majority of parents chose to send their kids back with appropriate precautions in place.
No school certainly had some impact in low numbers for children. But, many have been gathering for over a month now, in day cares, at babysitters, at baseball/softball/basketball/football games and practice, etc.
And, we are still not seeing a rise in cases among children that would necessitate eliminating in person school as an option.
No doubt schools being back in session would help working parents. Do you think the numbers of kids in an individual daycare or participating on individual teams are close to the number of students gathering in a school?
 
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This is not correct. As an essential worker teachers are subject to different rules. These have been laid out by the state and CDC. Teachers can return after exposure they simply need to monitor for symptoms. See below.

Critical Infrastructure workers who have had an exposure but remain asymptomatic should adhere to the following practices prior to and during their work shift:
  • Pre-Screen: Employers should measure the employee’s temperature and assess symptoms prior to them starting work. Ideally, temperature checks should happen before the individual enters the facility.
  • Regular Monitoring: As long as the employee doesn’t have a fever or symptoms, they should self-monitor under the supervision of their employer’s occupational health program.
  • Wear a Mask: The employee should wear a face mask at all times while in the workplace for 14 days after last exposure. Employers can issue facemasks or can approve employees’ supplied cloth face coverings in the event of shortages.
  • Social Distance: The employee should maintain 6 feet and practice social distancing as work duties permit in the workplace.
  • Disinfect and Clean work spaces:Clean and disinfect all areas such as offices, bathrooms, common areas, shared electronic equipment routinely.
LOL...you mean the White House written "CDC" guidelines? Fortunately, unlike Iowa, we have a governor who hasn't climbed up Trump's ass. We'll stick with the actual CDC's directives, thanks.

"Make sure that staff and families know that they (staff) or their children (families) should not come to school, and that they should notify school officials (e.g., the designated COVID-19 point of contact) if they (staff) or their child (families) become sick with COVID-19 symptoms, test positive for COVID-19, or have been exposed to someone with COVID-19 symptoms or a confirmed or suspected case."

They also say this:

"Because of the potential for asymptomatic and pre-symptomatic transmission of the virus, it is important that contacts of students or staff with COVID-19 be quickly identified and tested."

So...yeah. My post stands per CDC guidance.
 
Also wrong regarding time off required after positive test.

It is 10 days from the start of symptoms not from the date of the positive test along with 24 hours have passed since your last fever (without the use of fever-reducing medications) and all Covid symptoms such as cough etc have improved
More lol...so how much time after a positive test does one need to wait to see if symptoms develop?

Oops...my bad...it's ten days after a positive test, not 14.

I tested positive for COVID-19 but had no symptoms
If you continue to have no symptoms, you can be with others after:
  • 10 days have passed since test
Depending on your healthcare provider’s advice and availability of testing, you might get tested to see if you still have COVID-19. If you will be tested, you can be around others after you receive two negative test results in a row, at least 24 hours apart.
 
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influenza has a seven times higher mortality rate for young people under the age of 20

of course kids can return to school

this is about Politics not safety

Where are you getting your statistics from?
 
No doubt schools being back in session would help working parents. Do you think the numbers of kids in an individual daycare or participating on individual teams are close to the number of students gathering in a school?
At full capacity, I'd be in close contact with 120 students/day...240 over two days.
 
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Yes, it's true cases have risen when we've started to relax restrictions (i.e. open up restaurants, pools, theaters, gyms, etc.).
To expect that they wouldn't rise at all is unrealistic.
But, it's the price most of us are agreeing to pay. In your example, it was for the economy and for people to have jobs.
Now, the next step is for kids to be able to effectively learn and socialize once again. And, there will be some price to pay.
But, when assessing that risk, many think it is worth it.
Especially when you look at the numbers, and even see that the numbers that you reference, which have risen, reflect very low case numbers among children (5% 0-17, 0 deaths).
The first step was to open up with masks, social distancing, testing and tracing - that didn't go well. There was conflicting messages from leadership and poor examples set. Thus a much bigger rise than we should have seen. Now we're going to do the same thing while opening schools and it's likely to be even a bigger shitshow.

You've posted those numbers about 0 deaths in the 0-17 age range - that's true in Iowa but not the country. So far.
 
Your link did not show a graph with a trend at all. It shows a single day increase. Which has no context to the previous week or month. You claimed growth and provided a single data point which does not support your claim.
Not sure why you can't understand that.
My link shows all deaths in Iowa by day. You can clearly see the overall numbers AND the trend in those numbers.

https://coronavirus.iowa.gov/pages/outcome-analysis-deaths
You have to be trolling now. Or maybe you're trying to claim people aren't dying every day from this virus. I hope you're not that clueless.

An increase of over 1000 since yesterday means the death count has grown by over 1000 in a day. It's widely known that the death count has been growing daily across the country on a daily basis. Your narrow focus on Iowa allows you to conveniently ignore the greater issue.
 
In the school districts that have released their polling, a majority of parents chose to send their kids back with appropriate precautions in place.
No school certainly had some impact in low numbers for children. But, many have been gathering for over a month now, in day cares, at babysitters, at baseball/softball/basketball/football games and practice, etc.
And, we are still not seeing a rise in cases among children that would necessitate eliminating in person school as an option.
Positive cases in the 0-17 age range has increased from 5% to 7% according to your data link.
 


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