So when the Dept of Education goes away

[Aardvark86]

I guess it depends on the depth of the concept of Trump's plan. A lot of the following sounds like revenge to me:

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I’d say maybe 15-20% of that could be characterized as revenge and not a matter of educational policy (and that a good chunk of it is little more than election rhetoric). But the thing is, that 15-20% may well be the thing that moves voter needles when it comes to schools. Va taught us that in 2021. So double down on those issues at your peril.

And speaking of va, take a look at the wapo piece today on youngkin announcement of va’s school Assessment criteria.

At the end of the day the big picture is there’s a lot of social stuff that schools have become the locus for. Some of that is going to be detached, and rightfully so.

 

[Aardvark86]

Maybe if you were in education you would see the unfairness of that. I can name a couple of schools in my district with really high test scores, along with some with lower scores. The teachers at the high testing schools aren’t better or harder working than the lower testing schools. It’s not comparing apples to apples.

No doubt. But there are plenty of ways to identify them and to slice and dice the incentives.

 

[Tom Paris]

Don’t worry, this will be impossible.

I only have a few years left, unless bills like the one that got introduced in the House get passed…where people like me lose 40+ years of contributions to Social Security because we have pensions. Then I would have to go longer. Republicans consistently attack the little guy. This would be the second time they took money from my family.

 

[Doodads and Hoohah]

The price of Mt Dew went up way more than that over a four year period.

I don't think it is president related.

I'm not saying it is. I was just making the point that the the simpletons only voted on price increases. Even though most wages are way up as well.

 

[Tom Paris]

No doubt. But there are plenty of ways to identify them and to slice and dice the incentives.

There are?

 

[onlyTheObvious]

I would be fine with dividing that budget by the number of students in the country (public schools) and give it to the schools. Maybe slant it towards the poorer districts.

 

[gohawks50]

Merit pay over tenure actually seems like a pretty good idea to me.

We had merit pay as part of a salary increase initiated by Branstad at one point in time. It was like a bonus we would get paid at the end of the year. There was very little difference in the amounts we received. Merit pay is only as effective as the evaluator that decides who gets what. It's not a magic formula to raise student achievement.

 

[gohawks50]

I’d say maybe 15-20% of that could be characterized as revenge and not a matter of educational policy (and that a good chunk of it is little more than election rhetoric). But the thing is, that 15-20% may well be the thing that moves voter needles when it comes to schools. Va taught us that in 2021. So double down on those issues at your peril.

And speaking of va, take a look at the wapo piece today on youngkin announcement of va’s school Assessment criteria.

At the end of the day the big picture is there’s a lot of social stuff that schools have become the locus for. Some of that is going to be detached, and rightfully so.

Most teachers would welcome having less on their plate. The problem is many of the issues mentioned aren't taught, but come up in individual incidents that happen in classrooms and schools that have to be addressed. I'm curious about the patriotic certification. What are the qualifications, implications, and ramifications of getting patriotic certifications. Can only Republican teachers receive the certification?

 

[ClarindaA's]

A dumb middle/lower class is essential to getting republicans elected.

Nah, then republicans would get the majority black vote, based on their test scores

 

[Aardvark86]

There are?

You yourself said you could I’d good ones. And there are plenty of ways, not only via data, but by subjective opinions of managers, to do so as well.

As to incentives, for example, comparison to an individuals baseline rather than a group median. And of course we’re not looking to turn people into fully commissioned sales reps. Tiis is hardly the first time people have tried to design an incentive structure that is fair to everyone. And notwithstanding the protest, teachers are not somehow uniquely incapable of responding to incentives.

Tom I get this is serious business — both of my parents were public school teachers, so I don’t come at this from some weirdo perspective.

 

[Aardvark86]

Most teachers would welcome having less on their plate. The problem is many of the issues mentioned aren't taught, but come up in individual incidents that happen in classrooms and schools that have to be addressed. I'm curious about the patriotic certification. What are the qualifications, implications, and ramifications of getting patriotic certifications. Can only Republican teachers receive the certification?

The patriotic certification, of course, is just silly.

 

[gohawks50]

The patriotic certification, of course, is just silly.

What do you think about parents electing the principals?

 

[Aardvark86]

What do you think about parents electing the principals?

Electing? No (though perhaps in situations where local school boards aren’t, as mine want until this year). Involved in hiring? Sure, why not.

 

[MichaelKeller99]

Oh ffs! Damned near every republican candidate since Reagan has been threatening to do away with the Dept of Education and none of them have ever done ANYTHING to eliminate the size and scope of the federal govt.

 

[gohawks50]

Electing? No (though perhaps in situations where local school boards aren’t, as mine want until this year). Involved in hiring? Sure, why not.

School boards are the final approval for hiring any teacher or administrator. When my school hired a new superintendent the school board had the final three candidates meet with parent groups to get their feedback, but ultimately they made the decision. Our Principals mostly ended up being teachers hired from within, often because they were willing to do the necessary work to become qualified. I was asked to do so once, but I declined not because I didn't want to continue my education. I simply didn't want the headache of trying to make everyone happy while actually not making anyone happy.

 

[SB_SB]

A lot of you think covid caused issues with education, just wait until trump gets done with it. Luckily my kids are done and by the time my grand-kids come along hopefully it will be fixed from the trump damage.

 

[win1forthe]

You yourself said you could I’d good ones. And there are plenty of ways, not only via data, but by subjective opinions of managers, to do so as well.

As to incentives, for example, comparison to an individuals baseline rather than a group median. And of course we’re not looking to turn people into fully commissioned sales reps. Tiis is hardly the first time people have tried to design an incentive structure that is fair to everyone. And notwithstanding the protest, teachers are not somehow uniquely incapable of responding to incentives.

Tom I get this is serious business — both of my parents were public school teachers, so I don’t come at this from some weirdo perspective.

I’ll worry about this when it happens. The Trump administration would have to give control to the individual districts and if that’s the case, I’m really not worried about it.

 

[artradley]

Merit pay over tenure actually seems like a pretty good idea to me.

And by “merit” we mean teachers who embrace “patriotic values.”

I cannot grasp how anyone doesn’t find that chilling. This is Soviet Union / North Korea kind of stuff.

 

[Tom Paris]

Nah, then republicans would get the majority black vote, based on their test scores

0/10

 

[Tom Paris]

And by “merit” we mean teachers who embrace “patriotic values.”

I cannot grasp how anyone doesn’t find that chilling. This is Soviet Union / North Korea kind of stuff.

Just wait…Trump will get his military parade this time.

 

[bhawk24bob]

I think some of you are missing the point here, the bulk of America just wants kids to get the education to perform at grade level in the basics - reading, writing, math, science. etc. and doesn't want to get caught up in tenure, excuses, union-shielding of underperforming teachers/administrators, etc.

 

[gohawks50]

I think some of you are missing the point here, the bulk of America just wants kids to get the education to perform at grade level in the basics - reading, writing, math, science. etc. and doesn't want to get caught up in tenure, excuses, union-shielding of underperforming teachers/administrators, etc.

Then why do none of the Trump proposals mention improving reading, writing, math, and science scores? Even though I hated "No Child Left Behind" at least this Republican initiative put priority on improving student scores not waging a culture war.

 

[3 and Out on D]

The US should do what Finland has done, all but eliminated private schools and regulates the few they have.

 

[win1forthe]

The US should do what Finland has done, all but eliminated private schools and regulates the few they have.

Yes, including how to distinguish fake information posted on social media.

 

[SB_SB]

And by “merit” we mean teachers who embrace “patriotic values.”

I cannot grasp how anyone doesn’t find that chilling. This is Soviet Union / North Korea kind of stuff.

Just creating the new trump youth.

 

[thewop]

The Department of Education is going away?

He has mentioned that before. Not sure it'll happen. We were world #1 in education when the states ran education, and have done nothing but fall relative to the world since the DOE was established.

Is the formula that simple? I doubt it, but it probably needs an overhaul.

Educators are going to HATE that change at the micro level.

 

[ClarindaA's]

0/10

No seriously, the department needs overhauled, parenting needs overhauled. Get back to the basics

 

[luvmyhawks]

Maybe if you were in education you would see the unfairness of that. I can name a couple of schools in my district with really high test scores, along with some with lower scores. The teachers at the high testing schools aren’t better or harder working than the lower testing schools. It’s not comparing apples to apples.

How will merit pay be determined?

We had merit pay as part of a salary increase initiated by Branstad at one point in time. It was like a bonus we would get paid at the end of the year. There was very little difference in the amounts we received. Merit pay is only as effective as the evaluator that decides who gets what. It's not a magic formula to raise student achievement.

Fair points all around. I’m not sure how merit based pay would look and no, I am not in education. However, merit based pay works well in other entity pay structures I have been a part of. I do have 3 children in the public school system and we have been a part of the public school system for 13 years. You could just as easily make the claim it is unfair for the 6 year tenured teacher that is exceptional at their job is paid far less than the 35 year curmudgeon vet that is just there to get their pension. I’ve seen it plenty.

 

[luvmyhawks]

I only have a few years left, unless bills like the one that got introduced in the House get passed…where people like me lose 40+ years of contributions to Social Security because we have pensions. Then I would have to go longer. Republicans consistently attack the little guy. This would be the second time they took money from my family.

Link? What is this?

 

[Tom Paris]

I think some of you are missing the point here, the bulk of America just wants kids to get the education to perform at grade level in the basics - reading, writing, math, science. etc. and doesn't want to get caught up in tenure, excuses, union-shielding of underperforming teachers/administrators, etc.

Why aren’t we getting helped then? Republican parents generally get it because they know us and know we care about their kids. But Republican leaders and many Republicans on this board attack us relentlessly. Jesus Christ, we are literally working our butts off trying to help children and people treat us like we’re awful people.

 

[Tom Paris]

Link? What is this?

Edit to say this isn’t happening. My bad. I should have looked into it more before I posted. I apologize for posting BS.

 

[Tom Paris]

Fair points all around. I’m not sure how merit based pay would look and no, I am not in education. However, merit based pay works well in other entity pay structures I have been a part of. I do have 3 children in the public school system and we have been a part of the public school system for 13 years. You could just as easily make the claim it is unfair for the 6 year tenured teacher that is exceptional at their job is paid far less than the 35 year curmudgeon vet that is just there to get their pension. I’ve seen it plenty.

Most of the older teachers I have worked with are pretty damn great teachers.

 

[hawkedoff]

The US should do what Finland has done, all but eliminated private schools and regulates the few they have.

The US should copy wealthy almost completely white European country?

 

[win1forthe]

Fair points all around. I’m not sure how merit based pay would look and no, I am not in education. However, merit based pay works well in other entity pay structures I have been a part of. I do have 3 children in the public school system and we have been a part of the public school system for 13 years. You could just as easily make the claim it is unfair for the 6 year tenured teacher that is exceptional at their job is paid far less than the 35 year curmudgeon vet that is just there to get their pension. I’ve seen it plenty.

I appreciate the response. My district once used merit pay with a portion of the staff, but abandoned it and that was welcome by all. I can see basing merit pay on student progress, much like what we are currently doing as a portion of their evaluation.

 

[BioHawk]

Maybe if you were in education you would see the unfairness of that. I can name a couple of schools in my district with really high test scores, along with some with lower scores. The teachers at the high testing schools aren’t better or harder working than the lower testing schools. It’s not comparing apples to apples.

Merit pay for teacher is like evaluating you based on how your fantasy football team does only you need a 75% victory rate and you don't get to choose the players on your team or who gets to play that day.

 

[Rifler]

DOE didn't exist prior to 1980,.. It's not a huge leap to consider life without it again.

 

[Hans81]

Then why do none of the Trump proposals mention improving reading, writing, math, and science scores? Even though I hated "No Child Left Behind" at least this Republican initiative put priority on improving student scores not waging a culture war.

Isn’t that common sense, that is, does it need to be “stated” that improving reading, writing, and math scores to grade level is a core principle? That’s like “stating” breathing is a core principle of living. Well, no shit. 😳

 

[gohawks50]

Isn’t that common sense, that is, does it need to be “stated” that improving reading, writing, and math scores to grade level is a core principle? That’s like “stating” breathing is a core principle of living. Well, no shit. 😳

I'm not seeing anything in the following to improve student achievement, could you point them out to me.

President Trump will cut federal funding for any school or program pushing Critical Race Theory or gender ideology on our children. His administration will open Civil Rights investigations into any school district that has engaged in race-based discrimination. President Trump will veto the sinister effort to weaponize civics education, keep men out of women’s sports, and create a credentialing body to certify teachers who embrace patriotic values. President Trump will reward states and school districts that abolish teacher tenure for grades K-12 and adopt Merit Pay, cut the number of school administrators, adopt a Parental Bill of Rights, and implement the direct election of school principals by the parents.

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Certified Website of Donald J. Trump For President 2024. America's comeback starts right now. Join our movement to Make America Great Again!

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[lucas80]

Education​

The federal Department of Education would be targeted for elimination in a second Trump administration. That does not mean that Trump wants Washington out of classrooms. He still proposes, among other maneuvers, using federal funding as leverage to pressure K-12 school systems to abolish tenure and adopt merit pay for teachers and to scrap diversity programs at all levels of education. He calls for pulling federal funding “for any school or program pushing Critical Race Theory, gender ideology, or other inappropriate racial, sexual, or political content on our children.”

Here's where Donald Trump stands on key policies ahead of his second administration

He talks about ending federal taxes on workers' tips and Social Security, but his tax policies broadly tilt toward corporations and wealthier Americans

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He was being sarcastic, dummy.

 

[GOHOX69]

Oh ffs! Damned near every republican candidate since Reagan has been threatening to do away with the Dept of Education and none of them have ever done ANYTHING to eliminate the size and scope of the federal govt.

So basically they are liars?