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So when the Dept of Education goes away

Maybe if you were in education you would see the unfairness of that. I can name a couple of schools in my district with really high test scores, along with some with lower scores. The teachers at the high testing schools aren’t better or harder working than the lower testing schools. It’s not comparing apples to apples.
So what is your answer for lazy teachers who do little to nothing making the same salary and getting the same raises as hard working conscientious ones?
 
I’d say maybe 15-20% of that could be characterized as revenge and not a matter of educational policy (and that a good chunk of it is little more than election rhetoric). But the thing is, that 15-20% may well be the thing that moves voter needles when it comes to schools. Va taught us that in 2021. So double down on those issues at your peril.

And speaking of va, take a look at the wapo piece today on youngkin announcement of va’s school Assessment criteria.

At the end of the day the big picture is there’s a lot of social stuff that schools have become the locus for. Some of that is going to be detached, and rightfully so.
The problem is the crew leading the reforms will concentrate on the revenge factor, busting up public schools, and the social stuff like teaching kids that slavery was mostly bad, but the slaves with gumption took the right attitude and used the time to learn new skills.
 
The problem is the crew leading the reforms will concentrate on the revenge factor, busting up public schools, and the social stuff like teaching kids that slavery was mostly bad, but the slaves with gumption took the right attitude and used the time to learn new skills.
I don't doubt there will be silliness in a lot of the early implementation, as there always is when new west wing party hacks come in. Hopefully it won't include that tired yarn. Either way, thankfully, it seems to me that one of the most difficult 'reforms' to push through in the world of education is usually content. There are too many teachers, and too many classrooms, in too many schools.

I do wonder a bit whether there may be a little less silliness this time around, given that they've been through the drill once before and it seems like he's picked a pro for chief of staff, a la what Gergen did for the Clinton administration.
 
The problem is the crew leading the reforms will concentrate on the revenge factor, busting up public schools, and the social stuff like teaching kids that slavery was mostly bad, but the slaves with gumption took the right attitude and used the time to learn new skills.
The problem also is they want the money going to private schools so the rich will have more educated children. The poor. Well they can vote against their best interests and see where that gets them.
 
The problem also is they want the money going to private schools so the rich will have more educated children. The poor. Well they can vote against their best interests and see where that gets them.

The poor want private schools too, they just need help paying for them.
 
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The problem also is they want the money going to private schools so the rich will have more educated children. The poor. Well they can vote against their best interests and see where that gets them.
And make the investors in private schools richer.
 
Lol. Who is funding that? No private school wants a bunch of poors in their elite schools.

I'd rather put the state's per pupil spending in the parent's hands and let them seek education for their children from schools competing for their dollars.

There would be spectrum of schools, on a spectrum of prices, serving a spectrum of needs, but I think the key is competition to naturally and efficiently eliminate the failures that nobody wants.

I don't understand why people fear consumer choice in education. We cherish it in higher education, and ours is the envy of the world.
 
I'd rather put the state's per pupil spending in the parent's hands and let them seek education for their children from schools competing for their dollars.

There would be spectrum of schools, on a spectrum of prices, serving a spectrum of needs, but I think the key is competition to naturally and efficiently eliminate the failures that nobody wants.

I don't understand why people fear consumer choice in education. We cherish it in higher education, and ours is the envy of the world.
Do you think the per pupil spending at public schools will cover the cost of private schools?
 
I appreciate the response. My district once used merit pay with a portion of the staff, but abandoned it and that was welcome by all. I can see basing merit pay on student progress, much like what we are currently doing as a portion of their evaluation.
It’s hard to pay a teacher based on what a teacher does with them for 45 minutes in a day.
 
So what is your answer for lazy teachers who do little to nothing making the same salary and getting the same raises as hard working conscientious ones?
They are put on a plan and either coached up or out like in the business world.
 
Do you think the per pupil spending at public schools will cover the cost of private schools?

You make a nutritious meal for $10, and one for $100.
Market serves both.

FL is spending >$10k/student.

20 students sitting in a classroom is >$200,000. How much should go to capital expenses each year? How much to the teacher?
I think there are infinite answers, and we need to unleash consumer choice to see what people prefer.
 
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You make a nutritious meal for $10, and one for $100.
Market serves both.

FL is spending >$10k/student.

20 students sitting in a classroom is >$200,000. How much should go to capital expenses each year? How much to the teacher?
I think there are infinite answers, and we need to unleash consumer choice to see what people prefer.
Glad I don't have a kid in school these days. Won't be fun for those that do.
 
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No seriously, the department needs overhauled, parenting needs overhauled. Get back to the basics

Which years were the best for parenting? Personally, I would rule out the pre-child labor law era. I'll guess the it is the new deal era featuring single person incomes that were enough and the nuclear family was the gold standard. So maybe 1950 to sometime in the 1970s were the golden era of parenting when adjusted for nostalgia?
 
Which years were the best for parenting? Personally, I would rule out the pre-child labor law era. I'll guess the it is the new deal era featuring single person incomes that were enough and the nuclear family was the gold standard. So maybe 1950 to sometime in the 1970s were the golden era of parenting when adjusted for nostalgia?
The pre-child labor law era was the best. We did not need those dirty Mexicans back then.
 
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The pre-child labor law era was the best. We did not need those dirty Mexicans back then.

I'm going to be really mad if children are allowed to work and I didn't have enough (any) to support my Stardew Valley livestream lifestyle.
 
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It’s hard to pay a teacher based on what a teacher does with them for 45 minutes in a day.
If students meet their growth targets, it shouldn't matter if you're with a student 45 minutes or 5 hours per day. 50% of our teacher evals are based on meeting growth targets.
 
Why aren’t we getting helped then? Republican parents generally get it because they know us and know we care about their kids. But Republican leaders and many Republicans on this board attack us relentlessly. Jesus Christ, we are literally working our butts off trying to help children and people treat us like we’re awful people.

You must be exhausted working 6 hours a day😀

Fortunately, you get summers off.
 

Merit pay for teacher is like evaluating you based on how your fantasy football team does only you need a 75% victory rate and you don't get to choose the players on your team or who gets to play that day.
Some of the best teachers work with the toughest kids to teach who will never score well on standardized tests. We have a room in our building that I could drop any Republican on this board into and after a week they would say, "Ok, they're underpaid." People think PE is a breeze. Teach my classes for two weeks, with actual plans, and tell me it was a piece of cake. I don't want to do what classroom teachers do and multiple times they have said they have no interest in doing what I do.
 
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I'm not seeing anything in the following to improve student achievement, could you point them out to me.

President Trump will cut federal funding for any school or program pushing Critical Race Theory or gender ideology on our children. His administration will open Civil Rights investigations into any school district that has engaged in race-based discrimination. President Trump will veto the sinister effort to weaponize civics education, keep men out of women’s sports, and create a credentialing body to certify teachers who embrace patriotic values. President Trump will reward states and school districts that abolish teacher tenure for grades K-12 and adopt Merit Pay, cut the number of school administrators, adopt a Parental Bill of Rights, and implement the direct election of school principals by the parents.
Are you kidding me? If you do successfully get rid of all the “fluff” mentioned above, then there would actually be time/resources to teach the three basic R’s of reading, righting, and rithmatic! 😜
 
Are you kidding me? If you do successfully get rid of all the “fluff” mentioned above, then there would actually be time/resources to teach the three basic R’s of reading, righting, and rithmatic! 😜
With all of those changes, sure will be challenging to oversee that without a Dept. of Ed, or something to it’s equivalent.
 
Here is another gem from Trumps plan for education.

President Trump will veto the sinister effort to weaponize civics education, keep men out of women’s sports, and create a credentialing body to certify teachers who embrace patriotic values. President Trump will reward states and school districts that abolish teacher tenure for grades K-12 and adopt Merit Pay, cut the number of school administrators, adopt a Parental Bill of Rights, and implement the direct election of school principals by the parents.
Wait have parents vote for who they want to be the principal at the school their tax dollars pay for?! What an *sshole!
 
Wait have parents vote for who they want to be the principal at the school their tax dollars pay for?! What an *sshole!
Who gets to choose the candidates? How will the interviews be conducted before the vote? What is the purpose of electing a school board if all parents are going to make the decisions? Will private school parents receiving vouchers have the same right to vote for their administration?
 
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America's kids are getting dumber. A shake up in education probably isn't a terrible idea.
Kids nowadays don't seem to have to put forth the same amount of effort these days to earn an A. I have a kid who has a 4.0 this far through senior year and has had homework only a handful of times. I used to study/do homework just about every night.
 
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