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Spencer Lee article in local PA Paper

I found this the most interesting:

"Larry Lee is now a vice president at Coe College in Iowa and the entire family will move to Iowa next year to be closer to Spencer"

Not necessarily thrilled about that. See a lot of parents, especially in this sport, live vicariously through their kids. Hope we don't have a case of helicopter parenting here.
 
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I found this the most interesting:

"Larry Lee is now a vice president at Coe College in Iowa and the entire family will move to Iowa next year to be closer to Spencer"

Not necessarily thrilled about that. See a lot of parents, especially in this sport, live vicariously through their kids. Hope thats not the case here.
I doubt that's the case, I think the reason listed in the article is valid. PA to Iowa is a helluva distance. Plus in-state tuition for Spencer. They probably want to be there for as many of Spencers college matches possible, makes it a whole lot easier if living in Iowa.
 
I found this the most interesting:

"Larry Lee is now a vice president at Coe College in Iowa and the entire family will move to Iowa next year to be closer to Spencer"

Not necessarily thrilled about that. See a lot of parents, especially in this sport, live vicariously through their kids. Hope thats not the case here.

Did we pull off some SEC football level type of recruiting with this one? LOL
 
I doubt that's the case, I think the reason listed in the article is valid. PA to Iowa is a helluva distance. Plus in-state tuition for Spencer. They probably want to be there for as many of Spencers college matches possible, makes it a whole lot easier if living in Iowa.

Hopefully not. College is a time to get away from the comforts of home and discover oneself. It’s a time to learn new things and discover what new-found independence is really like.

I get that Spencer is a special case, and I can certainly understand wanting to be able to attend home meets.
 
Iowa has 2 Olympic medalists as coaches. Where else would Spencer go to get that tutelage? I think Gavin has to understand this also. Plus Gavin gets to train with Lee. Where else would he get that level of training? These guys picked the right school.
 
Hopefully not. College is a time to get away from the comforts of home and discover oneself. It’s a time to learn new things and discover what new-found independence is really like.

I get that Spencer is a special case, and I can certainly understand wanting to be able to attend home meets.

They will still be 30 minutes away, which means they won't be around each other day. It's a reasonable move especially if Mr Lee is going to make more money. I think it will be a lot like Dieringer's parents moving to Stillwater from Wisconsin...just an opportunity.
 
I found this the most interesting:

"Larry Lee is now a vice president at Coe College in Iowa and the entire family will move to Iowa next year to be closer to Spencer"

Not necessarily thrilled about that. See a lot of parents, especially in this sport, live vicariously through their kids. Hope we don't have a case of helicopter parenting here.
This board never ceases to amaze me :rolleyes:
 
I've always heard that if you work at a private college, such as Coe, your children can attend tuition free. Spencer has a twin sister enrolling at Coe next year, so along with whatever scholarship money Spencer is getting from UI that has to be a pretty sweet deal for the parents. Could very well be 2 full-rides
 
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I've always heard that if you work at a private college, such as Coe, your children can attend tuition free. Spencer has a twin sister enrolling at Coe next year, so along with whatever sponsorship money Spencer is getting from UI that has to be a pretty sweet deal for the parents. Could very well be 2 full-rides

Sign me up for that deal.
 
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Its not normal to move with your 18 year old kid when they go away to college. You don't find that interesting?

Then again, winning a cadet world title and two junior world titles isn't normal either.

Nope...not in the least. Kids attend college in the same town they grew up in all the time...many times living in the same house to save on expenses or not. If "space" is a priority, then Iowa would have missed out on a lot of good wrestlers in the IC area. Spencer is not a normal kid...he is not off to college for bong hits and keg stands. He will be wrestling every weekend for one of the top universities in the world for it and if I were his parents, I wouldn't want to miss a second of it either...save a lot of travel/hotel money and it sounds like Mr. Lee got a promotion. If you have the means to do it, why not? It's no different from Happel taking his dirty laundry home to Lisbon on the weekends. So unless the Lee's take up residence in three or four rooms of Spencer's dorm, I think it'll work out just fine.
 
I've always heard that if you work at a private college, such as Coe, your children can attend tuition free. Spencer has a twin sister enrolling at Coe next year, so along with whatever scholarship money Spencer is getting from UI that has to be a pretty sweet deal for the parents. Could very well be 2 full-rides


For the average private college employee (profs, janitors, food service, etc) typically there's a 3-5 year waiting period before tuition forgiveness depending on said college. In case of adminstrators these are negotiated terms.
 
In context of article I couldn't in good faith list a wrestler as greatest athlete if they don't participate in other varsity level sports

Interesting take, weird article tbh!
 
Its not normal to move with your 18 year old kid when they go away to college. You don't find that interesting?

Then again, winning a cadet world title and two junior world titles isn't normal either.
It might not be normal here because we are already in Iowa. Theres no reason to leave. If you live out East why would you not take the opportunity to live in the best state and get to eat the ice cream at Carver.
 
I found this the most interesting:

"Larry Lee is now a vice president at Coe College in Iowa and the entire family will move to Iowa next year to be closer to Spencer"

Not necessarily thrilled about that. See a lot of parents, especially in this sport, live vicariously through their kids. Hope we don't have a case of helicopter parenting here.
Spencer's twin sister will be attending Coe College also.
 
Good read. I enjoy reading articles about Lee. Just seems like a well-grounded individual. What a great addition he will be ... not only to the wrestling team but to the University of Iowa as well. Classy kid.
 
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"Not necessarily thrilled about that. See a lot of parents, especially in this sport, live vicariously through their kids. Hope we don't have a case of helicopter parenting here"

I have met Mr. Lee--- trust me on this we are lucky to have him here. He is a far from a helicopter parent as you can get. Look up his and his wifes background while you are at it... Impressive.

There have been and will be parents that I wish would "stay" away-- this is the complete opposite. Mr. and Mrs Lee conduct themselves as I would want to if I had a child that was a high level athlete.

TnT are thrilled they are planning on Iowa as their home!
 
I doubt that's the case, I think the reason listed in the article is valid. PA to Iowa is a helluva distance. Plus in-state tuition for Spencer. They probably want to be there for as many of Spencers college matches possible, makes it a whole lot easier if living in Iowa.
That in state tuition is very nice. Easy on the 9.9 allotment.
Wonder if they've moved already to start that year of residency...
Either way, the Lees sound like great people. Welcome to Iowa!
 
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Lee family moving to Iowa is really great news. Welcome.

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I've always heard that if you work at a private college, such as Coe, your children can attend tuition free. Spencer has a twin sister enrolling at Coe next year, so along with whatever scholarship money Spencer is getting from UI that has to be a pretty sweet deal for the parents. Could very well be 2 full-rides

I think it depends on the college. I train some employees at Loyola University and if their kids get accepted they get free tuition.

As for worrying about Lee's number 1 fans and best support group... as long as they are not PD2. (Which I bet they are not) Typically those who live vicariously threw their children are attempting for their children to reach success they could not attain themselves. I do not think that his parents fit this mold at all, we most likely would have examples of this if it were taking place. Sit back and enjoy. You were right about one thing, he is not normal.
 
I don't know the Lee family, but I would have to assume they are smart enough to do what is best for the family. I don't know why a father would move from PA where I think he has a good job already, No clue what it is just think I've heard someone mention it before, to take the Coe job unless it was the right thing to do.
 
Disappointed to read Spencer is not a fan of social media. Was really hoping for some in depth analysis of his Twitter account.
 
It's all relative. I bet Spencer Lee could have beat LaVar Arrington in every track distance from the 400m up. LaVar could probably have high jumped higher but I'm all in Lee wins the pole vault. Cross country, Lee wins by a mile over LaVar. Lets put LaVar and Lee in a pool. Who knows, maybe both swim like a rock.

(homer'ism below)
Dr. Tim Dernlan, 3x HS state champ, former Purdue wrestler and also college coach was a heck of a distance runner. He qualified for the state cross country championships as an individual and placed mid-pack.
 
I think it depends on the college. I train some employees at Loyola University and if their kids get accepted they get free tuition.

As for worrying about Lee's number 1 fans and best support group... as long as they are not PD2. (Which I bet they are not) Typically those who live vicariously threw their children are attempting for their children to reach success they could not attain themselves. I do not think that his parents fit this mold at all, we most likely would have examples of this if it were taking place. Sit back and enjoy. You were right about one thing, he is not normal.

I've see Mr. Lee make one post on social media and it was in relation to Spencer's injury. Some on BWI were questioning whether Spencer could come back that or even the next season...you know how it is..."Experts" who had an injury back in the 8th grade are going to expert...here was his response:

"NEPAwolverine-I’ve been involved with my son in the sport of wrestling since he was six-years old and I’ve met some great people along the way. My one ongoing regret in this sport has been dealing with forums that allow folks to post comments and remarks behind anonymous names. It is my respectful opinion that there would be much less bravado and far fewer negative, uninformed and challenging posts if we were all required to post by name. I try to stay off of these forums and have no respect for some of the negativity or glass half empty approaches taken by those that won't list their real names, but a friend just called me and told me to read your post. My name is Larry Lee and I am Spencer’s father and I do have firsthand information on this situation. NEPAwolverine, everything posted by KTI is 100% accurate, because the information was from me and yes, I was in the room each time we met with the doctors and physical therapists and yes, I live in the house, listen to the phone calls and read our mail that confirms the fact that people like you are far more concerned and have far more of a glass half empty approach than ANY of the coaches we are speaking with regarding his future wrestling career. So your guarantee is flawed and grossly inaccurate and I do know this to be a fact. If you would like to discuss this further, please post your name and contact information and I will call you directly. I would love to know who you are… If you don’t want to post your contact information on a public forum, please e-mail your contact information to one of the Young Gun coaches on their website and let them know that I asked you to pass along your contact information after reading several of your on-line anonymous posts and I will call you directly. Why speculate when you can have firsthand information? Not only are the coaches we’re speaking with not concerned and have told us so; several of our YG wrestlers that have taken trips to institutions that we have not visited or spoken with have have brought back comments from other coaches to pass along to Spencer such as: the labrum is the most common wrestling shoulder injury, or I had both of mine done, finished my college career and wrestled internationally for years without further issue…etc. So, sir, it is a fact, in this particular situation, that you don’t know what you're talking about when it comes to coaching perspectives on this particular injury, for this particular wrestler. I am offering a firsthand, knowledge based perspective rather than inaccurate and uninformed speculation. As an additional note, I’ve probably had 20 wrestlers or former wrestlers call, e-mail, or reach out to me through people I know and tell me other stories of quick recoveries without further issues. In fact, we have a young man in our club whose father told me a story this past Monday night that his son had multiple tears in his labrum because he wrestled with it for four months and finally had it looked at and the ortho told him that it was a serious tear…he had surgery on August 1 prior to his freshman season and made it back and wrestled in a little less than four-months and never had another issue and is now entering his senior year. I could go on, but the point is simply that each injury is different, each recovery period varied, but the one certainty is--as medical technology evolves, fortunately, it is more likely than ever before that these young men can return and have a full unimpeded career.

It is not our intent to rush back from this or any injury, but we have been told and we fully expect Spencer to return this season. If we are told otherwise we will not, but from all indications, from those with firsthand knowledge of the injury, with a particular expertise in this specific field of medicine, that he will return this season and he will be fine just as so many others have done before him with similar or far worse labrum issues. If you have any further questions or if you want to continue this dialogue, we can chat person-to-person vs. on an on-line forum."

Everything he said ended up being true.
 
I've see Mr. Lee make one post on social media and it was in relation to Spencer's injury. Some on BWI were questioning whether Spencer could come back that or even the next season...you know how it is..."Experts" who had an injury back in the 8th grade are going to expert...here was his response:

"NEPAwolverine-I’ve been involved with my son in the sport of wrestling since he was six-years old and I’ve met some great people along the way. My one ongoing regret in this sport has been dealing with forums that allow folks to post comments and remarks behind anonymous names. It is my respectful opinion that there would be much less bravado and far fewer negative, uninformed and challenging posts if we were all required to post by name. I try to stay off of these forums and have no respect for some of the negativity or glass half empty approaches taken by those that won't list their real names, but a friend just called me and told me to read your post. My name is Larry Lee and I am Spencer’s father and I do have firsthand information on this situation. NEPAwolverine, everything posted by KTI is 100% accurate, because the information was from me and yes, I was in the room each time we met with the doctors and physical therapists and yes, I live in the house, listen to the phone calls and read our mail that confirms the fact that people like you are far more concerned and have far more of a glass half empty approach than ANY of the coaches we are speaking with regarding his future wrestling career. So your guarantee is flawed and grossly inaccurate and I do know this to be a fact. If you would like to discuss this further, please post your name and contact information and I will call you directly. I would love to know who you are… If you don’t want to post your contact information on a public forum, please e-mail your contact information to one of the Young Gun coaches on their website and let them know that I asked you to pass along your contact information after reading several of your on-line anonymous posts and I will call you directly. Why speculate when you can have firsthand information? Not only are the coaches we’re speaking with not concerned and have told us so; several of our YG wrestlers that have taken trips to institutions that we have not visited or spoken with have have brought back comments from other coaches to pass along to Spencer such as: the labrum is the most common wrestling shoulder injury, or I had both of mine done, finished my college career and wrestled internationally for years without further issue…etc. So, sir, it is a fact, in this particular situation, that you don’t know what you're talking about when it comes to coaching perspectives on this particular injury, for this particular wrestler. I am offering a firsthand, knowledge based perspective rather than inaccurate and uninformed speculation. As an additional note, I’ve probably had 20 wrestlers or former wrestlers call, e-mail, or reach out to me through people I know and tell me other stories of quick recoveries without further issues. In fact, we have a young man in our club whose father told me a story this past Monday night that his son had multiple tears in his labrum because he wrestled with it for four months and finally had it looked at and the ortho told him that it was a serious tear…he had surgery on August 1 prior to his freshman season and made it back and wrestled in a little less than four-months and never had another issue and is now entering his senior year. I could go on, but the point is simply that each injury is different, each recovery period varied, but the one certainty is--as medical technology evolves, fortunately, it is more likely than ever before that these young men can return and have a full unimpeded career.

It is not our intent to rush back from this or any injury, but we have been told and we fully expect Spencer to return this season. If we are told otherwise we will not, but from all indications, from those with firsthand knowledge of the injury, with a particular expertise in this specific field of medicine, that he will return this season and he will be fine just as so many others have done before him with similar or far worse labrum issues. If you have any further questions or if you want to continue this dialogue, we can chat person-to-person vs. on an on-line forum."

Everything he said ended up being true.
That was a weird thread. I believe NEPA is a doctor (or at least claims he is), and was saying that no surgery is 100%, which I agree with him on.
 
That was a weird thread. I believe NEPA is a doctor (or at least claims he is), and was saying that no surgery is 100%, which I agree with him on.

I don't know...but he may have stayed at a Holiday Inn that day. This was his initial post:

"Does anyone know of any wrestlers who have had a labrum repair, and then done really well?
Shoulders are a horrible injury. (not talking about clavicle fractures or AC joint sprain/separations, or even GH dislocations). A labrum tear and subsequent repair, using anchors.....makes me wonder how viable Spencer Lee will be upon return. I wonder how hard Cael etc will pursue him now."

Also said this: "I am hoping the best for Spencer (wherever he wrestles). This senior HS year is almost certainly out, and I guess a redshirt for this first collegiate year, to continue the rehab and complete his recovery before going full. You really have to go slow with shoulders."

It was during recruiting time and sometimes a negative narrative can get started on character, injuries etc. NEPA came out strong on it. Lee's surgery had been done and his surgeon predicted full 100% recovery and that Spencer would be 100% before being released...not predicting 100% before the surgery.

https://bwi.forums.rivals.com/threads/shoulders.41744/#post-610127
 
Coe college is a very well respected liberal arts school. I should know I attended and played football. Pre Ostendorph days. We weren't very good in wrestling those days.

My two girls have aspirations of playing college softball and I have gone on record multiple times saying that I would move wherever they end up. As long as I can get a job in reliability why wouldn't I want to follow my kids while they are still competitive? They are only kids once and I only get to be their dad once. I'm taking it all in as much as I'm able to. I would imagine Spencers family feels the same way.
 
That was a weird thread. I believe NEPA is a doctor (or at least claims he is), and was saying that no surgery is 100%, which I agree with him on.

What kind of idiot doctor thinks he can offer a relevant opinion without a full examination?

Oh, and Spencer won a state and world title already post surgery, before his senior year of HS. What an asshat.
 
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