Spencer Lee surgery/recovery?
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Nobody knows the exact details of his acl injuries, and every person responds to surgery (and alternative options) differently. Even with Olympic aspirations, I recall his stated initial focus was 4 NCAA titles and 2 team titles. Delaying surgery and focusing on alternative rehab could make sense for him now. Consider surgery after next year, and still have a couple years to prepare for Olympics. I trust he'll do whatever is best for his health and goals.
I'd kind of like to see him get things fixed but I trust the Docs know what they are doing.
He said in the interview after NCAAs that he couldn't shoot and couldn't sprawl. He obviously was not moving well and indicated that he was in a great deal of pain. The Olympic Trials being this weekend probably did not give him enough time to rest and recover AND train.
I am no doctor but here is my guess. It seems with this injury that if you decide not to have surgery you are going to have to first heal from the injury. Then work/rehab on getting other "areas" around the injury to stabilize the knee. The longer you go the more these other areas can compensate.
Then you petition to get a special tryout for the Olympics since everyone, their brother, and even Gilman know you are the best guy at the weight
No offense but isn't that kind of obvious? Hobbled at NCAAs...trials two weeks later...Olympics in July. When is he going to rest/heal/rehab with that schedule? And never mind his NCAA performance wasn't good enough to win the Olympic trials.
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I'm not convinced of that. He gets a tech in the finals if that kid wrestled.
Always a matter of opinion--and what kind of idiot bets against Spencer Lee--but I respectfully disagree. The level of competition is night and day different than what he faced at the NCAAs. Suriano, Fix, Gilman, Colon...tough to beat at far less than even Spencer's best.
I concur. No idea about the pain factor, but the competition is ratcheted up several notches. At some point the kid has to get healed up, get back in the saddle and hope for the best.
Stuff happens, and not only to Spencer Lee. Olympians in 1980 were healthy and didn't get to go. There's no guarantee this one will be held either. Stay tuned.
I don't think Japan wants athletes and support teams from all over the world coming to their country. Brazil is blowing and who's to say what's next.
It's one thing to have domestic sport competitions. Quite another to invite the world.
Maybe Steveson yapping on about the WWF is a clue.
It's one thing to have domestic sport competitions. Quite another to invite the world.
Maybe Steveson yapping on about the WWF is a clue.
I agree. Spencer can beat almost anyone even at 50%, (he was probably not even at that at NCAA's) but trials will have the best of the rest and Spencer couldn't scramble well and only had to get 1 takedown at NCAA's and could end the match or build enough of a lead to coast from there. Trials would be a totally different monster. I'm not saying he couldn't still win, but he would be at a dramatic disadvantage and they would all know his weaknesses at that point.
Knowing a little bit about ACL injuries - my bet is that he only has the most recent injury operated on.
With the new injury being so fresh, there's time that is needed for additional swelling to subside and pre-rehab strengthening to be completed. ACL repairs are never done immediately after the injury.
I imagine Spencer will probably miss most of the first semester and be back in Jan/Feb of 2022.
With the new injury being so fresh, there's time that is needed for additional swelling to subside and pre-rehab strengthening to be completed. ACL repairs are never done immediately after the injury.
I imagine Spencer will probably miss most of the first semester and be back in Jan/Feb of 2022.
Theres a reason coaches dont release injuries to the press. Although in this case a hyped up Lee at his post interview let it out about his trials and hurting his ACL, it was the pt on flo that exposed his limitations and what he could or couldn't do and probably helped make his decision not to compete.
Every opposing coach and wrestler would know what Lee's limits were and how to expose him...or possibly doing more damage to his knees. Glad hes sitting and healing.
Every opposing coach and wrestler would know what Lee's limits were and how to expose him...or possibly doing more damage to his knees. Glad hes sitting and healing.
He said in that interview he was encouraged by the coaches to say something about the injuries.
Did he say he was encouraged by the coaches or "they" which could have been ESPN or those interviewing? Not disagreeing, I just don't recall him saying coaches specifically.
Dr. Westerman to be exact. He did my kids knee. Used the quad tendon because he is a wrestler. Same procedure he used for Sage Walker (he came back and won a state title after 5-6 months) https://uihc.org/robert-w-westermann
Here’s a recent interview with Spencer. He talks about it in a few places in the interview. The short answer is that he never got surgery. I’m not quite sure I 100% understand the rationale but I think in general he was happy with how his other knee recovered a couple years ago with no surgery so he’s just hoping to do that again. I think the length of the recovery also played a role in his decision, it must be a shorter recovery with no surgery.
He also apparently stated during media day that he is "as healthy as can be. Do I not look healthy?". I'm gonna take his word for it that's he's good to go.
Spencer has super human like stabilizing muscles in his thighs and the muscles surrounding his knees. He’s added strength in that area. Good news is it doesn’t affect his biggest strength at all. His top game.
If Lee wasn’t injured he techs or pins that kid in the first period no matter what. Lee would have had no chance against any of the top guys at Trials in the condition he was in. As good as Spencer is, when he’s at 70% there are several guys who can beat him.
There definitely are people that can beat him in that condition, but to say he has no chance is disrespectful to Spencer IMO. Kid has gone through a ton throughout his career (sophomore year comes to mind) and always finds a way when the lights are brightest and stakes are highest. I'd put nothing past him at this point.
There is no disrespect. I believe he is not just the best wrestler in the world at his weight, and I would even say he’s the best P4P wrestler in the world - when healthy.
But physically he was a shell of himself last year at NCAA’s. To acknowledge that he is not the greatest in the world when his body is significantly damaged is not disrespectful.
My point is he's never lost at the college scene (nationals), no matter how highly the odds seemed stacked against him. Watching the Oklahoma state meet his sophomore year it seemed impossible he would be able to win a national title.
Yet he found a way and did it. To say there's no way he would've won is very disingenuous. Now if you say you don't think he would've is one thing, but to act like it's a fact he wouldn't have won is crazy.
He's earned the right to expect him to win, no matter the odds, until proven otherwise.
And you have the right to that opinion, but to act like it's a fact that he'll lose is disingenuous to me.
Also we were talking about trials, which is mainly composed of people that he's wrestled and beaten at the college level. And people he killed at senior nationals.
Only to win a spot on the team.
You are free to have an opinion. Spencer has the final say.
What are you even talking about?
"Lee would have had no chance against any of the top guys at Trials in the condition he was in."
This is the quote I was responding to. Nowhere did it mention the Olympics or Worlds competition. Trials. Saying he has no chance at trials, even in his condition, is disingenuous, TO ME, because he has found a way to win multiple times in similar situations. Against similar competition.
He certainly did. I believe he's come back and said that by the trials he was actually feeling a lot better than he expected and kind of wished he'd went for it.
He did not. In interviews he has said how after NCAA's his knees were worse as everything else in his knee (like the MCL) was sprained. He said how he doesn't know how it would have gone, both results wise as well as further injuring his knees other ligaments.
Pretty sure this was in regard to just some casual sporty things, as the one example he gave was of not being able to play Spikeball when the other guys on the team play. This is because of the fact that Spikeball demands the player to make quick cuts and due to him having no ACL's, that's a no-no.
I don't doubt you heard something like that, but what I heard was in the context of the mat.
