Spoke with a man who was there January 6.

Raglefant

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He said that it was extremely well organized. He saw many dufflebags filled with essentially military weapons. Said that his group of 6 guys (from California) were there to do whatever Trump wanted. If he had declared that he wasn't leaving office, they would have stayed in DC for as long as needed, joined his militia, and guarded Trump and the White House. Said that's what he and his group were hoping for.

He said they believed they were on a mission to save America. Said that it was Giuliani who got the crowd fired up the most to storm the capitol. The mission was to secure the actual official electoral documents before they could be certified. He believed that if they physically prevented that certification from occurring before midnight, then law would dictate that Trump remain in the White House. He recalls Giuliani saying that they were going to exercise "Jury by Execution" and that got him and those around him pumped up to take any action necessary. He said he was ready to kill people who stood in their way and he felt justified in doing that if needed. He recalls multiple people saying that they might have to eliminate the Vice President.

Once they got to the Capitol and he saw police officers being attacked, his feelings changed and he realized what they were doing wasn't right. He was inside, wouldn't tell me specifics of what he had done while inside, but when he emerged he came upon a police officer being beaten by a group of people. He got involved and with a few others got between the mob and the officer and fought/talked them back and escorted the officer to safety.

He was found and interviewed by the FBI and not charged. He believes it's because he helped that officer. He believes that the election was stolen and that Trump is our lawful President. I asked him specifically why he believes that and he said because Trump said so, that's it.
 

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Once they got to the Capitol and he saw police officers being attacked, his feelings changed and he realized what they were doing wasn't right. He was inside, wouldn't tell me specifics of what he had done while inside, but when he emerged he came upon a police officer being beaten by a group of people. He got involved and with a few others got between the mob and the officer and fought/talked them back and escorted the officer to safety.
This guy thinks he's the main character and he's a hero lol

I hope your IQ didn't drop too far while you were talking to this person. Looks like you can still make complete sentences, so that's a good sign.
 

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He said that it was extremely well organized. He saw many dufflebags filled with essentially military weapons. Said that his group of 6 guys (from California) were there to do whatever Trump wanted. If he had declared that he wasn't leaving office, they would have stayed in DC for as long as needed, joined his militia, and guarded Trump and the White House. Said that's what he and his group were hoping for.

He said they believed they were on a mission to save America. Said that it was Giuliani who got the crowd fired up the most to storm the capitol. The mission was to secure the actual official electoral documents before they could be certified. He believed that if they physically prevented that certification from occurring before midnight, then law would dictate that Trump remain in the White House. He recalls Giuliani saying that they were going to exercise "Jury by Execution" and that got him and those around him pumped up to take any action necessary. He said he was ready to kill people who stood in their way and he felt justified in doing that if needed. He recalls multiple people saying that they might have to eliminate the Vice President.

Once they got to the Capitol and he saw police officers being attacked, his feelings changed and he realized what they were doing wasn't right. He was inside, wouldn't tell me specifics of what he had done while inside, but when he emerged he came upon a police officer being beaten by a group of people. He got involved and with a few others got between the mob and the officer and fought/talked them back and escorted the officer to safety.

He was found and interviewed by the FBI and not charged. He believes it's because he helped that officer. He believes that the election was stolen and that Trump is our lawful President. I asked him specifically why he believes that and he said because Trump said so, that's it.
He made quite a bit of sense until that last sentence.
 

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Yes. What are you suggesting?
They've (MAGAs and adjacents) been told repeatedly it couldn't have been a coup/insurrection because there weren't any armed forces there. So now for them a major point of what happened that day is whether or not J6 participants brought guns and then whether or not they brought them to the Capitol.
 

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He said that it was extremely well organized. He saw many dufflebags filled with essentially military weapons. Said that his group of 6 guys (from California) were there to do whatever Trump wanted. If he had declared that he wasn't leaving office, they would have stayed in DC for as long as needed, joined his militia, and guarded Trump and the White House. Said that's what he and his group were hoping for.

He said they believed they were on a mission to save America. Said that it was Giuliani who got the crowd fired up the most to storm the capitol. The mission was to secure the actual official electoral documents before they could be certified. He believed that if they physically prevented that certification from occurring before midnight, then law would dictate that Trump remain in the White House. He recalls Giuliani saying that they were going to exercise "Jury by Execution" and that got him and those around him pumped up to take any action necessary. He said he was ready to kill people who stood in their way and he felt justified in doing that if needed. He recalls multiple people saying that they might have to eliminate the Vice President.

Once they got to the Capitol and he saw police officers being attacked, his feelings changed and he realized what they were doing wasn't right. He was inside, wouldn't tell me specifics of what he had done while inside, but when he emerged he came upon a police officer being beaten by a group of people. He got involved and with a few others got between the mob and the officer and fought/talked them back and escorted the officer to safety.

He was found and interviewed by the FBI and not charged. He believes it's because he helped that officer. He believes that the election was stolen and that Trump is our lawful President. I asked him specifically why he believes that and he said because Trump said so, that's it.
I was told it was just some sharp elbows.
 

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He said that it was extremely well organized. He saw many dufflebags filled with essentially military weapons. Said that his group of 6 guys (from California) were there to do whatever Trump wanted. If he had declared that he wasn't leaving office, they would have stayed in DC for as long as needed, joined his militia, and guarded Trump and the White House. Said that's what he and his group were hoping for.

He said they believed they were on a mission to save America. Said that it was Giuliani who got the crowd fired up the most to storm the capitol. The mission was to secure the actual official electoral documents before they could be certified. He believed that if they physically prevented that certification from occurring before midnight, then law would dictate that Trump remain in the White House. He recalls Giuliani saying that they were going to exercise "Jury by Execution" and that got him and those around him pumped up to take any action necessary. He said he was ready to kill people who stood in their way and he felt justified in doing that if needed. He recalls multiple people saying that they might have to eliminate the Vice President.

Once they got to the Capitol and he saw police officers being attacked, his feelings changed and he realized what they were doing wasn't right. He was inside, wouldn't tell me specifics of what he had done while inside, but when he emerged he came upon a police officer being beaten by a group of people. He got involved and with a few others got between the mob and the officer and fought/talked them back and escorted the officer to safety.

He was found and interviewed by the FBI and not charged. He believes it's because he helped that officer. He believes that the election was stolen and that Trump is our lawful President. I asked him specifically why he believes that and he said because Trump said so, that's it.
So, he' s just stupid and brainwashed but not totally devoid of human decency?
 

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Honest question, did the government have intelligence that Jan 6 was going to happen?
 

Raglefant

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They've (MAGAs and adjacents) been told repeatedly it couldn't have been a coup/insurrection because there weren't any armed forces there. So now for them a major point of what happened that day is whether or not J6 participants brought guns and then whether or not they brought them to the Capitol.
Gotcha. Well they had guns. He was honest about a lot of stuff, some I promised not to share. He had no reason to make up the part about them having a sizable arsenal. In fact if anything he would have a motive to omit or understate that. Clearly they didn't carry into the Capitol, but if things had taken a different route, they definitely had weapons.
 

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They've (MAGAs and adjacents) been told repeatedly it couldn't have been a coup/insurrection because there weren't any armed forces there. So now for them a major point of what happened that day is whether or not J6 participants brought guns and then whether or not they brought them to the Capitol.
Official Army Navy Air Force Marines type backing not losers with guns.
 

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He said that it was extremely well organized. He saw many dufflebags filled with essentially military weapons. Said that his group of 6 guys (from California) were there to do whatever Trump wanted. If he had declared that he wasn't leaving office, they would have stayed in DC for as long as needed, joined his militia, and guarded Trump and the White House. Said that's what he and his group were hoping for.

He said they believed they were on a mission to save America. Said that it was Giuliani who got the crowd fired up the most to storm the capitol. The mission was to secure the actual official electoral documents before they could be certified. He believed that if they physically prevented that certification from occurring before midnight, then law would dictate that Trump remain in the White House. He recalls Giuliani saying that they were going to exercise "Jury by Execution" and that got him and those around him pumped up to take any action necessary. He said he was ready to kill people who stood in their way and he felt justified in doing that if needed. He recalls multiple people saying that they might have to eliminate the Vice President.

Once they got to the Capitol and he saw police officers being attacked, his feelings changed and he realized what they were doing wasn't right. He was inside, wouldn't tell me specifics of what he had done while inside, but when he emerged he came upon a police officer being beaten by a group of people. He got involved and with a few others got between the mob and the officer and fought/talked them back and escorted the officer to safety.

He was found and interviewed by the FBI and not charged. He believes it's because he helped that officer. He believes that the election was stolen and that Trump is our lawful President. I asked him specifically why he believes that and he said because Trump said so, that's it.

This is like one of those stories, about halfway through, you think it's going from a negative to a positive. They you slap down the last paragraph and we all see that your acquaintance didn't have some kind of epiphany, but rather is just a dumb F with a conscience.
 

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Gotcha. Well they had guns. He was honest about a lot of stuff, some I promised not to share. He had no reason to make up the part about them having a sizable arsenal. In fact if anything he would have a motive to omit or understate that. Clearly they didn't carry into the Capitol, but if things had taken a different route, they definitely had weapons.
No he didn't. You ever really carry a weapon? They are heavy. Especially a bunch of them in duffel bags. Where did all these duffel bags go? They run with them? Funny how none of these duffel bags were left behind in the chaos and not a single weapon was displayed despite being in numbers inside the capital building.
 

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No he didn't. You ever really carry a weapon? They are heavy. Especially a bunch of them in duffel bags. Where did all these duffel bags go? They run with them? Funny how none of these duffel bags were left behind in the chaos and not a single weapon was displayed despite being in numbers inside the capital building.
My guess would be vehicles although I didn't specifically ask where they kept them. Do you think the first moment any of these people met was on the steps of the Capitol? This was organized well and he met many people before, during, and after they were on site. Why is it such an important part of the narrative that nobody brought guns? Wouldn't it be more shocking if this particular demographic didn't?
 

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My guess would be vehicles although I didn't specifically ask where they kept them. Do you think the first moment any of these people met was on the steps of the Capitol? This was organized well and he met many people before, during, and after they were on site. Why is it such an important part of the narrative that nobody brought guns? Wouldn't it be more shocking if this particular demographic didn't?
If they had them they would have shown up on video or one of these fake warriors would have displayed it. The story you are telling makes zero sense. None.
 
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Raglefant

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If they had them they would have shown up on video or one of these fake warriors would have displayed it. The story you are telling makes zero sense. None.
Because of the part about having guns? That's asinine. I have no reason to believe he was lying. None. He had tons of video on his phone from the event.
 

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He said that it was extremely well organized. He saw many dufflebags filled with essentially military weapons. Said that his group of 6 guys (from California) were there to do whatever Trump wanted. If he had declared that he wasn't leaving office, they would have stayed in DC for as long as needed, joined his militia, and guarded Trump and the White House. Said that's what he and his group were hoping for.

He said they believed they were on a mission to save America. Said that it was Giuliani who got the crowd fired up the most to storm the capitol. The mission was to secure the actual official electoral documents before they could be certified. He believed that if they physically prevented that certification from occurring before midnight, then law would dictate that Trump remain in the White House. He recalls Giuliani saying that they were going to exercise "Jury by Execution" and that got him and those around him pumped up to take any action necessary. He said he was ready to kill people who stood in their way and he felt justified in doing that if needed. He recalls multiple people saying that they might have to eliminate the Vice President.

Once they got to the Capitol and he saw police officers being attacked, his feelings changed and he realized what they were doing wasn't right. He was inside, wouldn't tell me specifics of what he had done while inside, but when he emerged he came upon a police officer being beaten by a group of people. He got involved and with a few others got between the mob and the officer and fought/talked them back and escorted the officer to safety.

He was found and interviewed by the FBI and not charged. He believes it's because he helped that officer. He believes that the election was stolen and that Trump is our lawful President. I asked him specifically why he believes that and he said because Trump said so, that's it.
So you spoke to a very ignorant individual
 

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Because of the part about having guns? That's asinine. I have no reason to believe he was lying. None. He had tons of video on his phone from the event.
Yes because of the part about having guns. Zero chance what he was saying is true.

If he was there in the capacity he claims he would have also been identified and prosecuted by now

The man is a liar. A very strange stolen Valor liar

If you think he is telling the truth call the fbi today and turn his ass in... he is bragging about trying violently overthrow the government according to what he and now ypy are claiming
 

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This might be the funniest post I've seen on HORT.
Here you go storyteller. Turn him in. You have a civic duty to do so.

 

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Here you go storyteller. Turn him in. You have a civic duty to do so.

It's even funnier that you don't know which part is humorous.
 
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Raglefant

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Yes because of the part about having guns. Zero chance what he was saying is true.

If he was there in the capacity he claims he would have also been identified and prosecuted by now

The man is a liar. A very strange stolen Valor liar

If you think he is telling the truth call the fbi today and turn his ass in... he is bragging about trying violently overthrow the government according to what he and now ypy are claiming
So you're on here digging in your heels and you didn't even read my original post all the way thru. Smart.

Wait... do you not think Jan 6 happened???
 

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Yes because of the part about having guns. Zero chance what he was saying is true.

If he was there in the capacity he claims he would have also been identified and prosecuted by now

The man is a liar. A very strange stolen Valor liar

If you think he is telling the truth call the fbi today and turn his ass in... he is bragging about trying violently overthrow the government according to what he and now ypy are claiming
You are so dumb, lol.

Yes, Capitol Rioters Were Armed. Here Are The Weapons Prosecutors Say They Used​


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In the wake of the Jan. 6 insurrection at the U.S. Capitol, a popular narrative has emerged: that because rioters did not fire guns that day, they were not really "armed."

But a review of the federal charges against the alleged rioters shows that they did come armed, and with a variety of weapons: stun guns, pepper spray, baseball bats and flagpoles wielded as clubs. An additional suspect also allegedly planted pipe bombs by the headquarters of the Democratic and Republican parties the night before the riot and remains at large.

Those weapons brought violence and chaos to the Capitol. Capitol Police officer Brian Sicknick died one day after two rioters allegedly sprayed him and other officers with what prosecutors describe as an "unknown chemical substance." Four other people in the crowd died in the insurrection, and more than 100 police officers suffered injuries, including cracked ribs, gouged eyes and shattered spinal disks.

Some supporters of former President Donald Trump have argued that the dangerousness of the Capitol rioters has been overblown. Sen. Ron Johnson, R-Wis., has said, for example, "This didn't seem like an armed insurrection to me."

Others have echoed that view, and conservative and pro-Trump media, like Breitbart, The Epoch Times and the Washington Examiner, have seized on the congressional testimony of FBI Assistant Director Jill Sanborn, who said the bureau did not confiscate firearms from suspects that day. But FBI spokesperson Carol Cratty told NPR that Sanborn was talking only specifically about arrests by the FBI, and not other police agencies that made arrests on the day of the riot — including arrests of people allegedly carrying guns.

The Capitol siege: The cases behind the biggest criminal investigation in U.S. history

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The Capitol Siege: The Arrested And Their Stories



Police officers have a much different memory of that day. "I've talked to officers who have done two tours in Iraq who said this was scarier to them than their time in combat," Robert J. Contee III, the acting chief of Washington, D.C.'s Metropolitan Police Department, said in January. At the time of his comments, he had just spoken with an officer who was attacked with a rioter's stun gun.

Federal court records, included in NPR's database of more than 300 criminal cases, allege that at least three dozen people who took part in the riot used or possessed some kind of weapon that day.

This number is likely a low estimate of the total number of weapons that rioters brought with them. As the Justice Department has noted in court filings, "no crowd member submitted to security screenings or weapons checks by Capitol Police or other authorized security officials." Most of the people who stormed the Capitol were not arrested during the riot itself. Many are still at large.

"This was a pretty heavily armed crew of people compared to what you usually see at protests," said Heidi Beirich, a co-founder of the Global Project Against Hate and Extremism. "Even when you see people who are armed at protests in states, for example, where they have open-carry laws, they aren't storming into a building using the weapons in the way that we saw at the Capitol."

Lorenzo Boyd, a former director of the Center for Advanced Policing at the University of New Haven, called attempts to downplay the deadliness of the weapons used on Jan. 6 a "false narrative."

"There were a lot of weapons that could be lethal weapons as applied," said Boyd. In his view, the fact that the rioters were armed with a variety of weapons clearly contributed to the Capitol Police's failure to protect the building. "If you see a lot of resistance and you're being outgunned, outmanned, outpowered, you tend to kind of fall back a little bit," said Boyd.

Beirich said downplaying the violence also undermines efforts to combat domestic extremism more generally.

"There is a reluctance on the part of some in conservative circles to accept that domestic terrorism is largely coming from right-wing extremist groups," said Beirich.
 
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