Spoke with a man who was there January 6.

tarheelbybirth

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What is amazing is you just made the point and don't even realize it.
God...your stupidity is absolutely rank. It is beyond plausibility that you are as f'n idiotic as you're portraying here. The majority of people who stormed the Capitol were those who were inside the cordon...those who were NOT allowed to bring weapons to the rally, you moronic dolt. You are looking absolutely dumber with each post and one would think there was a floor but you continually lower that bar...so...kudos?
 
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I am not torbee.... I do however share in his fondness for all things westend. His knowledge of good pizza, beer, and fine establishments allows me to look past his attraction towards redheads, and of lesser significance, his political leanings.





(You guys really need to lay off the politics and realize we all want 98% of the same shit.)
To me, this isn't a political thread.

It's a law and order thread.
 
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Damnit


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O damn it, now it's making it a Still frame..

@mike your site is phunked,
 
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God...your stupidity is absolutely rank. It is beyond plausibility that you are as f'n idiotic as you're portraying here. The majority of people who stormed the Capitol were those who were inside the cordon...those who were NOT allowed to bring weapons to the rally, you moronic dolt. You are looking absolutely dumber with each post and one would think there was a floor but you continually lower that bar...so...kudos?
This is what was posited genius. If this is true the fbi does not let those man walk. Ever. So you are either a liar or he is the liar. He was there. He had videos according to you. He had knowledge of the plan and the weapons. He was in the Capito building. WAS interviewed by the fbi and let go despite multiple others with lesser engagement being prosecuted. You are lying as is this friend if yours. By the way uoh must be fairly trusted by this guy for him to be so very open with you about his criminal involvement.

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He said that it was extremely well organized. He saw many dufflebags filled with essentially military weapons. Said that his group of 6 guys (from California) were there to do whatever Trump wanted. If he had declared that he wasn't leaving office, they would have stayed in DC for as long as needed, joined his militia, and guarded Trump and the White House. Said that's what he and his group were hoping for.

He said they believed they were on a mission to save America. Said that it was Giuliani who got the crowd fired up the most to storm the capitol. The mission was to secure the actual official electoral documents before they could be certified. He believed that if they physically prevented that certification from occurring before midnight, then law would dictate that Trump remain in the White House. He recalls Giuliani saying that they were going to exercise "Jury by Execution" and that got him and those around him pumped up to take any action necessary. He said he was ready to kill people who stood in their way and he felt justified in doing that if needed. He recalls multiple people saying that they might have to eliminate the Vice President.

Once they got to the Capitol and he saw police officers being attacked, his feelings changed and he realized what they were doing wasn't right. He was inside, wouldn't tell me specifics of what he had done while inside, but when he emerged he came upon a police officer being beaten by a group of people. He got involved and with a few others got between the mob and the officer and fought/talked them back and escorted the officer to safety.

He was found and interviewed by the FBI and not charged. He believes it's because he helped that officer. He believes that the election was stolen and that Trump is our lawful President. I asked him specifically why he believes that and he said because Trump said so, that's it.
 
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This is what was posited genius. If this is true the fbi does not let those man walk. Ever. So you are either a liar or he is the liar. He was there. He had videos according to you. He had knowledge of the plan and the weapons. He was in the Capito building. WAS interviewed by the fbi and let go despite multiple others with lesser engagement being prosecuted. You are lying as is this friend if yours. By the way uoh must be fairly trusted by this guy for him to be so very open with you about his criminal involvement.

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He said that it was extremely well organized. He saw many dufflebags filled with essentially military weapons. Said that his group of 6 guys (from California) were there to do whatever Trump wanted. If he had declared that he wasn't leaving office, they would have stayed in DC for as long as needed, joined his militia, and guarded Trump and the White House. Said that's what he and his group were hoping for.

He said they believed they were on a mission to save America. Said that it was Giuliani who got the crowd fired up the most to storm the capitol. The mission was to secure the actual official electoral documents before they could be certified. He believed that if they physically prevented that certification from occurring before midnight, then law would dictate that Trump remain in the White House. He recalls Giuliani saying that they were going to exercise "Jury by Execution" and that got him and those around him pumped up to take any action necessary. He said he was ready to kill people who stood in their way and he felt justified in doing that if needed. He recalls multiple people saying that they might have to eliminate the Vice President.

Once they got to the Capitol and he saw police officers being attacked, his feelings changed and he realized what they were doing wasn't right. He was inside, wouldn't tell me specifics of what he had done while inside, but when he emerged he came upon a police officer being beaten by a group of people. He got involved and with a few others got between the mob and the officer and fought/talked them back and escorted the officer to safety.

He was found and interviewed by the FBI and not charged. He believes it's because he helped that officer. He believes that the election was stolen and that Trump is our lawful President. I asked him specifically why he believes that and he said because Trump said so, that's it.
Everyone there had video and knew the plan. I'm sure many saw weapons, that you think everyone who did will disclose that is baffling. He was in the capitol, but was on video helping an officer, which seems like a plausible reason that he wasn't charged. They didn't charge every person there. Your insistence that he did more than he did just to make it sound amazing that he wasn't charged just so you can call his story bullshit is really weird.
 

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Right, on Tfxhawk's part. But others, including more thoughtful right leaning posters such as @Jan Itor and @Whiskeydeltadeltatango actually do adjust their beliefs based on actual evidence.

I like to encourage folks like that to keep an open mind. When you have dead-enders like Tfxhawk peddling their lies, however, the water can be muddied.

I mean, the guy actually tried to say there were NO GUNS RECOVERED from Jan. 6 rioters. That was easily disproved with a very cursory courtsonline search.
Do not say my name. ;)
 

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Wrong alt. I'm actually Torbee.

This is what was posited genius. If this is true the fbi does not let those man walk. Ever. So you are either a liar or he is the liar. He was there. He had videos according to you. He had knowledge of the plan and the weapons. He was in the Capito building. WAS interviewed by the fbi and let go despite multiple others with lesser engagement being prosecuted. You are lying as is this friend if yours. By the way uoh must be fairly trusted by this guy for him to be so very open with you about his criminal involvement.

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He said that it was extremely well organized. He saw many dufflebags filled with essentially military weapons. Said that his group of 6 guys (from California) were there to do whatever Trump wanted. If he had declared that he wasn't leaving office, they would have stayed in DC for as long as needed, joined his militia, and guarded Trump and the White House. Said that's what he and his group were hoping for.

He said they believed they were on a mission to save America. Said that it was Giuliani who got the crowd fired up the most to storm the capitol. The mission was to secure the actual official electoral documents before they could be certified. He believed that if they physically prevented that certification from occurring before midnight, then law would dictate that Trump remain in the White House. He recalls Giuliani saying that they were going to exercise "Jury by Execution" and that got him and those around him pumped up to take any action necessary. He said he was ready to kill people who stood in their way and he felt justified in doing that if needed. He recalls multiple people saying that they might have to eliminate the Vice President.

Once they got to the Capitol and he saw police officers being attacked, his feelings changed and he realized what they were doing wasn't right. He was inside, wouldn't tell me specifics of what he had done while inside, but when he emerged he came upon a police officer being beaten by a group of people. He got involved and with a few others got between the mob and the officer and fought/talked them back and escorted the officer to safety.

He was found and interviewed by the FBI and not charged. He believes it's because he helped that officer. He believes that the election was stolen and that Trump is our lawful President. I asked him specifically why he believes that and he said because Trump said so, that's it.
Hey, dumbass...you called out the wrong person. You're even dumber than I thought. And I thought that idea impossible.
 

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You are so dumb, lol.

Yes, Capitol Rioters Were Armed. Here Are The Weapons Prosecutors Say They Used​


Heard on Morning Edition

In the wake of the Jan. 6 insurrection at the U.S. Capitol, a popular narrative has emerged: that because rioters did not fire guns that day, they were not really "armed."

But a review of the federal charges against the alleged rioters shows that they did come armed, and with a variety of weapons: stun guns, pepper spray, baseball bats and flagpoles wielded as clubs. An additional suspect also allegedly planted pipe bombs by the headquarters of the Democratic and Republican parties the night before the riot and remains at large.

Those weapons brought violence and chaos to the Capitol. Capitol Police officer Brian Sicknick died one day after two rioters allegedly sprayed him and other officers with what prosecutors describe as an "unknown chemical substance." Four other people in the crowd died in the insurrection, and more than 100 police officers suffered injuries, including cracked ribs, gouged eyes and shattered spinal disks.

Some supporters of former President Donald Trump have argued that the dangerousness of the Capitol rioters has been overblown. Sen. Ron Johnson, R-Wis., has said, for example, "This didn't seem like an armed insurrection to me."

Others have echoed that view, and conservative and pro-Trump media, like Breitbart, The Epoch Times and the Washington Examiner, have seized on the congressional testimony of FBI Assistant Director Jill Sanborn, who said the bureau did not confiscate firearms from suspects that day. But FBI spokesperson Carol Cratty told NPR that Sanborn was talking only specifically about arrests by the FBI, and not other police agencies that made arrests on the day of the riot — including arrests of people allegedly carrying guns.

The Capitol siege: The cases behind the biggest criminal investigation in U.S. history

INVESTIGATIONS

The Capitol Siege: The Arrested And Their Stories



Police officers have a much different memory of that day. "I've talked to officers who have done two tours in Iraq who said this was scarier to them than their time in combat," Robert J. Contee III, the acting chief of Washington, D.C.'s Metropolitan Police Department, said in January. At the time of his comments, he had just spoken with an officer who was attacked with a rioter's stun gun.

Federal court records, included in NPR's database of more than 300 criminal cases, allege that at least three dozen people who took part in the riot used or possessed some kind of weapon that day.

This number is likely a low estimate of the total number of weapons that rioters brought with them. As the Justice Department has noted in court filings, "no crowd member submitted to security screenings or weapons checks by Capitol Police or other authorized security officials." Most of the people who stormed the Capitol were not arrested during the riot itself. Many are still at large.

"This was a pretty heavily armed crew of people compared to what you usually see at protests," said Heidi Beirich, a co-founder of the Global Project Against Hate and Extremism. "Even when you see people who are armed at protests in states, for example, where they have open-carry laws, they aren't storming into a building using the weapons in the way that we saw at the Capitol."

Lorenzo Boyd, a former director of the Center for Advanced Policing at the University of New Haven, called attempts to downplay the deadliness of the weapons used on Jan. 6 a "false narrative."

"There were a lot of weapons that could be lethal weapons as applied," said Boyd. In his view, the fact that the rioters were armed with a variety of weapons clearly contributed to the Capitol Police's failure to protect the building. "If you see a lot of resistance and you're being outgunned, outmanned, outpowered, you tend to kind of fall back a little bit," said Boyd.

Beirich said downplaying the violence also undermines efforts to combat domestic extremism more generally.

"There is a reluctance on the part of some in conservative circles to accept that domestic terrorism is largely coming from right-wing extremist groups," said Beirich.
So was it a duffel bag of flag poles? LOL
 

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I watched a special made by "TheEpochTimes.com yesterday and they actually show the guy shooting Ashli Babbit, and the police pushing people off the balcony and out the door. They were firing tear gas into an entryway, and this is what killed Ms. Boyland. (By sucking the breathable air out) They go into all of the details of Rosanne Boyland's death and conduct an extensive interview with Victoria White, a woman who was beaten arbitrarily and ruthlessly by the police. It is all backed by video and is quite unbelievable.

The guy who shot Ashli just pulled his gun, aimed and shot her through the window with no warning. An officer standing right next to him pulled his pistol and aimed but thought better of it and did not shoot.

I did not notice ANY weapons in the crowd, but the police certainly had a bunch.

The video is 1 1/2 hours long and is free if you go to their site.

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In any case, I am guessing that this will be like Woodstock. In a few years' time, everyone you meet will claim to have been on site that day.
 
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I watched a special made by "TheEpochTimes.com yesterday and they actually show the guy shooting Ashley Babbit, and the police pushing people off the balcony and out the door. They were firing tear gas into an entryway, and this is what killed Ms. Boyland. (By sucking the breathable air out) They go into all of the details of Rosanne Boyland's death and conduct an extensive interview with Victoria White. It is all backed by video and is quite unbelievable.

The guy who shot Ashley just pulled his gun, aimed and shot her through the window with no warning. An officer standing right next to him pulled his pistol and aimed but thought better of it and did not shoot.

I did not notice ANY weapons in the crowd, but the police certainly had a bunch.

The video is 1 1/2 hours long and is free if you go to their site.

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In any case, I am guessing that this will be like Woodstock. In a few years' time, everyone you meet will claim to have been on site that day.
LOL...more likely you won't be able to find many people at all willing to admit they were there. As for Babbitt and Boyland...I sure hope you're kidding.
 
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I watched a special made by "TheEpochTimes.com yesterday and they actually show the guy shooting Ashley Babbit, and the police pushing people off the balcony and out the door. They were firing tear gas into an entryway, and this is what killed Ms. Boyland. (By sucking the breathable air out) They go into all of the details of Rosanne Boyland's death and conduct an extensive interview with Victoria White. It is all backed by video and is quite unbelievable.

The guy who shot Ashley just pulled his gun, aimed and shot her through the window with no warning. An officer standing right next to him pulled his pistol and aimed but thought better of it and did not shoot.

I did not notice ANY weapons in the crowd, but the police certainly had a bunch.

The video is 1 1/2 hours long and is free if you go to their site.

.................................................................................................................................

In any case, I am guessing that this will be like Woodstock. In a few years' time, everyone you meet will claim to have been on site that day.
It’s a bummer that second guy put his gun away. Should have been a volley of gunfire to clear the Capitol of seditious traitors and really sent a message, IMO.

That would probably have helped us avoid a lot of this ongoing nonsense.
 

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He said that it was extremely well organized. He saw many dufflebags filled with essentially military weapons. Said that his group of 6 guys (from California) were there to do whatever Trump wanted. If he had declared that he wasn't leaving office, they would have stayed in DC for as long as needed, joined his militia, and guarded Trump and the White House. Said that's what he and his group were hoping for.

He said they believed they were on a mission to save America. Said that it was Giuliani who got the crowd fired up the most to storm the capitol. The mission was to secure the actual official electoral documents before they could be certified. He believed that if they physically prevented that certification from occurring before midnight, then law would dictate that Trump remain in the White House. He recalls Giuliani saying that they were going to exercise "Jury by Execution" and that got him and those around him pumped up to take any action necessary. He said he was ready to kill people who stood in their way and he felt justified in doing that if needed. He recalls multiple people saying that they might have to eliminate the Vice President.

Once they got to the Capitol and he saw police officers being attacked, his feelings changed and he realized what they were doing wasn't right. He was inside, wouldn't tell me specifics of what he had done while inside, but when he emerged he came upon a police officer being beaten by a group of people. He got involved and with a few others got between the mob and the officer and fought/talked them back and escorted the officer to safety.

He was found and interviewed by the FBI and not charged. He believes it's because he helped that officer. He believes that the election was stolen and that Trump is our lawful President. I asked him specifically why he believes that and he said because Trump said so, that's it.
Good for you OP. I get pretty uncomfortable when I know I'm speaking to a lunatic. You stayed in and asked the follow up question, good work.

I'd have been gone the moment I heard they brought weapons on Jan 6. I'd have missed all the rest.
 

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This guy ever think he would have to fight a real military for this surrounding the Whitehouse shit? More like he finally got a dose of reality when he came across the cop get beat. I feel most of these tough guys would piss themselves if they faced off with some real professionals.
Or if they are involved in a fair fight. The videos I've seen from Oathkeeper, Buggers, etc. They usually outnumber their targets at least 10 to 1
 

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He said that it was extremely well organized. He saw many dufflebags filled with essentially military weapons. Said that his group of 6 guys (from California) were there to do whatever Trump wanted. If he had declared that he wasn't leaving office, they would have stayed in DC for as long as needed, joined his militia, and guarded Trump and the White House. Said that's what he and his group were hoping for.

He said they believed they were on a mission to save America. Said that it was Giuliani who got the crowd fired up the most to storm the capitol. The mission was to secure the actual official electoral documents before they could be certified. He believed that if they physically prevented that certification from occurring before midnight, then law would dictate that Trump remain in the White House. He recalls Giuliani saying that they were going to exercise "Jury by Execution" and that got him and those around him pumped up to take any action necessary. He said he was ready to kill people who stood in their way and he felt justified in doing that if needed. He recalls multiple people saying that they might have to eliminate the Vice President.

Once they got to the Capitol and he saw police officers being attacked, his feelings changed and he realized what they were doing wasn't right. He was inside, wouldn't tell me specifics of what he had done while inside, but when he emerged he came upon a police officer being beaten by a group of people. He got involved and with a few others got between the mob and the officer and fought/talked them back and escorted the officer to safety.

He was found and interviewed by the FBI and not charged. He believes it's because he helped that officer. He believes that the election was stolen and that Trump is our lawful President. I asked him specifically why he believes that and he said because Trump said so, that's it.
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No doubt Chis is fapping to that story right now.
 

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This guy thinks he's the main character and he's a hero lol

I hope your IQ didn't drop too far while you were talking to this person. Looks like you can still make complete sentences, so that's a good sign.
How ****ing high must an IQ be to understand why Ashli Babbitt can't complete sentences these days, Slick?
 

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Lying to your supporters has negative consequences.
Always interesting to see the back flips people do to dismiss Jan. 6. It's not as if every revolution is bloody at the beginning. It was weeks before the Russians executed the Czar and his family.
Things could have gone sideways in a hurry if the FBI rescue team didn't step in. Or if a couple of the Oathkeepers caught Mitt Romney in the hallways.
 
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How ****ing high must an IQ be to understand why Ashli Babbitt can't complete sentences these days, Slick?
Lol Wut? Ashli Babbitt also thought she was the main character during a staged coup attempt orchestrated by the former President of the United States and his top advisors. Ashli Babbitt can't complete sentences because she bought into the rhetoric put on by the former President of the United States and his advisors to overthrow our government.

Rather than getting sensitive and upset about people pointing out the obvious, you should be upset that Donald Trump and his cronies took advantage of a group of people who lack intelligence (Yours, and my American brothers and sisters). They took advantage of them and convinced them they were saving America. Now those same people are going to be spending years of their life in federal prison while Trump avoids any punishment at all. That's what you should be getting upset about. Wake up dude.
 

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It’s a bummer that second guy put his gun away. Should have been a volley of gunfire to clear the Capitol of seditious traitors and really sent a message, IMO.

That would probably have helped us avoid a lot of this ongoing nonsense.
Actually, Ashli was in a small crowd of guys who were breaking out the window. While they were clearly identifiable, they have escaped both being shot at and prosecution. The theory of the narrator was that these were the "inside" guys ... The police accomplices supposedly.

I wonder what would have happened had one of the "agents" managed to get shot.

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As to ongoing nonsense, these same issues will dominate the news cycles at least until 2025-2026. There is no avoidance strategy available.
 
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Actually, Ashley was in a small crowd of guys who were breaking out the window. While they were clearly identifiable, they have escaped both being shot at and prosecution. The theory of the narrator was that these were the "inside" guys ... The police accomplices supposedly.

I wonder what would have happened had one of the "agents" managed to get shot.

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As to ongoing nonsense, these same issues will dominate the news cycles at least until 2025-2026. There is no avoidance strategy available.
Titus's posts should be moved to "Should we take the interwebz away from old people" thread.
 

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Titus's posts should be moved to "Should we take the interwebz away from old people" thread.
I do have a birthday coming up in three days or so. (The 25th). I will not be celebrating much because of age-related issues, but you are welcome to drink a half bottle or so of Single Malt Whisky in celebration.

I am delighted to find that you are concerned about my well-being.
 
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I do have a birthday coming up in three days or so. (The 25th). I will not be celebrating much because of age-related issues, but you are welcome to drink a half bottle or so of Single Malt Whisky in celebration.

I am delighted to find that you are concerned about my well-being.
I will drink a glass of my Lagavulin 16 this weekend while praying you can escape the allure of conspiracy theories going forward.

Slàinte!
 

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Lol Wut? Ashli Babbitt also thought she was the main character during a staged coup attempt orchestrated by the former President of the United States and his top advisors. Ashli Babbitt can't complete sentences because she bought into the rhetoric put on by the former President of the United States and his advisors to overthrow our government.

Rather than getting sensitive and upset about people pointing out the obvious, you should be upset that Donald Trump and his cronies took advantage of a group of people who lack intelligence (Yours, and my American brothers and sisters). They took advantage of them and convinced them they were saving America. Now those same people are going to be spending years of their life in federal prison while Trump avoids any punishment at all. That's what you should be getting upset about. Wake up dude.

Lol Wut? Ashli Babbitt also thought she was the main character during a staged coup attempt orchestrated by the former President of the United States and his top advisors. Ashli Babbitt can't complete sentences because she bought into the rhetoric put on by the former President of the United States and his advisors to overthrow our government.

Rather than getting sensitive and upset about people pointing out the obvious, you should be upset that Donald Trump and his cronies took advantage of a group of people who lack intelligence (Yours, and my American brothers and sisters). They took advantage of them and convinced them they were saving America. Now those same people are going to be spending years of their life in federal prison while Trump avoids any punishment at all. That's what you should be getting upset about. Wake up dude.
Wake up, lol - I don't know what you're even getting at... that perhaps I'm unaware of who Trump is or perhaps I just don't pay attention to the "whole picture."

I felt the comment that I originally replied to lacked insight and excused facts on a whim without offering anything to refute the facts in the original post.

My comment about Ashli Babbitt was relevant because you were quick to sweep facts under the rug just like Ashli did.

I'm fully aware of the many ways Trump is a danger to our democracy, however I don't think you are.