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What follows is a column by Steward Mandel, now with Fox, formerly with SI. Yes, Mandel in July 2013 called KF one of the 5 worst coaches in college football; see http://www.si.com/college-football/2013/07/08/best-worst-college-football-coaches

After you check out the story below, you might want to visit the link, where there is also a podcast where Mandel discusses Iowa. Here is the story and podcast link http://www.foxsports.com/college-fo...n-cook-michigan-state-michigan-mailbag-102115



Mailbag: How Ferentz is pulling off a rare feat with No. 12 Iowa
Hawkeyes coach survived extended period of mediocrity without getting fired -- and has stuck around long enough for resurgence


By Stewart Mandel Oct 21, 2015 at 10:00a ET


How many of you have the TimeHop app on your phone? I'm kind of addicted to it. And I particularly love looking back at old tweets this time of year because they're basically a time capsule into the past six college football seasons.

Just the other day, in fact, a tweet directed me to a story I wrote the night of the thrilling Florida State-Notre Dame game a year ago last weekend, which mentioned offhandedly that the 'Noles were "one of just five* undefeated teams left." That seemed awfully low to me considering that a year later**, we still have ... 14.

* -- Upon fact-checking this, I found there were in fact six. I apparently forgot about Marshall . . . just like the selection committee.

** -- Technically, this season started a week later, but most teams had an extra bye during the first half of 2014, so it evens out.


Some of these unbeatens will start losing soon enough, but if I'm putting money down on who goes down first, No. 3 Utah is a much safer bet than No. 12 Iowa. In fact, given their remaining schedule, there are probably 13 teams I'd take before the Hawkeyes.



Can you recall a coach with as miraculous a turnaround as Kirk Ferentz of Iowa has engineered this season? He has gone from boosters trying to find a way to buy out his contract to a national coach of the year candidate. More shockingly, he's done it by overhauling his approach . . . in his 17th season.


-- Blake M., Minnetonka, Minn.



"Miraculous" seems a bit strong -- we'll reserve that for when Purdue starts 7-0 -- but it is unquestionably rare in today's climate for A) a coach to stay at one school for 17 seasons, B) that coach to go through an extended period of mediocrity and not get fired, and C) actually turn things back around.

Nine times out of 10, when a coach's program starts slipping, everyone panics and assumes there's no getting it back on track. If not for that monstrous buyout, Ferentz would have likely lost his job by now. Meanwhile, other recent coaches in much the same position (Bobby Bowden, Mack Brown) kept hanging around and firing coordinators in a desperate attempt to recapture their edge. Ferentz, by contrast, did not make one staff change after last year's disappointing 7-6 season.


To Iowa fans' credit, many remained loyal to their two-time BCS coach through all those Insight and TaxSlayer Bowl seasons. Many lashed out at me for including him on a list of the five worst coaches in the country in the summer of 2013. (In another testament to Ferentz's longevity, the other four on the list were all later fired.) But his support had definitely waned. Season-ticket sales had reportedly declined by about 25 percent from 2010 to '14. I did not see any rosy preseason predictions about the Hawkeyes.


Fast-forward to mid-October, and Iowa is 7-0 with a remaining schedule of five foes (Maryland, Indiana, Minnesota, Purdue and Nebraska) with a combined conference record of 2-12.


It's not an exact parallel, but "Ferentz 3.0," as this resurgence has been dubbed, reminds me of Joe Paterno's late-career renaissance a decade ago. Paterno suffered four losing seasons in five years, including 4-7 in 2004, only to turn around and win 11 games and a Big Ten title in '05. I don't believe any coach today -- save perhaps for Bill Snyder -- could dip that far and still stick around long enough to enjoy that payoff. Ferentz by comparison had only one truly bad season (4-8 in 2012). Just something to keep in mind later this season as we watch which fan bases try to run off their established but struggling coaches.
 
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(Disclaimer: as hawk fans we do not talk about history unless it benefits our narrative.)
 
2015 Season - Your mighty HAWKS with the Best coach ever in CFB and Best team ever in CFB (Disclaimer: as hawk fans we do not talk about history unless it benefits our narrative.)
Your trolling is leading me to believe you have an unhealthy obsession with the Hawkeyes, dude.
 
2015 Season - Your mighty HAWKS with the Best coach ever in CFB and Best team ever in CFB (Disclaimer: as hawk fans we do not talk about history unless it benefits our narrative.)
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What follows is a column by Steward Mandel, now with Fox, formerly with SI. Yes, Mandel in July 2013 called KF one of the 5 worst coaches in college football; see http://www.si.com/college-football/2013/07/08/best-worst-college-football-coaches

After you check out the story below, you might want to visit the link, where there is also a podcast where Mandel discusses Iowa. Here is the story and podcast link http://www.foxsports.com/college-fo...n-cook-michigan-state-michigan-mailbag-102115



Mailbag: How Ferentz is pulling off a rare feat with No. 12 Iowa
Hawkeyes coach survived extended period of mediocrity without getting fired -- and has stuck around long enough for resurgence


By Stewart Mandel Oct 21, 2015 at 10:00a ET


How many of you have the TimeHop app on your phone? I'm kind of addicted to it. And I particularly love looking back at old tweets this time of year because they're basically a time capsule into the past six college football seasons.

Just the other day, in fact, a tweet directed me to a story I wrote the night of the thrilling Florida State-Notre Dame game a year ago last weekend, which mentioned offhandedly that the 'Noles were "one of just five* undefeated teams left." That seemed awfully low to me considering that a year later**, we still have ... 14.

* -- Upon fact-checking this, I found there were in fact six. I apparently forgot about Marshall . . . just like the selection committee.

** -- Technically, this season started a week later, but most teams had an extra bye during the first half of 2014, so it evens out.


Some of these unbeatens will start losing soon enough, but if I'm putting money down on who goes down first, No. 3 Utah is a much safer bet than No. 12 Iowa. In fact, given their remaining schedule, there are probably 13 teams I'd take before the Hawkeyes.



Can you recall a coach with as miraculous a turnaround as Kirk Ferentz of Iowa has engineered this season? He has gone from boosters trying to find a way to buy out his contract to a national coach of the year candidate. More shockingly, he's done it by overhauling his approach . . . in his 17th season.


-- Blake M., Minnetonka, Minn.



"Miraculous" seems a bit strong -- we'll reserve that for when Purdue starts 7-0 -- but it is unquestionably rare in today's climate for A) a coach to stay at one school for 17 seasons, B) that coach to go through an extended period of mediocrity and not get fired, and C) actually turn things back around.

Nine times out of 10, when a coach's program starts slipping, everyone panics and assumes there's no getting it back on track. If not for that monstrous buyout, Ferentz would have likely lost his job by now. Meanwhile, other recent coaches in much the same position (Bobby Bowden, Mack Brown) kept hanging around and firing coordinators in a desperate attempt to recapture their edge. Ferentz, by contrast, did not make one staff change after last year's disappointing 7-6 season.


To Iowa fans' credit, many remained loyal to their two-time BCS coach through all those Insight and TaxSlayer Bowl seasons. Many lashed out at me for including him on a list of the five worst coaches in the country in the summer of 2013. (In another testament to Ferentz's longevity, the other four on the list were all later fired.) But his support had definitely waned. Season-ticket sales had reportedly declined by about 25 percent from 2010 to '14. I did not see any rosy preseason predictions about the Hawkeyes.


Fast-forward to mid-October, and Iowa is 7-0 with a remaining schedule of five foes (Maryland, Indiana, Minnesota, Purdue and Nebraska) with a combined conference record of 2-12.


It's not an exact parallel, but "Ferentz 3.0," as this resurgence has been dubbed, reminds me of Joe Paterno's late-career renaissance a decade ago. Paterno suffered four losing seasons in five years, including 4-7 in 2004, only to turn around and win 11 games and a Big Ten title in '05. I don't believe any coach today -- save perhaps for Bill Snyder -- could dip that far and still stick around long enough to enjoy that payoff. Ferentz by comparison had only one truly bad season (4-8 in 2012). Just something to keep in mind later this season as we watch which fan bases try to run off their established but struggling coaches.

There are so many 'untruths' or assumptions in this article, I don't know where to start. How about: "the boosters were trying to find a way to buy out his contract'. I would certainly love to see this statement verified. And I don't know what he means by 'no staff changes'. First of all, he brought in a new recruiting coordinator who is coaching defense and he moved Woods to TEs, so this a totally inaccurate statement.
" If not for that monstrous buyout, Ferentz would have likely lost his job by now". Does have any evidence of this?
Sports writers and recruiting services, etc. just exist as entertainment and to draw attention to themselves so the can sell more advertising. Nothing more, nothing less. None of them have any credibility. Take all of it with a grain of salt.
 
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It's a better story if Iowa had been a dog-crap program for the last 5 years, but that is not objectively true. Only the 2012 team was "bad." The 2010 was actually good, nationally ranked and relevant, but lost close games to other good teams before throwing in the towel late. The 2011 and 2014 teams were mediocre. Typical 4-4 Big 10 teams that were neither punching bags nor nationally relevant. The 2013 team was a borderline Top 25 team.

KF got flack because he made a lot of money and mediocrity is hard to accept when someone has been around as long as KF. But the program never went off the rails. This wasn't a blueblood program that couldn't win like PSU, Bowden's FSU teams, post Meyer Florida, or whatever Texas is now. Iowa is a low-population state program that maintained mediocrity.
 
It's a better story if Iowa had been a dog-crap program for the last 5 years, but that is not objectively true. Only the 2012 team was "bad." The 2010 was actually good, nationally ranked and relevant, but lost close games to other good teams before throwing in the towel late. The 2011 and 2014 teams were mediocre. Typical 4-4 Big 10 teams that were neither punching bags nor nationally relevant. The 2013 team was a borderline Top 25 team.

KF got flack because he made a lot of money and mediocrity is hard to accept when someone has been around as long as KF. But the program never went off the rails. This wasn't a blueblood program that couldn't win like PSU, Bowden's FSU teams, post Meyer Florida, or whatever Texas is now. Iowa is a low-population state program that maintained mediocrity.

Don't you think it's all a matter of perspective and expectations? If Indiana had iowas record from 2010-2014 they would probably call it fairly successful. Ohio St. would call it mediocre to bad. So Iowa fans think we are or should be on the same level as Ohio St.? Well unless our alumni and boosters open up their pocketbooks and build churches for daddys and buy (or loan?) Escalades for QB's we aren't ever going to get the recruits they do. Plain and simple. Kirk would never allow it and I'm glad and proud that we are competitive while running one of the cleanest programs in the country. That means more to me (and many others) than wins and loses do sometimes. Don't get me wrong, I get frustrated as anyone when Iowa loses close games, and they have lost way to many of in that time frame, but I like to think that I keep things in perspective most of the time.
 
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Don't you think it's all a matter of perspective and expectations? If Indiana had iowas record from 2010-2014 they would probably call it fairly successful. Ohio St. would call it mediocre to bad. So Iowa fans think we are or should be on the same level as Ohio St.? Well unless our alumni and boosters open up their pocketbooks and build churches for daddys and buy (or loan?) Escalades for QB's we aren't ever going to get the recruits they do. Plain and simple. Kirk would never allow it and I'm glad and proud that we are competitive while running one of the cleanest programs in the country. That means more to me (and many others) than wins and loses do sometimes. Don't get me wrong, I get frustrated as anyone when Iowa loses close games, and they have lost way to many of in that time frame, but I like to think that I keep things in perspective most of the time.

When you get paid top 10 money, people expect top 10 results. While finishing in the top 10 eight years in a row is unrealistic for Iowa, finishing ranked once every 5 years certainly is under performing.
 
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I was trying to take "expectations" out of it. And just look at, compared, to the rest of college football, what type of teams we were fielding. Only the 2012 was a "bad" football team. Of course some programs have more natural advantages (population, historical prestige, money) that alters expectations. Ohio State will tolerate mediocrity less than Indiana.

The restlessness with KF was due to familiarity and perceived lack of hope. It seemed KF had settled Iowa into a mediocre program. And getting behind an old dog, who is paid a lot of money, without hope a better days is hard to do.

My ultimate point, however, was that a spike in success has always been feasible, because the program has never sank that low. We've maintained mediocrity. Easier to go from a 7-win program to a 10-win program then from a 4-win program to a 10-win program. The national media makes it sound like we've been Iowa State for the past 5 years, which we haven't been.
 
When you get paid top 10 money, people expect top 10 results. While finishing in the top 10 eight years in a row is unrealistic for Iowa, finishing ranked once every 5 years certainly is under performing.

Did he actually get top 10 money because they expected him to be in the top 10 every year? There are so many variables that went into the decision to give him that contract, plus with him in demand at the time, that was what the 'market' would bare at that time. Great job by his agent, don't you think. I'm sure if we got to see his contract, there are all kinds of expectations in it (graduation rates, bowl games, etc.) but I really doubt it says anything about being in the top 10 every year. You're trying to project your expectations on to others.
P.S. Show me where he has only been ranked once every 5 years. I personally don't think that is what you meant, but that is what you said.
 
Did he actually get top 10 money because they expected him to be in the top 10 every year? There are so many variables that went into the decision to give him that contract, plus with him in demand at the time, that was what the 'market' would bare at that time. Great job by his agent, don't you think. I'm sure if we got to see his contract, there are all kinds of expectations in it (graduation rates, bowl games, etc.) but I really doubt it says anything about being in the top 10 every year. You're trying to project your expectations on to others.
P.S. Show me where he has only been ranked once every 5 years. I personally don't think that is what you meant, but that is what you said.

I don't think many expected to be in the top 10 every year, but I think a lot of people expected them to finish the season ranked regularly. It wasn't until after last year when the heat on his job really started to get hot. He certainly has responded though. He'll be able to write a book about how he managed to turn it around.

You are right, I don't know know what the exact frequency of finishing the season ranked was but it had been a while, which is the point.
 
I was trying to take "expectations" out of it. And just look at, compared, to the rest of college football, what type of teams we were fielding. Only the 2012 was a "bad" football team. Of course some programs have more natural advantages (population, historical prestige, money) that alters expectations. Ohio State will tolerate mediocrity less than Indiana.

The restlessness with KF was due to familiarity and perceived lack of hope. It seemed KF had settled Iowa into a mediocre program. And getting behind an old dog, who is paid a lot of money, without hope a better days is hard to do.

My ultimate point, however, was that a spike in success has always been feasible, because the program has never sank that low. We've maintained mediocrity. Easier to go from a 7-win program to a 10-win program then from a 4-win program to a 10-win program. The national media makes it sound like we've been Iowa State for the past 5 years, which we haven't been.

I agree with this.
 
I was trying to take "expectations" out of it. And just look at, compared, to the rest of college football, what type of teams we were fielding. Only the 2012 was a "bad" football team. Of course some programs have more natural advantages (population, historical prestige, money) that alters expectations. Ohio State will tolerate mediocrity less than Indiana.

The restlessness with KF was due to familiarity and perceived lack of hope. It seemed KF had settled Iowa into a mediocre program. And getting behind an old dog, who is paid a lot of money, without hope a better days is hard to do.

My ultimate point, however, was that a spike in success has always been feasible, because the program has never sank that low. We've maintained mediocrity. Easier to go from a 7-win program to a 10-win program then from a 4-win program to a 10-win program. The national media makes it sound like we've been Iowa State for the past 5 years, which we haven't been.

Average to above average is not the same as mediocre. Everyone likes to use this word but it means 'not very good' and I don't think most of the coaches in the big ten would say Iowa has 'not been very good' in the last 5 years. I think the have been average to a little above average (2010=above average, 2012=below average, 2103=above average, etc.) and I think the 'definitions' support my opinion. I think everyone who keeps using the mediocrity term is bordering on the hyperbolic.
 
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I don't think many expected to be in the top 10 every year, but I think a lot of people expected them to finish the season ranked regularly. It wasn't until after last year when the heat on his job really started to get hot. He certainly has responded though. He'll be able to write a book about how he managed to turn it around.

You are right, I don't know know what the exact frequency of finishing the season ranked was but it had been a while, which is the point.

I don't think KF 'turned things around' because he was 'feeling the heat'. I think he was more disappointed in last year than any fan around and being as prideful as he is, was going to find some answers (his son alluded to this in his interview). You don't think he cares as much or more than the fans on this site? This man has spent almost his entire adult life in I.C., raised his family there. Given so much to so many. You don't think he has any pride? Do some of you really believe he was just 'mailing it in', like so many haters liked to say? I wish a lot of fans would get their emotions under control so they could think rationally.
Oh, I forgot, he's been purposely not playing the best players so that he can 'give the fans the finger' or whatever vitriol so called fans have been spewing on here the last year. Good grief people, get it together. Let's enjoy the year without any more of this nonsense.
 
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Don't forget better than Nebraska. Remember we got your coach fired so that you could bring in another coach and start the season 3-4.

Because Iowa > Nebraska........................
 
I don't think KF 'turned things around' because he was 'feeling the heat'. I think he was more disappointed in last year than any fan around and being as prideful as he is, was going to find some answers (his son alluded to this in his interview). You don't think he cares as much or more than the fans on this site? This man has spent almost his entire adult life in I.C., raised his family there. Given so much to so many. You don't think he has any pride? Do some of you really believe he was just 'mailing it in', like so many haters liked to say? I wish a lot of fans would get their emotions under control so they could think rationally.
Oh, I forgot, he's been purposely not playing the best players so that he can 'give the fans the finger' or whatever vitriol so called fans have been spewing on here the last year. Good grief people, get it together. Let's enjoy the year without any more of this nonsense.

You sure put a lot of words in my mouth with this. I never said any such thing. But you can have this argument with some other imaginary person if you would like.
 
Is that a "humble brag"?
(Disclaimer: as hawk fans we do not talk about history unless it benefits our narrative.)

Not sure which fan base is more entertaining, isu or nebraska? One is a "has-been" while the other is a "never-been".
 
Average to above average is not the same as mediocre. Everyone likes to use this word but it means 'not very good' and I don't think most of the coaches in the big ten would say Iowa has 'not been very good' in the last 5 years. I think the have been average to a little above average (2010=above average, 2012=below average, 2103=above average, etc.) and I think the 'definitions' support my opinion. I think everyone who keeps using the mediocrity term is bordering on the hyperbolic.
At last, someone who discusses the overuse of that word "mediocre."
 
At $4 million/year, you should average 8-4 seasons.
This is beating 4 tomato cans, out of conference, and going 4-4 in the conference.
Stewart Mandel was correct in 2013 and he's correct, now.
 
I don't think I was talking directly to you. I was responding to a culmination of posts over quite a period of time.
Everything's not about you 'dude', lol.

You quoted my post, and then went on to say what you said. That generally means you are responding to the person you just quoted.
 
At $4 million/year, you should average 8-4 seasons.
This is beating 4 tomato cans, out of conference, and going 4-4 in the conference.
Stewart Mandel was correct in 2013 and he's correct, now.

So if he was only making 3 million a year, he should go 7-5? If he's making 5 million a year it's got to be 9-3? Got it.
Thanks for that wonderful insight. It's all vividly clear to me now. o_O
 
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