Stoll Charged with False Reports x 2
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Brands should let Sam and his Attourney deal with the truth and his statements since it’s a legal matter. Then follow university policy. Hopefully it was a silly mishap that ends up in minor slaps on the wrist. Hopefully
Nicely played, Papa!Oh yeah, he did get shot too.
I don't know, If a guy gets shot and doesn't want to tell the police who did it, he was either shot by the Mafia or someone that he knew did it with no malicious intent.
I am pretty sure it wasn't the Mafia, so........if the victim doesn't want to penalize the transgressor I have a hard time penalizing the victim.
I am pretty sure it wasn't the Mafia, so........if the victim doesn't want to penalize the transgressor I have a hard time penalizing the victim.
So a gun is fired and a person is injured, but it isn't a problem because there was no intent. If the injury was worse, but all else was the same, would you still dismiss it as just a prank gone wrong. Taking responsibility by all involved is the only logical solution. Let the facts be known, and let those who are responsible be treated appropriately. I am not an attorney and I don't know if a crime was committed, but I do know that there is someone responsible for shooting someone.
This will serve a good life lesson for all of the young men on the team as well as the members of this board:
You never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, talk to the police when questioned...about anything...ever. Especially when completely innocent.
If he had refused to answer any questions he’d be in a much better situation right now.
You never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, talk to the police when questioned...about anything...ever. Especially when completely innocent.
If he had refused to answer any questions he’d be in a much better situation right now.
I’ve learned a shit ton of life lessons from all the “fountains of knowledge” flowing through these Stoll threads.... what I haven’t learned is what actually happened that night and probably never will and maybe it’s none of my business...if the police decide to just leave it with charging Sam for a false statement and he pleads the 5th and thats it....and he is physically able to compete his senior year ...thats the best scenario I can see
My concern is the public discourse similar to the discussions here is going to force the issue for the university and not allow this to die and move on
My concern is the public discourse similar to the discussions here is going to force the issue for the university and not allow this to die and move on
He can’t plead the 5th to protect someone else. He goes to jail for that. The 5th lets you not incriminate yourself but a failure to incriminate others is contempt of court (assuming a subpoena).
You are correct. But they would have to prove he did not shoot himself. Based upon the fact nobody else has been charged, I’m assuming they can’t do that.
It’s most likely they’re upset he won’t give them the full story. So the best they can do is charge him with this, which basically just means he gave two different stories, so one has to be false. Given the fact that he was recently shot when he gave one of his statements, I’m pretty sure any half decent lawyer can beat this.
In a nutshell: they have nothing, so they’re hoping this charge will scare him into giving up the shooter. All he has to do is call their bluff and he’s fine legally. The University is his biggest concern.
Well it fairly clear Sam is not guilty of the false report crime charged. He "reported" nothing, he just answered questions. As I posted before, the Iowa Supreme Court has construed this false report statute to require an "affirmative" action such as phoning the police, flagging them down, or calling 911. Merely answering questions and lying is not a crime unless your statements are incorporated by police into a citation - which didn't happen here.
Here is the exact charging language from the criminal complain filed against Stoll on 6/29/2018:
Sam "reported" nothing. The same criminal statute deals with "providing" false information, but as already stated, that subsection requires that the information be included in a citation. For example, if police investigated an auto accident and one of the drivers claim the other ran a red light and a citation was issued to that driver, that's a crime.
Sam should not under any circumstances plead guilty. These charges need to be dismissed and Sam needs to tell the true story going forward.
Here is the exact charging language from the criminal complain filed against Stoll on 6/29/2018:
On the above date and time, officers spoke with the defendant after he was admitted into the emergency room for a gunshot wound. At first, the defendant reported to officers that he had shot himself, while sitting inside his garage at his home. This led officers to the defendant's home, to ensure that nobody else was injured. Once officers determined that the defendant was not shot at his home, the defendant retracted his first statement and told officers that he was shot while playing a prank on a friend, while at the friend's home. This led officers to multiple other locations, to investigate this incident further. During a follow up interview with the defendant, he admitted that he had lied twice to law enforcement. These lies included the specific location where he received the gunshot wound and the circumstances leading up to receiving the gunshot wound. The defendant said that he lied, because he did not want to get a friend in trouble.
Sam should not under any circumstances plead guilty. These charges need to be dismissed and Sam needs to tell the true story going forward.
Just curious, do you live in a high crime area? I only ask because your “wisdom” is shared by a very large segment of the population in those areas. Seems to be working out great for them.
Me? No I live in what can only be described as an uppity community. I am also a gun owner. I also don’t keep my firearms anywhere except a safe because I understand population density and a stray shot will hit a neighbor.
I don’t have an issue with guns, but irresponsible gun owners give the rest of us a bad name. Whoever’s gun this was clearly didn’t act responsibly.
Seems like a bit of a reach but I'm no lawyer. His charges were very weak. Seems easier for him to plea, pay the small fine and move on. He's not going to jail over it. Plus, I believe the articles made it sound like the authorities were not persuing more charges.
But what if the shooter is a famous starter on your team? Don't TNT have the right to cover it up for the good of the upcoming season?
There is another angle here that I don't think anyone has mentioned. Who is going to pay for the medical treatment for sam? His insurance company is likely going to deny coverage and want to put those charges on the shooter, or his parents, assuming the shooter is responsible. They are funny that way. It would probably go to the renters insurance policy, or even home owners policy, for where it happened.
Otherwise, Sam may be paying the bill himself here, as I don't think that the insurance company will tolerate the refusal to name the shooter.
Otherwise, Sam may be paying the bill himself here, as I don't think that the insurance company will tolerate the refusal to name the shooter.
“Famous starter?” Quit trying to make Spencer shooting Sam happen...haha.
The shooting was reported by the hospital a few hours after it happened. The cops have done their investigation and charged Sam with two misdemeanors. Now it’s been passed on to the university who will do their investigation IAW Tom’s statement. In these situations where criminal or civil laws may have been broken, the ball is completely taken out of the staff’s hands...like what should have initially happened up in Gopherland.
Not just Spencer. He and Kemerer were fighting over the gun when it went off in my scenario.
Don't they call this Gopher logic?
Hey Jammy, what were you doing the night Stoll got shot?
Yea not sure if that’s promising news or not for those involved....remember the way the university handled Marcus Coker? Ferentz wasn’t very happy with that ending ...either were fans and teammates....I’ve been kind of of the mindset of this has been sensationalized by all the rumors and speculations by well .... people like us that would like to know what happened.... and that all the conjecture coming out of 500 posts on the subject was a waste of time and needless hand wringing....that it would blow over and everyone would move on .....your comment that it out of the coaches hands and in the University’s is probably spot on.... who knows wtf they’ll do
This is a great point but note there is new leadership at the helm of the U of I now, one that seems to apply a little more common sense in certain situations.
But he can take advantage of the laws allowing same sex marriage while they are still legal... new member of SCOTUS coming. Can't force him to testify against his spouse and he will get better insurance rates and tax benefits.
So what? Why would I care what anonymous message board tough guy thinks anyway? Your opinion means jack squat.
He’s most likely on his parents policy. Sam would be able to stay on his parents insurance, providing they approve. It’s most likely covered unless there a felony charges
I would also assume that he, as a FT college student, is still on his parents policy too. What I am saying is that the carrier is likely to want someone else to step up and accept financial responsibility in a case like this. I have seen exactly this scenario happen BTW.
That “wisdom” is also taught in NE Iowa. Frankly, every parent should teach their kids this before high school/college.
And how is someone going to know/prove Sam’s true intent as Sam pleads the 5th (hypothetically)?
or, you could tell the truth-and he would still be in a better situation. I applaud his not wanting to get a friend in trouble, but if he would have said:
"JOE BLOW and I were messing around and he accidentally shot me", probably the worst thing that would happen to JOE would be a ticket for discharging a firearm in the city limits. Maybe his hunter safety card would be taken away until Joe took the class again too.
Regarding the Sam Stoll state of affairs, here are some statements abstracted from the University of Iowa (student handbook) Dean of Students. Again, the script below is abstracted from the student handbook so it befits the reader to read its entirety. However (!) it would seem that those associated with this shooting/weapon (i.e. gun owner, shooter, home owner, et al) are in some predicament (excuse my choice of words).
Also, the State of Iowa statute (s) regarding domestic violence very likely apply to the circumstance surrounding this case. This whole thing “does not pass the smell test”. It seems not credible, nor morally acceptable at the University of Iowa.
II Student Responsibilities (Campus Policy on Violence)
10.05 Prohibited Behavior
3) threats with a weapon (display of a weapon accompanied by statements or actions which cause justifiable fear or apprehension; see Board of Regents Policy Manual 2.1.4M, which prohibits use or possession on the campus of dangerous weapons);
10.05 Prohibited Behavior
3) threats with a weapon (display of a weapon accompanied by statements or actions which cause justifiable fear or apprehension; see Board of Regents Policy Manual 2.1.4M, which prohibits use or possession on the campus of dangerous weapons);
e. the conduct demonstrates that the individual poses a reasonable threat to campus safety and security.
Also, the State of Iowa statute (s) regarding domestic violence very likely apply to the circumstance surrounding this case. This whole thing “does not pass the smell test”. It seems not credible, nor morally acceptable at the University of Iowa.
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