Stoll: Medical Reshirt BHGP

[Vallholl]

Article on BHGP (link below) by Danny Payne indicates a medical redshirt for Stoll is possible. Chances are "solid". Has there been any more about this? Article is from Jan. 24.

Medical Redshirt
Tom Brands is scheduled to meet the media this afternoon at 2 p.m., so we’ll hopefully get further explanation in this department. But (you may’ve seen this in the open thread), you’d be safe to think Stoll’s chances are solid given his short season.
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What we’ll gain clarity (hopefully) on is if tournaments are counted in the denominator of that 30% cut line. Stoll wrestled in three of Iowa’s 14 duals this year, so he’s kosher in that regard. If the Luther Open and Midlands count as one competition each, that puts Stoll at a quarter of Iowa’s competitions.

http://www.blackheartgoldpants.com/...am-stoll-iowa-hawkeyes-college-wrestling-bhgp

 

[Vallholl]

Regardless of the number of years Sammy has left, I'd like to see him wrestle healthy at Nationals. And, of course, you realize that another RS year for Stoll puts him in the same class as Kemerer...

 

[Wrestlerneverdiesasacatfan]

I'd call it a day you got to live to 85 years old who needs another surgery

 

[LaxHawk174]

The only possible scenario I can see even being feasible for Stoll to get an extra year would be if he missed all of next season, he is not eligible for a medical RS as he has already used his regular RS. He would have to apply for a 6th year of eligibility.

Although from what I have read, it's not likely to be granted, due to Stoll wrestling in the 2nd semester of this season. Apparently if Stoll were to have wrestled 3 times in first semester and re-injured but wrestled none in the second semester he would be eligible (Assuming he missed all of next season), but because he wrestled in the 2nd semester of this season (even though he's missing the post season- that doesn't matter) that disqualifies him from what I have gathered.

Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong, I would love to be wrong on this.

 

[championhawk]

I have read many times that you need to miss a majority of 2 seasons. Sam has a case and I will say his case should be a lot better than Tsirtsis. I still don't know how he was given another year if Sam isn't eligible.

 

[LaxHawk174]

I have read many times that you need to miss a majority of 2 seasons. Sam has a case and I will say his case should be a lot better than Tsirtsis. I still don't know how he was given another year if Sam isn't eligible.

I asked this question on the mat in a thread I started about finding the rules pertaining to medical RS and 6th years...and Tsirtsis' reason had nothing to do with injury, it was because he was eligible to wrestle by NCAA standards but ineligible by NW standards, as well as all the personal stuff like death of a family member (which is actually another reason one may be granted a 6th year of eligibility.)

Edit: I actually mis-remembered what Pinnum posted, Tsirtsis' was a family hardship waiver, not because of the academic stuff.

Here is a link to the thread

 

[championhawk]

I asked this question on the mat in a thread I started about finding the rules pertaining to medical RS and 6th years...and Tsirtsis' reason had nothing to do with injury, it was because he was eligible to wrestle by NCAA standards but ineligible by NW standards, as well as all the personal stuff like death of a family member (which is actually another reason one may be granted a 6th year of eligibility.)

Edit: I actually mis-remembered what Pinnum posted, Tsirtsis' was a family hardship waiver, not because of the academic stuff.

Here is a link to the thread

I understand his was granted for a different reason. I am just stating my disapproval at him being eligible if Stoll isn't. I think Stoll will be get a 6th year due to missing almost 2 full seasons. He likely won't be wrestling the first half of next season.

 

[LaxHawk174]

I understand his was granted for a different reason. I am just stating my disapproval at him being eligible if Stoll isn't. I think Stoll will be get a 6th year due to missing almost 2 full seasons. He likely won't be wrestling the first half of next season.

I hope like heck he gets the 6th year, I just think his wrestling in the second semester this year hurts his case. Andrew Alton is a very similar scenario.

1st Year (Wrestled full True FR season)
RS Year
2nd Year (Injured shoulder and wrestled through B1G and NCAAs with it)
3rd Year (came back 12/28 and wrestled two three-match opens, and two duals before re-injuring shoulder from previous year in late January... Missed majority of season)
4th Year (Missed entire season to knee injury)

Wasn't granted additional year because he competed in 2nd semester his 3rd Year.

Stoll:

RS Year
1st Year (Injured Knee wrestled through B1G and NCAAs with it)
2nd Year (Came back 12/29 and wrestled 1 6-match tournament, and 3 duals before re-injuring Knee from previous year in mid january... Missed majority of season)
3rd Year (Would have to miss all of this season including post-season)
4th Year Wrestles a hopefully healthy year through B1G's and NCAAs

May or May Not be granted an additional year because he competed in 2nd semester his 2nd Year. (Unfortunately I'm leaning not likely, due to having competed in the 2nd semester this year.)

 

[SPOONER]

I have read many times that you need to miss a majority of 2 seasons. Sam has a case and I will say his case should be a lot better than Tsirtsis. I still don't know how he was given another year if Sam isn't eligible.

What two seasons did Stoll miss?

 

[nearfall2]

You will find the NCAA is consistently inconsistent on these issues. The medical is likely. The 6th year waiver is a tougher row to hoe. To get the 6th year you have to show that you have lost more than a year to significant injury. Their argument will likely revolve around the idea that defaulting out of national duals, big tens and nationals was for all intensive purposes the same as missing those events. In the end I'm guessing they say no.

 

[Lsanders20]

You will find the NCAA is consistently inconsistent on these issues. The medical is likely. The 6th year waiver is a tougher row to hoe. To get the 6th year you have to show that you have lost more than a year to significant injury. Their argument will likely revolve around the idea that defaulting out of national duals, big tens and nationals was for all intensive purposes the same as missing those events. In the end I'm guessing they say no.

I think he does get the 6th year granted but not until next year. With an ACL at his size it will be tough to make it back in 18. Hope he does it but I'm skeptical and even if he does. How effective will he be?

 

[Pennstate1985]

I think he does get the 6th year granted but not until next year.

I don't believe 6th years are granted until the end of your 5th year. That will force Brands to plan for both eventualities in the 2019-20 season.

 

[SPOONER]

I don't believe 6th years are granted until the end of your 5th year. That will force Brands to plan for both eventualities in the 2019-20 season.

We had a hoops player get awarded one at the start of this season which is his 5th.

 

[championhawk]

What two seasons did Stoll miss?

A majority of 2 seasons meaning a chunk of last year, over half of this year, and likely half or more of next year. Lax is making some good points. We all know the NCAA is very inconsistent with this.

 

[SPOONER]

A majority of 2 seasons meaning a chunk of last year, over half of this year, and likely half or more of next year. Lax is making some good points. We all know the NCAA is very inconsistent with this.

What chunk did he miss last year? Pretty sure he literally wrestled in every dual and tournament.

That said, no doubt your last sentence is true.

 

[championhawk]

What chunk did he miss last year? Pretty sure he literally wrestled in every dual and tournament.

That said, no doubt your last sentence is true.

You are right. For some reason I was thinking he missed more probably because the he was hurt for the only 2 big tournaments.

 

[DonHawkeye]

For whatever reason it seems like Iowa is really bad at getting this done for all their sports. I would guess it doesn't happen. Just like they seem to miss out on JUCO kids all the time for this and that reason, they seem to not be willing to push this issue very hard.

 

[Czech Hawk]

Curious if it is out there, as I might have missed it. Is it the same knee (ACL)? If this is something that is being kept private that is fine as I do not need an answer by any means. I would think it would be quite obvious to some as to which knee it is either way. If it is the same knee is that worse? I would think if it is the same knee it is worse, but my knowledge is limited to my own knee issues in HS.

 

[Pennstate1985]

Curious if it is out there, as I might have missed it. Is it the same knee (ACL)? If this is something that is being kept private that is fine as I do not need an answer by any means. I would think it would be quite obvious to some as to which knee it is either way. If it is the same knee is that worse? I would think if it is the same knee it is worse, but my knowledge is limited to my own knee issues in HS.

I read right after the dual that it was the same knee.

last post in this thread:

https://iowa.forums.rivals.com/threads/stoll-injured.177059/

 

[PapaBearSLIM]

Curious if it is out there, as I might have missed it. Is it the same knee (ACL)? If this is something that is being kept private that is fine as I do not need an answer by any means. I would think it would be quite obvious to some as to which knee it is either way. If it is the same knee is that worse? I would think if it is the same knee it is worse, but my knowledge is limited to my own knee issues in HS.

Having kept up with some basketball players with acl injuries, the same knee is worse. That usually indicates that the knee will never be right. I feel bad for the fella. Injuries are the worst because they are beyond your control.

 

[jvclark]

You are right. For some reason I was thinking he missed more probably because the he was hurt for the only 2 big tournaments.

And keep in mind he actually wrestled in the big tens last year, just didn't finish the tourney. If I recall. So he really only missed nationals.

 

[SPOONER]

And keep in mind he actually wrestled in the big tens last year, just didn't finish the tourney. If I recall. So he really only missed nationals.

? He not only finished the Big 10s he wrestled at nationals as well.

 

[jvclark]

? He not only finished the Big 10s he wrestled at nationals as well.

? Well, no really, he didn't finish the Big Tens. He medical forfeited to Horwath from Wisconsin in the 7th/8th place match.

I was wrong however, he did wrestle the first round of the NCAAs (inj default in 3:45), but didn't wrestle the 1st round losers and took a medical forfeit.