Story On Conference Realignment Has Iowa State In The MAC

[charleshustle]

From a media person. Has some pretty major predictions. Big Ten schools are mentioned all over the article.

http://www.thechaosindex.com/cest-l...-to-change-a-whole-lot-more-than-you-realize/

 

[Mohawkeye]

Pretty much spot on.

 

[seiowaisufan]

Did not realize a person in the media, gets to decide all of this, I thought it would be the college presidents?
After reading the article, a lot of it talks about tv money, this is what is pushing realignment of conferences, but how does he take Kansas over K-state? K-state has the much better football program, and remember this is about football.

No school is going to follow the soccer model, where they drop down for a few years and then earn their way back up. Without the tv money, a lot of these schools would just give up and play in the lower league. It will also destroy their other sports teams. Does anyone on this board really think that a MAC team could join the big 10 or any other conference and be anything but a ceil dweller year after year? A mac team might have a 2 or 3 conference win season every now and then, but they would not be any better than a Purdue or ISU. Just like I would think both of the school I mentioned would win a lot more games in a lower conference.

 

[AuroraHawk]

Did not realize a person in the media, gets to decide all of this, I thought it would be the college presidents?
After reading the article, a lot of it talks about tv money, this is what is pushing realignment of conferences, but how does he take Kansas over K-state? K-state has the much better football program, and remember this is about football.

No school is going to follow the soccer model, where they drop down for a few years and then earn their way back up. Without the tv money, a lot of these schools would just give up and play in the lower league. It will also destroy their other sports teams. Does anyone on this board really think that a MAC team could join the big 10 or any other conference and be anything but a ceil dweller year after year? A mac team might have a 2 or 3 conference win season every now and then, but they would not be any better than a Purdue or ISU. Just like I would think both of the school I mentioned would win a lot more games in a lower conference.

Your underlying premise is fatally flawed.

If it was about the quality of the football program, then the Pac 12 would have grabbed Oklahoma and Oklahoma State and not Colorado and Utah. It's about population centers, households subscribing to cable or satellite TV and the $.50 to $1.00 per month in subscription fees going to conference television networks.

That is why neither Iowa nor Iowa State will be a "coveted" university in the re-alignment process. Iowa simply doesn't have the population which makes either university a popular pick.

Conference consolidation/re-alignment/re-structuring (whatever you want to call it) is about nothing more than maximizing revenue. And, like it or not, revenue maximization is driven far more by population centers and less by quality of football programs (present or past).

 

[seiowaisufan]

Your underlying premise is fatally flawed.

If it was about the quality of the football program, then the Pac 12 would have grabbed Oklahoma and Oklahoma State and not Colorado and Utah. It's about population centers, households subscribing to cable or satellite TV and the $.50 to $1.00 per month in subscription fees going to conference television networks.

That is why neither Iowa nor Iowa State will be a "coveted" university in the re-alignment process. Iowa simply doesn't have the population which makes either university a popular pick.

Conference consolidation/re-alignment/re-structuring (whatever you want to call it) is about nothing more than maximizing revenue. And, like it or not, revenue maximization is driven far more by population centers and less by quality of football programs (present or past).

I agree with what you said, but why is 64 teams the best way to go? I get it, it make perfect symmetrically for a four team play off, but what happens when one of these conferences have an upset in the final game and a 8-4 team gets in, and a more deserving team is left out? The current system allows the final four committee to just pick another school, under the four conference system that would not be possible.
Also, how are they going to force ND to join a conference? Plus what about the law suits that will arise if they actually go through with it, Baylor threatened to sue if it wa left out the last time, does anyone think that a K-State and ISU would not follow the same path?

The clear path would be the break up of the big 12, but then why would Texas and Oklahoma make their path more difficult to getting into the playoff? It just does not make any sense for either school to leave the conference and join another.

 

[scarletred]

So if the Big 12 implodes and the Oklahoma schools go east to the SEC and the texas schools head to the Pac 12 and Kansas becomes team number 15 then who becomes team 16 in the B1G?

This would also force Notre Dame to join a conference but which one, remain in the ACC or join the B1G were they fit naturally.

 

[seiowaisufan]

So if the Big 12 implodes and the Oklahoma schools go east to the SEC and the texas schools head to the Pac 12 and Kansas becomes team number 15 then who becomes team 16 in the B1G?

Yes, those schools you mentioned will have a place at the table, but they have that now, how does Oklahoma joining the SEC make it easier for them to get into the football playoff? How does Texas going to the PAC 12 make it easier for them? Texas is already at the top of the money scale, Oklahoma is not far behind. Why endanger that by joining a conference that makes it more difficult? I mean would you rather go through Texas, Baylor and TCU or Alabama, LSU, and Georgia or Florida?

 

[scarletred]

Yes, those schools you mentioned will have a place at the table, but they have that now, how does Oklahoma joining the SEC make it easier for them to get into the football playoff? How does Texas going to the PAC 12 make it easier for them? Texas is already at the top of the money scale, Oklahoma is not far behind. Why endanger that by joining a conference that makes it more difficult? I mean would you rather go through Texas, Baylor and TCU or Alabama, LSU, and Georgia or Florida?

Hay I don't totally agree with article and think OU is going to force the whorns by getting 2 more teams to join the Big12 so they can have a true Big12 CCG with 2 divisions instead of playing each other and adding another game which would be meaning less after they had already played each other and everyone else in the conference..

 

[HerkyFan]

Did not realize a person in the media, gets to decide all of this, I thought it would be the college presidents?
After reading the article, a lot of it talks about tv money, this is what is pushing realignment of conferences, but how does he take Kansas over K-state? K-state has the much better football program, and remember this is about football.

No school is going to follow the soccer model, where they drop down for a few years and then earn their way back up. Without the tv money, a lot of these schools would just give up and play in the lower league. It will also destroy their other sports teams. Does anyone on this board really think that a MAC team could join the big 10 or any other conference and be anything but a ceil dweller year after year? A mac team might have a 2 or 3 conference win season every now and then, but they would not be any better than a Purdue or ISU. Just like I would think both of the school I mentioned would win a lot more games in a lower conference.

It is so cute isu grads truly believes isu will have any influence on what occurs.

 

[HerkyFan]

Clueless Jeff, point out to me where I have I stated that ISU has any influence on conference realignment. Iowa does not either, for that matter. Go back to thinking about what you would like to do to Jami Pollard ok.

But as usual you have to bring up your hate for anything ISU., not counting your dream boat Pollard of course.

Pollard can scream all he wants and isu still won't have any influence at all when more re-alignment takes place. Have fun with MACtion.

 

[rafferty06]

Pollard can scream all he wants and isu still won't have any influence at all when more re-alignment takes place. Have fun with MACtion.

 

[seiowaisufan]

Pollard can scream all he wants and isu still won't have any influence at all when more re-alignment takes place. Have fun with MACtion.

I see you did not answer my question, but instead just took another shot at ISU. I get it, you are hoping and praying that ISU will get left out and sent to the MAC. If it happens, do not think it will, but if it does, ISU will learn to deal with it. Stop celebrating it until it actually happens.

 

[ichawk24]

This article is utter horse shut and if you believe it you are an idiot.

"Captain chaos" is a moron, not a member of the media.

The long list of stupidity:

Kentucky to play SeC hoops but MAC football.
PAC12 dropping schools to pick up SDSU or UNLV.
BIG dropping Indiana or Purdue to pick up Cincinnati or Temple.
Relegation? Relegation? RELEGATION?

None of this is going to happen. Pull your head out of your ass.

 

[HerkyFan]

I see you did not answer my question, but instead just took another shot at ISU. I get it, you are hoping and praying that ISU will get left out and sent to the MAC. If it happens, do not think it will, but if it does, ISU will learn to deal with it. Stop celebrating it until it actually happens.

I am ready for the clowns and ,MACtion. At least the clowns will have the largest stadium.

 

[seiowaisufan]

I am ready for the clowns and ,MACtion. At least the clowns will have the largest stadium.

That's true, they would, and then Iowa fans can continue to schedule them, and I can just imagine the complaining whey they lose to an ISU team out of the MAC. But look at the good point, you can not found that blue dog out of conference game to play.

 

[cylibros]

I am ready for the clowns and ,MACtion. At least the clowns will have the largest stadium.

I bet I can find some clowns to give you MACtion, if that's your thing.

 

[HerkyFan]

I bet I can find some clowns to give you MACtion, if that's your thing.

Or I can just wait for isu to end up in the MAC. Your new coach couldn't win the title in that conference either.

 

[HerkyFan]

That's true, they would, and then Iowa fans can continue to schedule them, and I can just imagine the complaining whey they lose to an ISU team out of the MAC. But look at the good point, you can not found that blue dog out of conference game to play.

I can imagine what Joke Trice would look like if Iowa quits playing little bro because they are in the MAC. The start of the game will look like Joke Trice in the second half.

 

[HerkyFan]

I guess they would look like your current bb team peeing down their leg. 3 in a row, 4 out of the last 5, are losses. Only two games left, and none of the teams Iowa is losing too is even ranked. But you know how rough and tough the big 10 is right?

How many games out of first are the clowns in the Texas Ten? Maybe Pollard can scream how unfair it is the clowns can't play in hilton for the NCAA tourney. God knows they can't beat a decent team on the road or at a neutral site. Or is Illinois a decent team?

 

[rchawk]

Honest question regarding four conferences of 16 teams totaling 64 teams and a playoff.

Who originated this idea? Was it an athletic director at a reputable school or a sports writer? Worse yet, was it a less than reputable internet sports writer?

Teams not in the top 64 could get hot and be left out. Boise State is hot recently, but San Diego State was a very good team once too. So was Central Michigan. Others will be in the future.

I don't mind the clones being left out of the top 64, their absence won't change anything. But there should be something more fluid than rigid. If we want a true champion a present 65-plus school could come along along in five or ten years that is not on the radar now but deserves it's shot.

 

[HerkyFan]

I see what you did there, you went with the ISU mantra of 'tough conference/schedule', you realize this is the football board don't you? Be prepared for Herky to ask how baseball is.

Yep and on top of that isu grad ignores that the Texas Ten's claim that they are so tough rings hollow when they suck in the NCAA tournament. Will this be the 6th year in a row, probably and when it is clown fan will ignore it.

 

[Birky]

Did not realize a person in the media, gets to decide all of this, I thought it would be the college presidents?
After reading the article, a lot of it talks about tv money, this is what is pushing realignment of conferences, but how does he take Kansas over K-state? K-state has the much better football program, and remember this is about football.

No school is going to follow the soccer model, where they drop down for a few years and then earn their way back up. Without the tv money, a lot of these schools would just give up and play in the lower league. It will also destroy their other sports teams. Does anyone on this board really think that a MAC team could join the big 10 or any other conference and be anything but a ceil dweller year after year? A mac team might have a 2 or 3 conference win season every now and then, but they would not be any better than a Purdue or ISU. Just like I would think both of the school I mentioned would win a lot more games in a lower conference.

Actually, markets seemed to be a bigger deal than football. I assume KU owns the KC market? All things being equal, then football probably wins out. That said, I assume the powers that be would realize Bill Snyder will die someday. That will likely be the exact same day KSU football dies.

 

[hawkssox1]

Your underlying premise is fatally flawed.

If it was about the quality of the football program, then the Pac 12 would have grabbed Oklahoma and Oklahoma State and not Colorado and Utah. It's about population centers, households subscribing to cable or satellite TV and the $.50 to $1.00 per month in subscription fees going to conference television networks.

That is why neither Iowa nor Iowa State will be a "coveted" university in the re-alignment process. Iowa simply doesn't have the population which makes either university a popular pick.

Conference consolidation/re-alignment/re-structuring (whatever you want to call it) is about nothing more than maximizing revenue. And, like it or not, revenue maximization is driven far more by population centers and less by quality of football programs (present or past).

As is yours the idea that the PAC 12 did not choose Oklahoma and Oklahoma St.THEY chose along with Texas NOT to go the PAC 12 route.So help me with the "population center argument"Colorado and Utah certainly get you nothing but Denver and Salt Lake City.

 

[hknation]

In the context of recruiting, will this talk of expansion to include some teams such as ISU being dropped to a non-P5 level, cause recruits to question whether ISU will be a power 5 conference school in the future?

The topic does seem to keep resurfacing over and over......it appears that this topic is not going away.

 

[Titanhawk2]

Your underlying premise is fatally flawed.

If it was about the quality of the football program, then the Pac 12 would have grabbed Oklahoma and Oklahoma State and not Colorado and Utah. It's about population centers, households subscribing to cable or satellite TV and the $.50 to $1.00 per month in subscription fees going to conference television networks.

That is why neither Iowa nor Iowa State will be a "coveted" university in the re-alignment process. Iowa simply doesn't have the population which makes either university a popular pick.

Conference consolidation/re-alignment/re-structuring (whatever you want to call it) is about nothing more than maximizing revenue. And, like it or not, revenue maximization is driven far more by population centers and less by quality of football programs (present or past).

Cable subscription is going down. The dollar value available for the big TV contracts will be smaller when they renew. And if cable ever goes ala carte the pie will be smaller.

 

[Bill_D]

From a media person. Has some pretty major predictions. Big Ten schools are mentioned all over the article.

http://www.thechaosindex.com/cest-l...-to-change-a-whole-lot-more-than-you-realize/

First of all it not entirely about population centers. It is about the location of fans of a particular sporting activity. There is a reason the southern states generate the most TV revenue in college football as an area. It is because that the southern states plus TX and OK have about 60-65% of college football fans who watch TV..

Also the author of the piece seems to ask more question then he makes predictions. I di di see one firm prediction other than the face of college football will change. I am sure everyone could have made that prediction. I am not sure there will be much growth in the Power 5 conferences by adding teams until about 2026 because of the agreement that the Power 5 conferences have with ESPN.

 

[AuroraHawk]

Cable subscription is going down. The dollar value available for the big TV contracts will be smaller when they renew. And if cable ever goes ala carte the pie will be smaller.

There is no doubt that on-line streaming threatens the current existence of cable and satellite. That written, we should prepare ourselves for what I view as inevitable ..... pay-per-view. Sports fans currently enjoy viewing sports on cable and satellite thanks to the "subsidization" of all cable/satellite subscribers. If (or, more appropriately, "when") the model evolves into pay-per-view, we can expect the price of viewing all sports to increase.

 

[AuroraHawk]

As is yours the idea that the PAC 12 did not choose Oklahoma and Oklahoma St.THEY chose along with Texas NOT to go the PAC 12 route.So help me with the "population center argument"Colorado and Utah certainly get you nothing but Denver and Salt Lake City.

The Pac12 wanted Texas. (Without Texas' conditions). Badly. Every conference wants Texas. Same with Notre Dame. It's about expanding the footprint for the conference network. The Pac 12 network isn't part of the basic package in Colorado or Utah before expansion. Add those states to the footprint. Do the math. Multiply the number of cable/satellite subscribers in those states times $.50 or $1.00 per month (I believe that the B1G Network gets $.50 per month per subscribing household). Compare that to Oklahoma's population of subscibing households. It's not a close call. Colorado/Utah bring much more to the equation than Oklahoma/OSU.

Here's a good link: http://www.tvb.org/media/file/2015-2016-dma-ranks.pdf

Standing alone, Denver (17th market) and Salt Lake City (34th market) add up to over 2% of all US households. It's the equivalent of adding a market like San Francisco/Oakland.

 

[whatsup13579er]

This article is mostly drivel. Kentucky is not going to play SEC basketball and MAC football. Conferences aren't going to drop schools like Purdue/Indiana/WashingtonSt/OregonSt to pick up the likes of Cincy/ Memphis/SDSU. OSU owns the state of Ohio. Adding U of Cincy is going to add TV sets to the BTN.

The most important thing he ignores is the academic side of the B1G. The research dollars that flow in to B1G universities puts any BTN money to shame.

 

[Lone Clone]

Some of what he says makes sense; some doesn't. No question that money rules everything, and TV rules money, and ISU brings nothing in terms of TV to any conference.

But in a massive realignment like he suggests, the current conference names really are meaningless. For instance, ISU going to the current MAC is not the same as ISU going to a MAC that also has Kansas State and some other current P5 schools.

 

[5Fan5]

Some of what he says makes sense; some doesn't. No question that money rules everything, and TV rules money, and ISU brings nothing in terms of TV to any conference.

But in a massive realignment like he suggests, the current conference names really are meaningless. For instance, ISU going to the current MAC is not the same as ISU going to a MAC that also has Kansas State and some other current P5 schools.

If and/or when it comes to be that isu finds itself without the comfort of the big xii, you will be able to dress it up, pour perfume all over it and call it whatever you wish.... that pig will still be a pig. No matter what.

 

[HerkyFan]

Some of what he says makes sense; some doesn't. No question that money rules everything, and TV rules money, and ISU brings nothing in terms of TV to any conference.

But in a massive realignment like he suggests, the current conference names really are meaningless. For instance, ISU going to the current MAC is not the same as ISU going to a MAC that also has Kansas State and some other current P5 schools.

Except that isu won't get the financial backing they get today regardless if ksu and others also join the MAC. But hey isu hasn't been relevant for football since 1911 so no one will really notice their death spiral.

 

[cidhawkeye]

Yeah but look at our strength of schedule, it's why we don't win in football. If we played Iowas schedule we would win 6-7 games every year with years of 10-11 wins.

Just thought I would move the conversation to your next facetious talking point when your done talking basketball in a football forum. You can thank me later for saving you the time.

 

[bhawk24bob]

There's some truth to this blog post. As cutting the cord continues to grow (I joined in this week), revenue to schools from tv contracts will decrease unless the product becomes more valuable/attractive - and it needs to change in order to do that. That'll first happen by cutting out the FCS schools from the schedule, which after a few years or one cycle of tv contracts, will stagnate. Then it'll be cutting out the MAC/Sun Belt/etc schools from the schedules, rinse repeat. Then after that, shit gets real and some golden geese stop laying eggs.

You have to accept that at some point, the Ohio States and Michigans of the world aren't going to subsidize the Purdues of the world.

 

[Herkuleez]

You have to accept that at some point, the Ohio States and Michigans of the world aren't going to subsidize the Purdues of the world.

I think at that point college sports really won't be worth watching any more.

You'll just have one consolidated "league" of blue bloods consisting of about 32 schools....of which Iowa will not be one. It will be similar to how the NFL is currently aligned with four schools per division, four divisions per 2 conferences, broken about between either north/south or east/west.

 

[UNIowaHawk]

Would the MAC accept Iowa State?

 

[And1Hawk]

There's some truth to this blog post. As cutting the cord continues to grow (I joined in this week), revenue to schools from tv contracts will decrease unless the product becomes more valuable/attractive - and it needs to change in order to do that. That'll first happen by cutting out the FCS schools from the schedule, which after a few years or one cycle of tv contracts, will stagnate. Then it'll be cutting out the MAC/Sun Belt/etc schools from the schedules, rinse repeat. Then after that, shit gets real and some golden geese stop laying eggs.

You have to accept that at some point, the Ohio States and Michigans of the world aren't going to subsidize the Purdues of the world.

It's going to be interesting for sure. Help me understand how cutting the cord is really going to reduce revenue long term? There's no way the owners of the product are going to give it away for free. So this means either the individual subscribers who really want the product over any streaming medium are going to pay a great deal more for it or live game attendance is going to rise again or possibly both. The money will be made one way or the other.

 

[Lone Clone]

It's going to be interesting for sure. Help me understand how cutting the cord is really going to reduce revenue long term? There's no way the owners of the product are going to give it away for free. So this means either the individual subscribers who really want the product over any streaming medium are going to pay a great deal more for it or live game attendance is going to rise again or possibly both. The money will be made one way or the other.

I see what you're saying, but you're assuming the current bloated contracts are rational, and that might not be the case.

* Live attendance can't increase significantly at many schools, including ISU and Iowa, because they don't have that many unsold seats now.
* There is a limit to how much the average fan is willing to pay to watch his/her team. That's true for actual tickets and for TV subscriptions.

 

[Franisdaman]

From a media person. Has some pretty major predictions. Big Ten schools are mentioned all over the article.

http://www.thechaosindex.com/cest-l...-to-change-a-whole-lot-more-than-you-realize/

I wonder if Delany has been in talks with Oklahoma and Kansas BECAUSE the Oklahoma president is on the record that he wants 3 things out of the upcoming Big 12(minus 2) meetings:

* 2 more teams to get to 12 actual teams!
* football conference championship game
* Conference TV network

Oklahoma would be GREAT for B1G football.

Kansas would bring in more of the KC market and would be GREAT for B1G basketball.

And if this all happens, I can't wait to see where poor ol' ISU lands....

 

[bouma1415]

Pay Per View is an interesting story. I would spend $10 to watch my team at home. I watch a lot of football at home while I work. But if I paid $10, I would see more people getting together, splitting the cost of the $10 fee...especially if it was $19.95, which wouldn't surprise me, especially if they have multiple camera angle views. But would the revenue stream pay out above the current cable system?