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Supreme Court blocks air pollution rules for power plants

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The Supreme Court has blocked Obama administration rules designed to sharply limit the hazardous air pollutants that spew from the nation's power plants.

The justices by a 5-4 vote agreed with the coal industry and Republican-led states that said the forced cutbacks were too costly and could lead to power outages.

Justice Antonin Scalia, speaking for the majority, said it was not reasonable for the Environmental Protection Agency to proceed with the new rules without weighing their cost, estimated to be about $9.6 billion a year.

"It will be up to the agency to decide — as always, within the limits of reasonable interpretation — how to account for cost," Scalia said.

Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. and Justices Anthony M. Kennedy, Clarence Thomas and Samuel A. Alito Jr. agreed.

The decision is a win for Michigan and several other Republican-led states that joined the power industry in challenging the rules.

The so-called "mercury and air toxins" rule has been 25 years in the making. Congress in 1990 strengthened the Clean Air Act and told the EPA to identify the major sources for more than 180 hazardous air pollutants, including mercury and arsenic. And once the agency decided coal and oil-fired power plants were a major source of these pollutants, the EPA was told to adopt regulations that were "appropriate and necessary" to limit these emissions.

Mercury is highly toxic in the air and the water, and it builds up through the food chain. It is particularly dangerous for a pregnant woman and her developing baby. Other toxic pollutants are believed to trigger asthma attacks.

But the rules took far longer than lawmakers had anticipated. The Clinton administration completed the study and prepared the rules, but they were blocked during the George W. Bush administration. Under President Obama, the EPA issued proposed regulations in 2012 that were to take full effect this summer.

Lawyers for the coal and electric power industries went to court, alleging the costs of the new rule would vastly outweigh the benefits. They said the rules would cost $9.5 billion a year, while the benefit of removing mercury from the air would be only $5 million a year.

The EPA called this a false comparison. The agency said the rules would save 11,000 lives per year. And if all the impact of all the hazardous pollutants were considered, the EPA said the cleaner air would yield public health benefits of more than $37 billion a year.

Last year, a U.S. appeals court here upheld the regulations as justified under the law. But to the surprise of environmentalists, the Supreme Court agreed to hear the legal challenge brought by the affected industries and by Michigan and a coalition of states that rely on coal-fired power plants.

The case of Michigan vs. EPA posed a major test of whether the conservative-leaning high court would uphold the far-reaching regulations of a liberal administration.

An even bigger legal fight lies ahead on whether Obama and the EPA can impose climate-change regulations that would force a 30% reduction in carbon pollution by 2030.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/busin...ir-pollution-power-plants-20150629-story.html
 
They'd rule differently if they lived next to a power plant fueled by coal.
 
There you go cons, you won a couple. Your team stands for dirty torture. My team plants its flag on civil rights. Feel proud.
 
There you go cons, you won a couple. Your team stands for dirty torture. My team plants its flag on civil rights. Feel proud.

So you must be a liberal\moderate then.
Democrats opposed civil rights and the laws were passed by liberal/moderate Republicans and liberal/moderate Democrats. The Civil Rights Act was signed into law by Lyndon Johnson, a Democrat. Conservative Democrats left the party in opposition to civil rights and became Republicans.
 
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So you must be a liberal\moderate then.
Democrats opposed civil rights and the laws were passed by liberal/moderate Republicans and liberal/moderate Democrats. The Civil Rights Act was signed into law by Lyndon Johnson, a Democrat. Conservative Democrats left the party in opposition to civil rights and became Republicans.
This sounds right. I was speaking of the SCOTUS decisions, but I have no quibble with how you lay out the legislative landscape either. Explain this to IMCC and Habah.
 
If anyone is surprised that this court would deem corporate profits more important than people's health then you just haven't been paying attention at all.

The environmentalists are going about this all wrong. It has been shown time and time again that showing actual scientific data and analysis means nothing to many people. Their next move should be to throw Jenny McCarthy on TV to pull stuff out of her ass and say that the mercury from a coal fire plant causes autism. That'll fire up the idiots to push for change.
 
If anyone is surprised that this court would deem corporate profits more important than people's health then you just haven't been paying attention at all.

The environmentalists are going about this all wrong. It has been shown time and time again that showing actual scientific data and analysis means nothing to many people. Their next move should be to throw Jenny McCarthy on TV to pull stuff out of her ass and say that the mercury from a coal fire plant causes autism. That'll fire up the idiots to push for change.
Yes, because the environmentalists have such a storied record on good science, from the "danger" of fraking and GMO's and nuclear energy. When is the last time a nuclear reactor was built in this country? And if we relied more on nuclear energy wouldn't there be less of a need for coal?
 
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Yes, because the environmentalists have such a storied record on good science, from the "danger" of fraking and GMO's and nuclear energy. When is the last time a nuclear reactor was built in this country? And if we relied more on nuclear energy wouldn't there be less of a need for coal?
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There you go cons, you won a couple. Your team stands for dirty torture. My team plants its flag on civil rights. Feel proud.
I hate to sound so cynical but here goes....

In the gay marriage and Obamacare rulings the Supreme Court neutralized 2 contentious issues that corporations don't care about and which were giving the GOP a bad reputation as the party of racists and mean-spirited nut cases.

In the pollution case they ruled for corporate profit.

Bottom line: corporate power came out on top and the GOP, if it's smart, doesn't look back and goes into 2016 stronger because it isn't being weighed down by losing issues.
 
I hate to sound so cynical but here goes....

In the gay marriage and Obamacare rulings the Supreme Court neutralized 2 contentious issues that corporations don't care about and which were giving the GOP a bad reputation as the party of racists and mean-spirited nut cases.

In the pollution case they ruled for corporate profit.

Bottom line: corporate power came out on top and the GOP, if it's smart, doesn't look back and goes into 2016 stronger because it isn't being weighed down by losing issues.

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Yes, because the environmentalists have such a storied record on good science, from the "danger" of fraking and GMO's and nuclear energy. When is the last time a nuclear reactor was built in this country? And if we relied more on nuclear energy wouldn't there be less of a need for coal?

Their record on science is a lot better than the GOP's or corporate America's.

Personally, I disagree with the far left's position on GMO's (there is no credible science showing GMO's are bad for anyone, not to mention the complete misrepresentation of the term "GMO") and I'm a big supporter of nuclear power. We need more of it. It is much less of a threat than coal is.
 
I hate to sound so cynical but here goes....

In the gay marriage and Obamacare rulings the Supreme Court neutralized 2 contentious issues that corporations don't care about and which were giving the GOP a bad reputation as the party of racists and mean-spirited nut cases.

In the pollution case they ruled for corporate profit.

Bottom line: corporate power came out on top and the GOP, if it's smart, doesn't look back and goes into 2016 stronger because it isn't being weighed down by losing issues.

Ruled for corporate profits? If those new rules go into place, and it costs $10B, who do you think pays for that? Do you know how electric utilities set rates? Those costs would be passed through to customers (you and I) as a "cost to serve". This was a huge win for the common rate payer (I.e. Customer). Those big bad utilities were protecting our pocket books.
 
Ruled for corporate profits? If those new rules go into place, and it costs $10B, who do you think pays for that? Do you know how electric utilities set rates? Those costs would be passed through to customers (you and I) as a "cost to serve". This was a huge win for the common rate payer (I.e. Customer). Those big bad utilities were protecting our pocket books.

I don't care. It's worth paying a little bit extra to ensure a clean environment and breathable air. I'm sorry you're too cheap to worry about your own health.

Maybe it would incentivize people to be more energy efficient at home.
 
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Their record on science is a lot better than the GOP's or corporate America's.

Personally, I disagree with the far left's position on GMO's (there is no credible science showing GMO's are bad for anyone, not to mention the complete misrepresentation of the term "GMO") and I'm a big supporter of nuclear power. We need more of it. It is much less of a threat than coal is.
I disagree with your first point. I don't know what the GOP or corporate science position is because it depends on who you talk to. However, the environmental groups track record sucks. They pretty much are "the sky is falling" about everything. If we all went back to living like we did in the pre-industrial age then they'd be happy (maybe).
 
I disagree with your first point. I don't know what the GOP or corporate science position is because it depends on who you talk to. However, the environmental groups track record sucks. They pretty much are "the sky is falling" about everything. If we all went back to living like we did in the pre-industrial age then they'd be happy (maybe).

Your point about who you talk to works on everything. Not all environmentalists are the sky is falling type. In fact, most aren't. That's why there isn't as strong of an environmental push as their could be because reasonable people understand that if they want to drive a car or turn on a light, a sacrifice on the environment needs to be made somewhere. The goal is to minimize that impact.
 
Your point about who you talk to works on everything. Not all environmentalists are the sky is falling type. In fact, most aren't. That's why there isn't as strong of an environmental push as their could be because reasonable people understand that if they want to drive a car or turn on a light, a sacrifice on the environment needs to be made somewhere. The goal is to minimize that impact.
Fair enough point on your first sentence. They may even be a vocal minority (although I doubt that), but they certainly grab the majority of the headlines.
 
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Fair enough point on your first sentence. They may even be a vocal minority (although I doubt that), but they certainly grab the majority of the headlines.

Aint that the truth for all vocal minorities. They always end up causing more harm than good.
 
I don't care. It's worth paying a little bit extra to ensure a clean environment and breathable air. I'm sorry you're too cheap to worry about your own health.

Maybe it would incentivize people to be more energy efficient at home.

Pay a little extra? There are some coal heavy states (Pennsylvania, Dakotas, etc) where your electric bill would triple. Seriously folks the move to wind and solar ain't free. Want to know why your bill went up 30% in last several years, it's called renewable regulation, not corporate greed.
 
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They'd rule differently if they lived next to a power plant fueled by coal.

So you're saying their rulings are based on emotions after all, and not based on the laws that are written. At least we're admitting it now.
 
Pretty damn short-sighted but unfortunately that is what our country has become. Short-term profits and big bonuses for self-indulgent assholes are much more important than long term livability for the masses. If only Congress and their rich bosses would come out and tell us to our faces that they want to get rid of us, we could start planning the revolution.
 
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