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Talent Disparity

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It was obvious how much better Duke's talent was. Hard to believe that we can not find good post player after Garza was National Player of the year.

Giving up 4-5 inches inside is tough. Then they throw two 7 footers at you.

Stars do matter. Five star players against 3-4 star players.
 
It was obvious how much better Duke's talent was. Hard to believe that we can not find good post player after Garza was National Player of the year.

Giving up 4-5 inches inside is tough. Then they throw two 7 footers at you.

Stars do matter. Five star players against 3-4 star players.
Stars matter and we got embarrassed by a bunch of freshmen. The game was never really in doubt. We have several kids that have no business being on a P5 basketball scholarship…none!
 
Stars matter and we got embarrassed by a bunch of freshmen. The game was never really in doubt. We have several kids that have no business being on a P5 basketball scholarship…none!
They were not embarrassed, they got beat by a better team.
 
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It's like getting beat by Clemson in football. They have some talent and really not a lot of shame as they have been good recently.
 
It was obvious how much better Duke's talent was. Hard to believe that we can not find good post player after Garza was National Player of the year.

Giving up 4-5 inches inside is tough. Then they throw two 7 footers at you.

Stars do matter. Five star players against 3-4 star players.
$$ is the answer to your question. We don’t currently have what many have to offer.
 
It was obvious how much better Duke's talent was. Hard to believe that we can not find good post player after Garza was National Player of the year.

Giving up 4-5 inches inside is tough. Then they throw two 7 footers at you.

Stars do matter. Five star players against 3-4 star players.
No shame in losing to Duke, but yeah I had that same feeling I get when we I watch Iowa play a second round game in the NCAA Dance (exhibit A: Oregon '21). Even watching the highlights of the Texas/IL game was like watching two programs just on another level than Iowa will ever be. It is what it is, I guess in the end we are essentially a Football school and I can live with that. I highly doubt I will ever watch Iowa in a Final Four game in my lifetime...unless its our Women's team. ;)
 
It was obvious how much better Duke's talent was. Hard to believe that we can not find good post player after Garza was National Player of the year.

Giving up 4-5 inches inside is tough. Then they throw two 7 footers at you.

Stars do matter. Five star players against 3-4 star players.
Hit three 3-pointers, which would have been an average 38% effort, and the disparity is only a couple points. But yeah, a team of top 20, 7-foot recruits is hard to beat.
 
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No shame in losing to Duke, but yeah I had that same feeling I get when we I watch Iowa play a second round game in the NCAA Dance (exhibit A: Oregon '21). Even watching the highlights of the Texas/IL game was like watching two programs just on another level than Iowa will ever be. It is what it is, I guess in the end we are essentially a Football school and I can live with that. I highly doubt I will ever watch Iowa in a Final Four game in my lifetime...unless its our Women's team. ;)
We are an avg to above avg football & basketball school and an elite wrestling school. It is what it is. I'm glad to pay attention to both Basketball & Football. Although, don't count on us having great post season success, if we do, then I'm happy.
 
Stars matter and we got embarrassed by a bunch of freshmen. The game was never really in doubt. We have several kids that have no business being on a P5 basketball scholarship…none!

omfg,.. you should really stop using the term "we" around here.
 
Fran got Filipowski on campus for a visit and some of the crystal balls even had him picking Iowa. We were close, but that doesn't cut it. It's not like Fran isn't trying his best to get guys. In the end, it's about the Jimmys and Joes and not the X's and O's.
 
^^^^ THIS ^^^^

Winnable game last night,.. we shot poorly.

The problem is, that shooting effort is basically what Iowa is. There's maybe one guy in Murray who's above average as a shooter. Other than that it's cross your fingers when they shoot. Probably the worst offensive team in the Fran era.
 
The problem is, that shooting effort is basically what Iowa is. There's maybe one guy in Murray who's above average as a shooter. Other than that it's cross your fingers when they shoot. Probably the worst offensive team in the Fran era.

For the team in general I think it's been poor shot selection and getting shots up too quickly,.. More specifically Kris needs to learn how to play with the double team, Pat needs understand that he has team to dish the ball to, and Payton just needs to find his lost shot,.. Bowen looks good right now and deserves minutes.
 
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We are an avg to above avg football & basketball school and an elite wrestling school. It is what it is. I'm glad to pay attention to both Basketball & Football. Although, don't count on us having great post season success, if we do, then I'm happy.
Very BELOW average b-ball school. Two Sweet 16’s in 30 years….that’s shit!
 
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Stars do indeed matter.
Fran got Filipowski on campus for a visit and some of the crystal balls even had him picking Iowa. We were close, but that doesn't cut it. It's not like Fran isn't trying his best to get guys. In the end, it's about the Jimmys and Joes and not the X's and O's.
I can only imagine the difference between experiencing a sleepy game in Carver and then going to experience the environment at Cameron Indoor as a recruit.
 
We are an avg to above avg football & basketball school and an elite wrestling school. It is what it is. I'm glad to pay attention to both Basketball & Football. Although, don't count on us having great post season success, if we do, then I'm happy.
That's the conclusion I've come to after 40+ years. I personally think we have a little too much home grown talent on the team. Always have, but a lot of fans love it when these guys stay home and play for their university. Some year they might hit it big but the chances are that they will win 20-25 games, get to the tournament, and then look like last night.

It's so much more than "if we just make our 3's". Those shots are missed because the defender is a little closer and a little taller and a little bigger. And we aren't quite as good of shooters. Every one of our players has a weakness in their game and when going against a bigger talented team, it probably won't end well. Especially away from Carver.
 
By definition an average basketball school would be a 500 record since at the end of the year, across all programs, there will be an equal number of wins and losses. In the 30 year time frame I has been around (or below) 500 12 times, most during the unspeakable Lick years. It has happened 3 times in the 12 Fran years and 2 of them were his first 2 years emerging from Lick.

Bottom line, I don't think average (much less below average) means what you think it means.
 
By definition an average basketball school would be a 500 record since at the end of the year, across all programs, there will be an equal number of wins and losses. In the 30 year time frame I has been around (or below) 500 12 times, most during the unspeakable Lick years. It has happened 3 times in the 12 Fran years and 2 of them were his first 2 years emerging from Lick.

Bottom line, I don't think average (much less below average) means what you think it means.
To me average would be winning 2/3s of your games and making NIT. So around top 100. With 350 teams average would be top 175. If you can get into NCAA tournament you are top 68. Definitely 20% of all teams and above the avg of 175th or higher. If you make sweet 16, that's top 2.5%. Not many teams will make this mark.
 
The problem is, that shooting effort is basically what Iowa is. There's maybe one guy in Murray who's above average as a shooter. Other than that it's cross your fingers when they shoot. Probably the worst offensive team in the Fran era.
Not even remotely close to reality.

Do you not remember the Woodbury Gessel years?

There were years where Marble was the only guy who could shoot on the court.

There was a 4 or 5 year stretch where there was never more than two guys that could score in the half court on the floor at once.

We've already seen plenty of offense from most of these guys last year to know this will not hold.
 
For the team in general I think it's been poor shot selection and getting shots up too quickly,.. More specifically Kris needs to learn how to play with the double team, Pat needs understand that he has team to dish the ball to, and Payton just needs to find his lost shot,.. Bowen looks good right now and deserves minutes.
Kris is not getting doubled.

Hes drawing the opponent's best defender, being overplayed/ denied the ball, then help is coming on drives.

What this team needs is to put the ball in Bowens hands, spread the floor and let him attack the defense and distribute or finish.

Kris is not an iso player unless he's at the 5 spot and he's really not a post up guy like Keegan was.
 
I'd rather have poor shooting games early in the season.
This team will be ahead of the curve for playing these tough opponents early.

They always have these crap games early but usually they come at the start of conference season because they aren't prepared for the upgrade in opponent.
 
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This team will be ahead of the curve for playing these tough opponents early.

They always have these crap games early but usually they come at the start of conference season because they aren't prepared for the upgrade in opponent.
Exactly, need to be tested early, so you can bring that same intensity in conference play.
 
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Very BELOW average b-ball school. Two Sweet 16’s in 30 years….that’s shit!
Actually just one in the past 34+ years. Looking like my signature will remain relevant for at least another year. Yep, this is killing my enthusiasm for the program, and I'm a lifelong fan. I ask myself more and more why I even bother.

The last 2 years, we had a 2 and a 5 seed, had players like Luka and Keegan, and still managed one lousy win against Grand freaking Canyon.

Window = missed.
 
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If the game proved anything, it's that Iowa found its point guard. Desonte Bowen is the real deal and he needs to start in place of Tony Perkins. Ahron Ulis is just a back up point guard and nothing more.
I believe the shooting will improve during the Christmas break, it always does.
Duke is a good team, but is not elite, Iowa shot poorly and gave Duke easy baskets. I thought Pilip Rebraca played as well as he could have, battled against taller and much more talented players, but again Fran failed Iowa in the last 2 years in
not getting a legitimate center either by recruitment or in the portal.
This team is going to end up just as the last 13 years of Fran's tenure at Iowa has, losing more then 10 games and if they begin to shoot better maybe a 6, 7, or 8 seed and lose in the first or second round. Unfortunately that is a common trait under Fran.
I do believe that next years recruiting class may be Frans best, but again only time will tell.
I shutter to think how Iowa would have been if Keegan had come back for his junior year, but money talks and maybe it wouldn't have mattered with Fran as our coach anyway, we'll never know.
 
Duke has averaged three McDonald's All-Americans per year in their recruiting class the last ten years. You have to go all of the way back to 2010 to find a year when Duke only recruited one of them in their class.

The last McDonald's All American that Iowa recruited out of high school has a 21 year old kid that is currently in his 2nd year as a walk on playing on the Iowa team.

With the talent disparity between these teams, the game shouldn't have been within 20 points at halftime. I think the bright lights of the big stage of the game impacted our guys a lot more than they did Duke. Our players aren't used to playing with Dick V on the side of the court, playing at MSG, and being one of the top games of the night on ESPN. Duke's players are used to it. Even their freshmen are used to major exposure as high schoolers.


Even with the loss this was a good experience for our team. If they can correct some of their major mistakes they would have been a lot closer in that game through the first half and likely wouldn't have gotten the doors blown off of them at the beginning of the 2nd half. Just like when Izzo always plays a tough non-con to develop his players for Big Ten and tournament play, this should help pay dividends for our team later in the season.
 
Is that what's fueing ISU too?
This is a GREAT question.
WTH does ISU seem to pull players out of their a$$ at that school?
Is it simply a bunch of guys interested in engineering and agriculture LOL?
I am at a loss here as to why they seem to recruit better than Iowa.
 
Fran just needs to better use the transfer portal. Iowa really needed a true 5 this year along with a veteran guard that could score. A team like Iowa should always have 1-2 transfers to help elevate the team. Its been the difference between ISU and Iowa. Even though ISU is bringing in a really good recruiting class next year you know they will also bring in 1-2 impact transfers to help get the most out of the team.
 
Kris is not getting doubled.

Hes drawing the opponent's best defender, being overplayed/ denied the ball, then help is coming on drives.

What this team needs is to put the ball in Bowens hands, spread the floor and let him attack the defense and distribute or finish.

Kris is not an iso player unless he's at the 5 spot and he's really not a post up guy like Keegan was.
Agreed. I think it's pretty obvious that Bowen gives us our best chance to win. He is a legitimate offensive threat. Why keep him on the bench? Let him rip.
 
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