Seems plausible. She lost her job and probably her profession. Some sort of community service, some court-ordered counseling, plus passing some appropriate course in ethics should probably be sufficient.Originally posted by KitingHigh:
Bad luck drawing a feminist Judge. Had she gotten a male judge it probably would have been just probation.
What exactly is the double standard here? I always thought the double standard most HROTers objected to was female teachers getting little or no prison sentence while male teachers tend to get much harsher penalties for tagging female students.Originally posted by What W...us Do?:
Yes it's a double standard, but unless some actual harm can be shown, this sentence is total BS.
ThisOriginally posted by Mountain Man Hawk:
If it was my 15 year old daughter, I'd probably want to rip the guy's head off. If it was a cute teacher like this and my 15 year old son, I'd probably high five him (out of view of my wife of course). Also, does it surprise anyone else that the women teachers caught doing this almost always seem to be good looking? Girls that look like that should have no problem picking up any number of guys at a bar that are of legal age. It makes no sense to me.
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Everybody wants to be treated equal until they are treated equal.Originally posted by bagdropper:
So, she got sentenced like a male gets sentenced.
So we got women wanting equal pay for equal work...but evidently a man getting the book thrown at him is OK but a woman it's not.
Hmmm...
I agree that even if you think this deserves jail, the actual sentence was way beyond reasonable. I hope (and expect) it will be reduced. But it shouldn't have to be reduced. This judge should be removed from office immediately.Originally posted by Derekd3408:
On one hand I'm glad they didn't let her off easy, if a male teacher banged a 15 yr old student there would be outcry. For some of you saying probation is enough, if it happened to your 15 yr old daughter would you feel the same?
On the other hand 15 years is extreme. Manslaughter gets you 15 years. 1-2 years would suffice.
It's a super wierd, hard to comprehend fetish. Just like those sick f**ks that get off on child porn. That chick could walk into any bar, any night, and get banged by a decent looking dude without trying.Originally posted by Aegon_Targaryen:
What is the appeal here ladies? Is it fun doing this with inexperienced, quick to finish, don't know where your spots are, too timid to pull your hair and smack your arse?
These teachers need to get their priorities straight. If you have to go younger, at least find a college freshmen or sophomore.
Just spitballing here, but I doubt it has anything to do with whether or not they are capable of getting a guy their own age. It's probably an issue of power. Sure, she could meet any number of guys her age at a bar. But here she's 100% in control of the situation. It's much easier to manipulate a 15-year-old subordinate than one of your peers.Originally posted by Mounta...n Hawk:
Also, does it surprise anyone else that the women teachers caught doing this almost always seem to be good looking? Girls that look like that should have no problem picking up any number of guys at a bar that are of legal age. It makes no sense to me.
Yes, but power over what? Shes' there teacher, she can already tell him what to do. What is she making him clean her house for her too? When seeking sex, you would think she would seek someone that can actually make something happen. This kid is 15, he doesn't know crap. It seems like child molestation to be honest, which of course it is, but I think girls are just pedophiles too. Not all girls of course.Originally posted by TJ8869:
Just spitballing here, but I doubt it has anything to do with whether or not they are capable of getting a guy their own age. It's probably an issue of power. Sure, she could meet any number of guys her age at a bar. But here she's 100% in control of the situation. It's much easier to manipulate a 15-year-old subordinate than one of your peers.Originally posted by Mounta...n Hawk:
Also, does it surprise anyone else that the women teachers caught doing this almost always seem to be good looking? Girls that look like that should have no problem picking up any number of guys at a bar that are of legal age. It makes no sense to me.
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Why are you assuming that sexual wizardry is their #1 priority in a partner? Even if it is, they might have other sexual partners on the side who do know what they're doing and satisfy that need. These women clearly deviate from the norm, so you can't assume that their selection process is normal.Originally posted by Aegon_Targaryen:
Yes, but power over what? Shes' there teacher, she can already tell him what to do. What is she making him clean her house for her too? When seeking sex, you would think she would seek someone that can actually make something happen. This kid is 15, he doesn't know crap. It seems like child molestation to be honest, which of course it is, but I think girls are just pedophiles too. Not all girls of course.
There just doesn't seem to be any real appeal to it.
I think part of the fantasy is that the teacher was probably not the most popular girl in high school and now she has the attention of one of the "cool" kids. They also get the excitement of doing something society views as dangerous.Originally posted by TJ8869:
Why are you assuming that sexual wizardry is their #1 priority in a partner? Even if it is, they might have other sexual partners on the side who do know what they're doing and satisfy that need. These women clearly deviate from the norm, so you can't assume that their selection process is normal.Originally posted by Aegon_Targaryen:
Yes, but power over what? Shes' there teacher, she can already tell him what to do. What is she making him clean her house for her too? When seeking sex, you would think she would seek someone that can actually make something happen. This kid is 15, he doesn't know crap. It seems like child molestation to be honest, which of course it is, but I think girls are just pedophiles too. Not all girls of course.
There just doesn't seem to be any real appeal to it.
The 15-year-old student represents someone they can have a sexual/emotional relationship with and be in complete control. As George Costanza would say, she has hand.
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Dang you Strumm!!! Now you have me feeling weird about enjoying the brazillian look. LOL.Originally posted by strummingram:
It sorta makes me feel okay when things like this make NO sense to me at all!
I don't get the connection between sex and children (or what you perceive as being a child). I'm glad that when I first saw Playboy and Penthouse, the women had full bush pubes! I think it sent a message to my subconscious that women HAVE hair down there and children don't! That's why it creeps me out when women shave their cooch bald.
I've always thought it has to do with what all women crave - attention. He's horny so he puts up with her BS, tells her what she wants to hear, and dotes on her night and day. They probably texted, IM'd, talked every waking minute like a couple of love sick idiots. You know....all the shit that dudes eventually get tired of doing after we have had our share of ass and grow older.Originally posted by Aegon_Targaryen:
What is the appeal here ladies? Is it fun doing this with inexperienced, quick to finish, don't know where your spots are, too timid to pull your hair and smack your arse?
These teachers need to get their priorities straight. If you have to go younger, at least find a college freshmen or sophomore.
It's the law, she broke it, and she shouldn't be treated any different than a man in the same situation. The minute you create a double standard with the law....you might as well throw it out.Originally posted by What Would Jesus Do?:
Here we go again.
She's not bad looking. He's 15.
Yes it's a double standard, but unless some actual harm can be shown, this sentence is total BS.
Why not just remove the double standard then by changing the law.Originally posted by InsaneHawk:
It's the law, she broke it, and she shouldn't be treated any different than a man in the same situation. The minute you create a double standard with the law....you might as well throw it out.Originally posted by What Would Jesus Do?:
Here we go again.
She's not bad looking. He's 15.
Yes it's a double standard, but unless some actual harm can be shown, this sentence is total BS.
One other thing is the little school girl or in this case the little school boy hang-up.Originally posted by TJ8869:
Why are you assuming that sexual wizardry is their #1 priority in a partner? Even if it is, they might have other sexual partners on the side who do know what they're doing and satisfy that need. These women clearly deviate from the norm, so you can't assume that their selection process is normal.Originally posted by Aegon_Targaryen:
Yes, but power over what? Shes' there teacher, she can already tell him what to do. What is she making him clean her house for her too? When seeking sex, you would think she would seek someone that can actually make something happen. This kid is 15, he doesn't know crap. It seems like child molestation to be honest, which of course it is, but I think girls are just pedophiles too. Not all girls of course.
There just doesn't seem to be any real appeal to it.
The 15-year-old student represents someone they can have a sexual/emotional relationship with and be in complete control. As George Costanza would say, she has hand.
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Trust is a critical factor for deciding something wrong is happened. But harm is the critical factor for deciding what the punishment should be. We may agree that the violation of trust is equivalent in the 2 cases but the harm is not equivalent.Originally posted by IMCC965:
EVERY single one of you is missing the point of the 15 year sentence: she is in a postion of public TRUST. Parents expect the person teaching, preaching, protecting, etc. to be an adult of upstanding moral character. The law takes this into account when this happens.
Just because she's a female does not give her a pass because she's good looking and the 15 year old BOY is expected to have sex with whatever age female he can get his hands on.
In Iowa, adults in positions of trust (see above) not only get a long prison sentence and put on the sex offender list, they also receive a special life sentence. They will be monitored by a parole officer for LIFE.
Just the fact that some of you see a difference between what an adult male does to a young girl and what an adult female does to a young boy, is pretty disturbing.
You're right. My apologies.Originally posted by bagdropper:
Not every single one of us is, IMCC...
I said up above...throw the book at her. The book states life imprisonment evidently if I read that correct.
She got off lucky. I have never, ever understood why women seem to get off easily compared to men.
Are you drunk. Are you saying women that young are harmed worse than boys that age? If you are, then you haven't spoken with too many people that have been abused by adults. I have. They're messed up regardless of the gender that did them wrong.Originally posted by What Would Jesus Do?:
Trust is a critical factor for deciding something wrong is happened. But harm is the critical factor for deciding what the punishment should be. We may agree that the violation of trust is equivalent in the 2 cases but the harm is not equivalent.Originally posted by IMCC965:
EVERY single one of you is missing the point of the 15 year sentence: she is in a postion of public TRUST. Parents expect the person teaching, preaching, protecting, etc. to be an adult of upstanding moral character. The law takes this into account when this happens.
Just because she's a female does not give her a pass because she's good looking and the 15 year old BOY is expected to have sex with whatever age female he can get his hands on.
In Iowa, adults in positions of trust (see above) not only get a long prison sentence and put on the sex offender list, they also receive a special life sentence. They will be monitored by a parole officer for LIFE.
Just the fact that some of you see a difference between what an adult male does to a young girl and what an adult female does to a young boy, is pretty disturbing.
When we give speeding tickets it doesn't matter what the gender of the driver is (or it shouldn't, in any case) because the potential for harm is based on the speed, not the gender. But in the case of sex in an unequal power relationship, we do (usually) recognize that gender makes a difference in the actual or potential harm.
That's what we call harsh. I mean for christs sake, she gave that boy a hell of a good memory in life, and the government comes in and does this.Originally posted by HawkFantastic:
Instead of life in prison, she got 15 years with parole eligibility in five-and-a-half years.
Life in prison could been in play? Wow!
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It wouldn't be life in prison. It's a life sentence, but she's not locked up her entire life.Originally posted by HawkFantastic:
Instead of life in prison, she got 15 years with parole eligibility in five-and-a-half years.
Life in prison could been in play? Wow!
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Originally posted by IMCC965:
It wouldn't be life in prison. It's a life sentence, but she's not locked up her entire life.Originally posted by HawkFantastic:
Instead of life in prison, she got 15 years with parole eligibility in five-and-a-half years.
Life in prison could been in play? Wow!
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Originally posted by What W...us Do?:
Seems plausible. She lost her job and probably her profession. Some sort of community service, some court-ordered counseling, plus passing some appropriate course in ethics should probably be sufficient.Originally posted by KitingHigh:
Bad luck drawing a feminist Judge. Had she gotten a male judge it probably would have been just probation.
Sounds like somebody has had to sit through a few lectures about ending consensual relationships with his prisoners.Originally posted by IMCC965:
EVERY single one of you is missing the point of the 15 year sentence: she is in a postion of public TRUST. Parents expect the person teaching, preaching, protecting, etc. to be an adult of upstanding moral character. The law takes this into account when this happens.
Just because she's a female does not give her a pass because she's good looking and the 15 year old BOY is expected to have sex with whatever age female he can get his hands on.
In Iowa, adults in positions of trust (see above) not only get a long prison sentence and put on the sex offender list, they also receive a special life sentence. They will be monitored by a parole officer for LIFE.
Just the fact that some of you see a difference between what an adult male does to a young girl and what an adult female does to a young boy, is pretty disturbing.
Originally posted by SF HAWKEYE:
I like how she apologized to the victim, his family, the school, the community, her family and oh yeah lastly her husband.... Poor guy what woman is going to want to date him? Bad enough she cheated on him but with a 15 year old?! How embarassing.