Teddy Greenstein of the Chicago Tribune about to weigh in?
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Do a little research yourself. European countries were able to reduce the spread because most residents followed guidelines and mandates that were put forth by their respective governments. It was not a political issue for them.
we are doing it here under threat of being fined since april and supposedly having outbreaks but i dunno how anybody would know the true results with all the lies and false positives
The numbers can be debated but given how little we know about this virus and how infectious it seems to be, I would rather error on caution.
False positives are not from the viral tests (the vast majority of tests being done, the nasal swab tests). The false positives are from the antibody blood tests which are rarely being done because of their inaccuracy. I have had the swab test and know no one who has had the blood test.
Don't spread crap rumors. This is very serious stuff!
Yeah, don't spread crap rumors.
https://humansarefree.com/2020/07/why-covid19-pcr-tests-are-scientifically-meaningless.html
You crappy rumor person.
https://uncoverdc.com/2020/04/07/was-the-covid-19-test-meant-to-detect-a-virus/
That is quite a collection of research that you have put together. After reading those articles, I have come to appreciate the opinion of a doctor even more. Thank you for such enlightenment.
Everything you say is not true, no matter how bad you want it to be.
EVERY SINGLE THING YOU MENTION ALSO HAPPENS WITH THE FLU. EVERY...SINGLE...ONE.
Blood Clots----FLU
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4947825/
Stroke----FLU
https://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/news/20190130/flu-may-raise-chance-of-stroke-neck-artery-tears#1
Lung Damage----FLU
https://erj.ersjournals.com/content/45/5/1463
Amputations----FLU
https://www.sepsis.org/sepsisand/influenza/
Encephalitis---FLU
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5343125/
Heart----FLU
https://www.hindawi.com/journals/irt/2012/351979/
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Ok fine...there were plenty more but here are just a few.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehil...nt-abolishing-term-limits-maybe-well-give?amp
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-president-erdogan-turkey-bilateral-meeting/
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I can make the same argument about drunk driving being a hoax too. Accidents happen to other non drunk drivers as well!!
it’s about how prevalent an outcome is not whether it’s observed.
It’s laughable you think you’ve educated someone in the medical field (Dargo) who tried to inform and correct you. my opinion still stands...you’re a world class moron
Nice try at bait and switch, what communist leaders has Trump said were historically great? Maybe we need to slow down so you can keep up, please pay attention. Maybe if you read a history of communist atrocities instead of allowing yourself to be indoctrinated, this world would be a safer and better place. leftists have always been and always be evil.
I know you won't agree, but I informed and corrected him.
He probably had no idea. In fact, I'm certain of it.
The side effects he noted that he THOUGHT make COVID different than the flu, are the exact same as the flu.
Look, I'm just here to help educate folks like you. I encourage you all to click on the links and improve your knowledge of the situation.
And to clear, I'm not blaming Dargo for his ignorance.
He's watched the news and the fear porn media and their constant reports of "unknown long term effects" of COVID and their reporting on the super scary known side effects that are surfacing in some.
He assumed they were unique to the virus because not one news outlet has mentioned those side effects are the exact same as the flu.
There's plenty of blame to go around for the misinformation that's being spread, but I don't think Dargo's intentions were nefarious in any way.
He just didn't know when he was completely and utterly wrong with this statement:
Dargo: you will see the effects covid has on the body can be far more serious and life changing than influenza. Blood clots, stroke, permanent lung damage/fibrosis, amputations of extremities due to blood clots, lasting neurological effects.
I'm just glad that he now knows that what he said was completely wrong. It's important that people in the medical field are as informed as possible so that they don't unintentionally spread misinformation through their ignorance.
Thank you and may God bless us all.
He's watched the news and the fear porn media and their constant reports of "unknown long term effects" of COVID and their reporting on the super scary known side effects that are surfacing in some.
He assumed they were unique to the virus because not one news outlet has mentioned those side effects are the exact same as the flu.
There's plenty of blame to go around for the misinformation that's being spread, but I don't think Dargo's intentions were nefarious in any way.
He just didn't know when he was completely and utterly wrong with this statement:
Dargo: you will see the effects covid has on the body can be far more serious and life changing than influenza. Blood clots, stroke, permanent lung damage/fibrosis, amputations of extremities due to blood clots, lasting neurological effects.
I'm just glad that he now knows that what he said was completely wrong. It's important that people in the medical field are as informed as possible so that they don't unintentionally spread misinformation through their ignorance.
Thank you and may God bless us all.
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I am glad you recognize the lunacy of your argument.
I'm sorry, did you even read your own examples? Per CNN (no conservative mouthpiece) the first statement was made in a speech filled with jokes and were made in jest!!! The second article was the president speaking to the president of Turkey in a polite manner. Should the president have spit in the face of another world leader? Please just be honest with yourself.....
I think you might be a step slow, upstairs.
I've never said that COVID-19 is a hoax. You might have me confused with someone else.
I said that Dargo was completely and totally wrong with his statement and then, as a courtesy to the reader, I provided links showing that he was completely and totally wrong in his statements.
This was especially necessary to do because people know that he is in the medical field and probably assumed that he knew what he was talking about, when in fact, he had no idea.
It's important that we have checks and balances in times like these and that we're not just taking things at face value that we've seen on TV, FB or Twitter.
I hope the lesson has been learned and I can go to bed knowing that I did my part to get accurate information out there.
are the tests 100 % accurate, no; are mistakes made, yes. But please the PCR test is particularly accurate and sensitive, sometimes it is negative very early in the infection because there is not enough virus present to detect, sometimes it gives a positive after the person is no longer infectious because they still may have bits of viral RNA present but you can be very confident if the PCR test says you have it you do.
The antigen test is much less reliable but generally if it is wrong it is a false negative, not a false positive.
but you don't need to believe me, below is a link to a summary from MIT medical that is pretty easy to understand. I tend to believe them and science. Yes you can find someone to present data on either side but the vast majority of scientists and medical personnel believe in the accuracy of the tests. I know it really won't matter to those who believe Bill Gates is trying to microchip us all but anyway. Again I am not advocating closing down society, the economy etc. but don't back up your argument saying it is just like the flu, it is a hoax promoted by politicians, the testing is bogus etc. Accept the facts and decide based on those, i honestly think we should go about critical activities to keep the economy going, is college football one of those critical activities, i don't know maybe it is.
https://medical.mit.edu/faqs/faq-testing-covid-19
https://medical.mit.edu/faqs/faq-testing-covid-19
And if Dargo is indeed a medical professional, I would hope that he would go back and edit this post and take out all of the incorrect parts that I've bolded down below.
OK this made me laugh, it is true i think one of the reasons the US mortality rate is high is because as a population we are fat compared to much of the world, and yeah it hits old people much harder, and 'fractional outlier' really did make me chuckle. I appreciate the direct and honest reply without trying to say its a political hoax, its nothing more than the flu, the testing is massively and intentionally bogus, or Bill Gates is satan (well i did think that once when i first installed Microsoft XP), etc etc.
Are you nuts? I have no frigging idea what you are talking about. These are Trump tweets about US governors.
Are you talking about Trump's love for Putin? Kim Yong-un?
Now Microsoft is gonna own Tik Tok so people can get high on legal weed and make stupid videos. America!
Okay, allow me to explain. The original poster tried to blame Trump for citizens not following guidelines and allowing Covid-19 to spread. The assumption being Trump controls the actions of anyone who says or does anything counter to your priorities. I believe we need to try and get politics out of this medical crisis. So I said blaming Trump for everything is the left's universal position. (You can't deny that) The same left that accepts and believes any nonsense their communist comrades espouse. That was the point.
My post is about Trump fostering protests against governors who promoted masking and social distancing. He has not exactly been supportive of measures to combat Covid-19, and that is a fact. He has the power to do that but he has chosen not to. Why? Not a political question, but a health issue. We need leadership for this to start at the top!
I appreciate your response. I agree with you that if more people wore masks and practiced social distancing, there's a chance the spread may be slowed. I don't believe the president should demand anything from anyone, he should simply advise. I do agree that something as serious as Covid-19 should not be politicized but it is, on both sides. The left wanted to and still wants to shut the economy down to hurt the president in this election year and the president is fighting back. That is a fact. Both the left and right are wrong in this case.......
are the only options here either to "like" or "unlike" someone's post.... they need to have the "OMG that is the most asinine thing i have ever heard" option
I guarantee you the complainers are not complying with everything themselves. You watch their social media on facebook, etc. They bitch about not wearing masks and I guarantee you they are going places and not wearing one at times. Or they say kids should not go back to school as their kids run around the neighborhood playing with all the other kids or they send their kid somewhere when they are sick, cause ya know "its just the sniffles and mommy and daddy got to go to work".
This is like when people say they never speed when they drive. Never.
