Tennessee fired Phillip Fulmer; LSU got rid of Les Miles; Look at them now

[Franisdaman]

LSU just lost their homecoming game to Troy. Yes, that powerhouse from the state of Alabama.

Remember when we got throttled by Tennessee in the bowl game and Butch Jones was the hot coach and Tennessee was on the rise? Well, CBSsports.com today called him "dead man walking."


TENNESSEE

COACH.....YEARS.....WINS.....LOSSES.....CONF TITLES....NATL TITLES
Fulmer....1992-2008....152............52...................2.........................1 (1998)
Kiffin............2009............7..............6...................0.........................0............
Dooley...2010-2012.......15............21...................0.........................0.............
Jones....2013-present....30...........21...................0.........................0............

LSU

COACH.....YEARS.....WINS.....LOSSES.....CONF TITLES....NATL TITLES
Miles......2005-2016....114............34...................2.........................1 (2007)
Orgeron.2016-present....5..............2...................0.........................0

 

[Qued18]

Both those coaches put a dent in our bowl game.
SEC was second to none when they were there.

Would like to see what KF could do with their Jimmies and Joe's..gotta recruit better players as well as build them up.

 

[JerNHawk]

I hope you're not comparing Ferentz to Fulmer or Miles. I'm not saying Kirk should be fired but if your reasoning for not getting rid of a coach is because you're afraid the next coach might be worse, then that is a terrible way of thinking. People were probably worried after Hayden left here too.

 

[Franisdaman]

I hope you're not comparing Ferentz to Fulmer or Miles. I'm not saying Kirk should be fired but if your reasoning for not getting rid of a coach is because you're afraid the next coach might be worse, then that is a terrible way of thinking. People were probably worried after Hayden left here too.

Are you saying we should get rid of KF?

 

[HawkGem11]

Are you saying we should get rid of KF?

Yes he is garbage

 

[MeetTheFerentz]

I hope you're not comparing Ferentz to Fulmer or Miles. I'm not saying Kirk should be fired but if your reasoning for not getting rid of a coach is because you're afraid the next coach might be worse, then that is a terrible way of thinking. People were probably worried after Hayden left here too.

This.

Being "afraid" to replace KF is definitely a loser's mentality, and it runs rampant through the Iowa fan base.

I've been rather neutral when it comes to KF - I have supported him for the most part, but I've been hard on him when I felt he was worthy of criticism. He's had his share of success, but he is the longest tenured coach in the country; nothing wrong with looking to the future.

While the examples given at the beginning of this thread are not unique, there are certainly examples of long-tenured coaches being replaced and the program not skipping a beat or even becoming better. I'd have to think Oklahoma is happy with their current coach, as is Penn St, Georgia, and Va Tech. Think Washington fans wish Don James were still at the helm? I don't remember Wisconsin's program falling off a cliff after Barry hung it up. Maybe Clemson should have stuck with Tommy Bowden a little longer, with those consistent 6-9 win seasons.

While I believe KF has at least earned the benefit of the doubt and may have a few years left in him, I do NOT think that he has earned the right to essentially name his kid as his successor, nor do I believe the Iowa faithful should be "afraid" to move on. The Athletic Department should probably already be thinking about the next potential head coach, as KF is at a point when he could announce his retirement at any time. Of course, I don't trust GB one iota with the next head coach hiring, but that's an entirely different problem.

 

[83Hawk]

If Brian takes over for Kirk I will probably stop buying season tickets.

 

[hawkeye bb n fb fan]

If Brian takes over for Kirk I will probably stop buying season tickets.

Haha if he adjusts to the whole game as bad as he does at OC we are doomed forever. We might be bad enough that someone will have to fire him and that would be something wouldn't it

 

[SDHawkDoc]

I don't think KF is a great coach, currently. Nor is he terrible. I don't consider myself for or against him.
I do agree with JerN Hawk that fear of what might come after is a poor way to evaluate whether or not a coach should stay or go.

The person in the department who should have been gone long ago is Barta. The ridiculous extensions given to Ferentz were bad enough. Hiring of licklighter should have gotten him the axe. Now with the trial we find out he couldn't even bother to complete the most basic function of a supervisor and document the problems of subordinates, leading to terrible press, losing verdict, and million dollar payouts. Now that's incompetence worthy of being fired.

 

[SotaHawk87]

I don't think KF is a great coach, currently. Nor is he terrible. I don't consider myself for or against him.
I do agree with JerN Hawk that fear of what might come after is a poor way to evaluate whether or not a coach should stay or go.

The person in the department who should have been gone long ago is Barta. The ridiculous extensions given to Ferentz were bad enough. Hiring of licklighter should have gotten him the axe. Now with the trial we find out he couldn't even bother to complete the most basic function of a supervisor and document the problems of subordinates, leading to terrible press, losing verdict, and million dollar payouts. Now that's incompetence worthy of being fired.

Conveniently leave out the hiring of gran who is building something very special!

 

[SDHawkDoc]

Conveniently leave out the hiring of gran who is building something very special!

I like what Fran is doing. Absolutely.
That doesn't offset the multiple other failures.

 

[MeetTheFerentz]

The person in the department who should have been gone long ago is Barta. The ridiculous extensions given to Ferentz were bad enough. Hiring of licklighter should have gotten him the axe. Now with the trial we find out he couldn't even bother to complete the most basic function of a supervisor and document the problems of subordinates, leading to terrible press, losing verdict, and million dollar payouts. Now that's incompetence worthy of being fired.

That's why I was SO disappointed in Bruce Harreld. He seemed like the perfect guy to take a hard look at GB and tell him to go take a flying f**k. Instead he gave him an extension. Just befuddled me. BH surely could have found another good fundraiser, which is GB's only redeeming quality. 1) He presides over the worst overall performing athletic department in the B1G. 2) He has all kinds of baggage left over from the gender equality/civil rights scandals. 3) His only quality hire, Fran, seems to be building something good at Iowa, but has yet to make a major splash in his first 7 years, and it followed the Lick disaster, arguably the worst hiring in B1G history.

 

[OutbackBowl2017]

LSU just lost their homecoming game to Troy. Yes, that powerhouse from the state of Alabama.

Remember when we got throttled by Tennessee in the bowl game and Butch Jones was the hot coach and Tennessee was on the rise? Well, CBSsports.com today called him "dead man walking."


TENNESSEE

COACH.....YEARS.....WINS.....LOSSES.....CONF TITLES....NATL TITLES
Fulmer....1992-2008....152............52...................2.........................1 (1998)
Kiffin............2009............7..............6...................0.........................0............
Dooley...2010-2012.......15............21...................0.........................0.............
Jones....2013-present....30...........21...................0.........................0............

LSU

COACH.....YEARS.....WINS.....LOSSES.....CONF TITLES....NATL TITLES
Miles......2005-2016....114............34...................2.........................1 (2007)
Orgeron.2016-present....5..............2...................0.........................0

Both won National Championships for their respective team so the schools and fans expected that on a regular basis.

KF has not. I'd be happy with a game plan that gives the team a chance to win every week with an offensive game plan that attacks the opposing D's weaknesses and exploits them.

Iowa makes teams look like world beaters on a weekly basis with their prevent O and D.

 

[hawkeye bb n fb fan]

Both won National Championships for their respective team so the schools and fans expected that on a regular basis.

KF has not. I'd be happy with a game plan that gives the team a chance to win every week with an offensive game plan that attacks the opposing D's weaknesses and exploits them.

Iowa makes teams look like world beaters on a weekly basis with their prevent O and D.

Until the last paragraph changes we won't take the next step forward

 

[Dumpster Fire Smores]

Are you saying we should get rid of KF?

Hell no. There's no guarantee we'd ever win a game again. It's better to win 3-6 games a year versus possibly never winning a game again. Just a few reasons to keep Captain Kirk: We produce nice men. Look how many NFL players we have. We have the best offensive line in the country every single year. Absolute proof of coaching supremacy.

I won't bring up how we're always contending for Big Ten championships, because wins and losses shouldn't be used to judge a coach's competence.

 

[IowaHawkeyeFBnBB4Life]

Those two teams were chasing national titles and Alabama probably unjustly. Iowa we just want to be in position to win 8-10 games and the west division then see what happens.

Right now, we can't even run the ball for 50 yards in a B1G game.

 

[ChuckThomas12]

Fans like you, OP, are part of the problem.

 

[Hans81]

I hope you're not comparing Ferentz to Fulmer or Miles. I'm not saying Kirk should be fired but if your reasoning for not getting rid of a coach is because you're afraid the next coach might be worse, then that is a terrible way of thinking. People were probably worried after Hayden left here too.

Look at Nebby - still trying to find a decent coach...be careful what you wish for.

 

[83Hawk]

Look at Nebby - still trying to find a decent coach...be careful what you wish for.

Remember what happened when we ran Tom Davis out of town.....(sorry, I couldn't resist)

That attitude of being afraid the next coach might be worse has got to stop.

 

[Franisdaman]

This.

Being "afraid" to replace KF is definitely a loser's mentality, and it runs rampant through the Iowa fan base.

I've been rather neutral when it comes to KF - I have supported him for the most part, but I've been hard on him when I felt he was worthy of criticism. He's had his share of success, but he is the longest tenured coach in the country; nothing wrong with looking to the future.

While the examples given at the beginning of this thread are not unique, there are certainly examples of long-tenured coaches being replaced and the program not skipping a beat or even becoming better. I'd have to think Oklahoma is happy with their current coach, as is Penn St, Georgia, and Va Tech. Think Washington fans wish Don James were still at the helm? I don't remember Wisconsin's program falling off a cliff after Barry hung it up. Maybe Clemson should have stuck with Tommy Bowden a little longer, with those consistent 6-9 win seasons.

While I believe KF has at least earned the benefit of the doubt and may have a few years left in him, I do NOT think that he has earned the right to essentially name his kid as his successor, nor do I believe the Iowa faithful should be "afraid" to move on. The Athletic Department should probably already be thinking about the next potential head coach, as KF is at a point when he could announce his retirement at any time. Of course, I don't trust GB one iota with the next head coach hiring, but that's an entirely different problem.

KF has been B1G coach of the year 4 times

he finished 5 seasons in the AP top 10

he runs a clean program

look at the facility upgrades

he is about to become the winningest coach in Iowa history

the 2 turnovers killed Iowa's chances vs Michigan State, not KF

this is not a loser's mentality; it is the facts

its not like KF is Todd Lickliter, folks

 

[kceasthawk]

Fans like you, OP, are part of the problem.

I see this posted from time to time, and I'd love an explanation as to why you believe this. I don't feel like I'm either naive enough, or self absorbed enough to thing that anything I say either effects the outcome of games, or the future job security of the coaches. Maybe you see your self differently. And please don't insult us with the "we fans pushed Lick out story". That guy was so far beyond bad, the AD had no choice but to cut him loose, empty seats or not.

 

[pamarcole]

9 times out of 10 the team gets worse after firing there coach ....lets be like Nebraska.....look how will they have done after firing there coaches! I also love how the people on this board that know nothing about coaching knows everything about coaching. How is it that the people that truly know football including peeps in the NFL have nothing but respect for Kirk. It's like sitting at a football game .....I love all of the coaches in the stands ,,,they drive me nuts ....why arent they coaching! The answer is ....they have no clue like most of the chicken little's on here!!

 

[Wasnt-drunk-didnt-troll]

I would love any form of an actual statistic that shows firing a coach leads to poor performance. You hang our head on that Nebraska name but they ran 3, 9 win coaches out of town and will continue to make the decisions necessary to eventually get back to where they want. On the other hand I could name a ton of programs that have made hires that have improved the program. Gasp even at schools with lower prestige than Iowa........ It is a losers mentality. No one is going anywhere but being afraid to break up with your horrible girlfriend because your next girlfriend could be worse is a losers mentality.

 

[Franisdaman]

I see this posted from time to time, and I'd love an explanation as to why you believe this. I don't feel like I'm either naive enough, or self absorbed enough to thing that anything I say either effects the outcome of games, or the future job security of the coaches. Maybe you see your self differently. And please don't insult us with the "we fans pushed Lick out story". That guy was so far beyond bad, the AD had no choice but to cut him loose, empty seats or not.

Nice post.

I simply ask, has KF done a good job over the last 19 years?

Did he cause us to lose the game or did the 2 turnovers do us in?

The defense was not perfect, either, giving up that opening drive touchdown.

I just think people overreact and think that Iowa deserves to WIN EVERY GAME. Well guess what? The other team has 85 scholarship players, too, and playing at home makes a huge difference.

Oh, and Northwestern, Iowa State and Wisconsin are no longer given wins; there is a lot of parity now that there wasn't back in the 1980's

 

[Franisdaman]

This is what football limbo looks like at LSU …

Five games into a five-year contract, critics are suggesting the school write a $12 million buyout check to Ed Orgeron after the Tigers lost to Troy.


https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...innable-situation-for-lsu-orgeron-and-alleva/

 

[dandh]

Both won National Championships for their respective team so the schools and fans expected that on a regular basis.

KF has not. I'd be happy with a game plan that gives the team a chance to win every week with an offensive game plan that attacks the opposing D's weaknesses and exploits them.

Iowa makes teams look like world beaters on a weekly basis with their prevent O and D.

We've had a chance to win every week this year. Are you saying you're happy?

 

[ScoutRefugee]

This.

Being "afraid" to replace KF is definitely a loser's mentality, and it runs rampant through the Iowa fan base.

I've been rather neutral when it comes to KF - I have supported him for the most part, but I've been hard on him when I felt he was worthy of criticism. He's had his share of success, but he is the longest tenured coach in the country; nothing wrong with looking to the future.

While the examples given at the beginning of this thread are not unique, there are certainly examples of long-tenured coaches being replaced and the program not skipping a beat or even becoming better. I'd have to think Oklahoma is happy with their current coach, as is Penn St, Georgia, and Va Tech. Think Washington fans wish Don James were still at the helm? I don't remember Wisconsin's program falling off a cliff after Barry hung it up. Maybe Clemson should have stuck with Tommy Bowden a little longer, with those consistent 6-9 win seasons.

While I believe KF has at least earned the benefit of the doubt and may have a few years left in him, I do NOT think that he has earned the right to essentially name his kid as his successor, nor do I believe the Iowa faithful should be "afraid" to move on. The Athletic Department should probably already be thinking about the next potential head coach, as KF is at a point when he could announce his retirement at any time. Of course, I don't trust GB one iota with the next head coach hiring, but that's an entirely different problem.

It's like your read my mind.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

What people don't seem to realize is that the cost that KF demands for his services keeps going up, yet the expectations and the number of BIG titles he delivers have gone down.
KF won 2 BIG titles and 3 - 10 win seasons in his first 6 seasons (1999- 2004).
He's won ZERO BIG titles and had 2 - 10 win seasons in the 12 seasons after 2004 (2005 - 2016).
Yet his salary has tripled since 2004.
I don't know anyone here that wants to go shopping and pay 3X as much for 1/3 of the previous value. That's what we are getting from KF. There are lots of fans that will make excuses on top of excuses for why it's right but that's all they are. Excuses.

 

[HawkIDrummer]

This.

Being "afraid" to replace KF is definitely a loser's mentality, and it runs rampant through the Iowa fan base.
.

Fan version of "Playing not to lose". Apparently it's contagious

 

[bdg8]

That's why I was SO disappointed in Bruce Harreld. He seemed like the perfect guy to take a hard look at GB and tell him to go take a flying f**k. Instead he gave him an extension. Just befuddled me. BH surely could have found another good fundraiser, which is GB's only redeeming quality. 1) He presides over the worst overall performing athletic department in the B1G. 2) He has all kinds of baggage left over from the gender equality/civil rights scandals. 3) His only quality hire, Fran, seems to be building something good at Iowa, but has yet to make a major splash in his first 7 years, and it followed the Lick disaster, arguably the worst hiring in B1G history.

Are you kidding on Fran being only quality hire? I mean that is just ridiculous

 

[MeetTheFerentz]

Are you kidding on Fran being only quality hire? I mean that is just ridiculous

I'll give you Rick Heller, but you're going to have to enlighten me on all these other terrific coaches he hired. I'll admit I don't know a lot about many of the smaller revenue sports, but what I do see are lots of lower division finishes, and Iowa having Director's Cup finishes commonly 12th-13th in the B1G.

Don't leave me hanging.

On second thought, don't bother. If you're happy with GB and the job he's done then you and I might as well be on different planets, and no bantering on this board is going to bring our opinions closer together.

 

[bdg8]

I'll give you Rick Heller, but you're going to have to enlighten me on all these other terrific coaches he hired. I'll admit I don't know a lot about many of the smaller revenue sports, but what I do see are lots of lower division finishes, and Iowa having Director's Cup finishes commonly 12th-13th in the B1G.

Don't leave me hanging.

On second thought, don't bother. If you're happy with GB and the job he's done then you and I might as well be on different planets, and no bantering on this board is going to bring our opinions closer together.

Boyd, Woody. I think that was Barta. I am sure I am forgetting others

 

[swagsurfer02]

If Iowa got rid of KF, they would most likely never win another football game

 

[MeetTheFerentz]

Boyd, Woody

What does HE coach? You might be mixing him up with Pantusso, Ernie. Now HE was the coach.

 

[Franisdaman]

If Iowa got rid of KF, they would most likely never win another football game

all i am saying is if you make a coaching change, you had better get it right. Tennessee can't seem "to get it right."

Tennessee will fire Butch Jones and will be on their 5th coach during KF's tenure at Iowa