Based on your posting here, I'd postulate those nuns could have taught you a whole lot more.Are you saying that gassing or shooting 6 million innocent people cannot be discussed unless you curse and show nude images? How did I learn so much about the Holocaust in Catholic school, then? I PROMISE you the nuns managed to teach us about it without one “bad word” or naked pictures.
Get over yourself and the personal attacks. Postulate my ass. If my kids were in 8th grade and this was part of their curriculum, I wouldn't get my panties in a wad. My subsequent posts indicated I was not defending the decision, but that I suspected the board was responding to the wishes of parents and community.Based on your posting here, I'd postulate those nuns could have taught you a whole lot more.
But regarding Maus, it's a graphic novel. A cartoon mouse nipple. that's what these people are reportedly up in arms about. Those kids here and read far worse language on a daily basis. Watering down genocide to placate the bible thumpers is ridiculous.
The book is not banned. The book can be published. The book can be bought and sold. The book can be possessed by anybody.I don't understand this sh!t! Some Republican please explain this crap to me
100 people in a community of how many?The book is not banned. The book can be published. The book can be bought and sold. The book can be possessed by anybody.
100 people chose to not have the book in their school's library after one person chose to put it there.
So, a 17 year old gets it and learns from it. Maybe it should be junior or senior class material. This vote is for eighth graders.
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I thought it was a comic book. I first saw this book called "Maus" on the shelf in the guest room of our Nashville house. I don't remember why I was looking at the books. Maybe I was just a bored 17-year-old looking for something to do. I just remember being confused, because as far as I knew my parents didn't own any comic books. And why did it have a swastika on the cover? But I picked it up, sat down on the couch and started to read.
As I flipped the pages, I felt myself becoming a little disoriented, unclear why this book was telling the story of the Holocaust in this way, with drawings of Jews as mice and Nazis as cats. But I was quickly drawn in, flipping pages faster and faster, then pausing, going back and trying to process the visual narrative of Art Spiegelman's graphic novel instead of just skimming words. In the end, I felt unsettled, unsure of what I just encountered, but sensing it mattered deeply.
Back then, as a bookish Jewish teenager, I was pretty sure I knew a lot about the history of the Holocaust. My parents were historians. I was, it turned out, pretty good in history class. I had read "Man's Search for Meaning" by the survivor Victor Frankl in eighth grade.
But "Maus" was different -- I was pulled in by the choices made possible by the medium itself. It was hand-drawn, the mice at once distinct as characters (the author, his mother, his father and their community) but at the same time rendered into a mob of animals fit only for slaughter by the Nazi cats. The triangular shape of the mice's heads evoked long-held stereotypes about the shapes of our faces as seen by our oppressors, while also conveying warmth and even humanity.
I can't tell you why it worked, but it did -- and reading it changed me. Clearly, I'm not alone in finding the book a perspective-altering experience. It's the only graphic novel to win the Pulitzer Prize, and it's become part of school curricula all around the country.
But not everywhere. Earlier this week, back in my home state of Tennessee, the McMinn County Board of Education voted 10-0 to remove the book from the curriculum. They cited a few instances of profanity and a "naked picture" -- this is a small image of the artist's mother in the bathtub after taking pills and slashing her wrists, with her breasts visible -- as in violation of standards and thus unteachable. On CNN, Spiegelman said, "You have to really, like, want to get your sexual kicks by projecting on it. I think they're so myopic in their focus and they're so afraid of what's implied and having to defend the decision to teach 'Maus' as part of the curriculum that it lead to this kind of daffily myopic response."
But even though one board member, according to meeting minutes originally reported by TN Holler, was quick to assert he wasn't "against teaching the Holocaust," they apparently couldn't allow it to be taught in a way that included profanity and nudity -- in other words, in a way that conveys its dehumanizing reality. The same board member said, "[Maus] shows people hanging, it shows them killing kids, why does the educational system promote this kind of stuff, it is not wise or healthy."
But this betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of what education is. To ban "Maus" for being an uncomfortable read is, in fact, to be against teaching the Holocaust, regardless of the school board member's protests to the contrary. To actually engage with the horror of the Holocaust, one has to be horrified, thrown from one's comfortable position, engaging with the terrible, messy reality.
But I think back to my encounter with the book on my couch, and I think that's the kind of moment that kids actually do need. We need to be unsettled by history, especially if presented by a well-trained teacher with a thoughtful supporting curriculum. Because the Holocaust is not just a collection of unthinkable numbers -- six million Jews, hundreds of thousands of Roma and tens of thousands more of political rivals, disabled people, LGBTQ people and others. It's millions of stories of individual lives lived in full complexity, and to understand what happened, the whys and hows, the generational traumas that live with us today, we may need to be unsettled in our encounter with this grim past.
And of course that's true if we want to understand other grim moments in history as well. And while the timing of canceling "Maus" a few days before International Holocaust Remembrance Day is telling, it's also happening in the midst of a growing number of right-wing attacks on teaching history. Before this latest incident, for example, a White Tennessee mom tried to take advantage of a new law against "critical race theory," which is being used as a catchall phrase for any history that tells accurate stories of racial oppression, to try to get an autobiography of Ruby Bridges banned as "divisive." And then, earlier in January, Florida Republicans advanced a bill designed to shield students from feeling "discomfort" over race, sex and gender when learning about history (of racism, sexism and gender discrimination). The effect will be, as likely intended, to make it impossible to teach history effectively.
And that's likely the point. When we are unsettled by history, when our perceptions start to shift, that's when we're ready to learn. To outlaw discomfort in the classroom is to outlaw good teaching.
He discovered the book at 17. Where does he say he wouldn't have been impacted by it at a younger age?So, a 17 year old gets it and learns from it. Maybe it should be junior or senior class material. This vote is for eighth graders.
He doesn't say that. Where do I say I feel the book is inappropriate for an 8th grader?He discovered the book at 17. Where does he say he wouldn't have been impacted by it at a younger age?
Why do you feel this book is inappropriate for a 14/15 year old eighth grader, but okay for a 17 year old?
Then we agree, those parents are morons. A common theme amongst the trump cult.Get over yourself and the personal attacks. Postulate my ass. If my kids were in 8th grade and this was part of their curriculum, I wouldn't get my panties in a wad. My subsequent posts indicated I was not defending the decision, but that I suspected the board was responding to the wishes of parents and community.
If you can't understand that then there's a s..t ton more you could have learned.
I've never read it. I do not have an opinion. I was pointing out that a 17 year old reading it is not proof that it's appropriate for all 14 year olds.I assumed that by supporting the board's vote you agree it's inappropriate for 8th graders, is that not the case?
Can I see I link to this? I managed a program that had home-schooled, private and public students. The home-schooled were a little slower.I imagine you know home-schooled kids outperform public-schooled kids. Sounds like those parents are making some pretty good choices
In 2020, the first-ever 50-state survey on Holocaust knowledge among millennial and Gen Z Americans found that 63% of participants didn't know that 6 million Jews were murdered during the Holocaust, and 48% couldn't name a single one of the more than 40,000 concentration camps or ghettos established during World War II.
Pig farmers are Republicans mom....why do you think Ioway votes red? And the "pig farmer" is being rapidly replaced by the "company owned pig farmer"......corporatism has no bounds here in Pig-Shit Ioway.And Bergen-Belsen. I’ll think of others...but I’m a stupid Republican so apparently I’m pushing the top end of my literacy...
By the way, my father went into one of the camps. After having narrowly escaped death a couple of months earlier in the Battle of the Bulge he always said it was the most horrid thing he saw the entire time he was overseas.
But you know, we Republicans are just stupid and know nothing.
You pig farming ignoramuses love to jump the gun and assume a set of facts not yet presented. See how I returned the favor just now by assuming all of you are pig farmers? 🤬
Some days you’re more of a dummy than others, Joel.Pig farmers are Republicans mom....why do you think Ioway votes red? And the "pig farmer" is being rapidly replaced by the "company owned pig farmer"......corporatism has no bounds here in Pig-Shit Ioway.
Again......Tennesseeans are not known for their scholars and deep thinkers as they afe by their provincialism and shallow-mindedness......think "Beverly Hillbillies"......think "Scopes Monkey trial"......think federal liquor stamps.
I can tell you the home school kids that I have seen do well aren't the ones that have parents that were preventing exposure to things that might make them feel uncomfortable or avoiding the realities of some of the terrible things humans have done to each other.I imagine you know home-schooled kids outperform public-schooled kids. Sounds like those parents are making some pretty good choices
The best thing Tennessee ever had was Peyton Manning,.,..and they only rented him. Phuquin' Tennessee......,are you kidding me?Some days you’re more of a dummy than others, Joel.
FYI the Beverly Hillbillies were not from Tennessee. The Scopes trial was roughly 100 years ago, when many rural Americans shared a similar idea rejecting evolution.
If you believe Tennessee is caught in some isolated time-freeze warp and things have not changed, you’re at a place in your own life that you must be happy with. Speaking of provincial shallowness...
You don’t have to spend any energy pondering that, so I suppose that’s good for an old fart like you.
Will someone take this fool's shovel away, please?The best thing Tennessee ever had was Peyton Manning,.,..and they only rented him. Phuquin' Tennessee......,are you kidding me?
Where were the Beverly Hillbillies from? Maybe the Mizzery Ozarks?
Tennessee is in a time warp.......and Ioway wants to get there ASAP! Altho Tennessee does make good whiskey....the kind they even put federal labels on!