Tough guy Terao........tee hee.........
http://www.flowrestling.org/video/1...ss-face-from-terao-leads-to-late-match-antics
http://www.flowrestling.org/video/1...ss-face-from-terao-leads-to-late-match-antics
Terao Crossface video from Flo
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That's more demonstrative (Big Red type word for ya 23) than I recalled, and worse than the unsportsmanlike penalty that cost a match earlier in the tourney. I know that Gilman has a reputation with many, but he deserved to be upset about the way that match ended. Also recall how Berger finished a TD well after the whistle against Kemerer (and arguably later than the infamous Metcalf shove). There needs to be some face mushing to make sure Iowa doesn't lose their reputation as undisciplined hot heads.
Flo interview with Brands where he discusses the Terao match, the crossface from right fiield and why Brands went out on the mat among other things.
http://www.flowrestling.org/video/1035476-tom-brands-analyzes-hawkeye-semis-at-midlands
http://www.flowrestling.org/video/1035476-tom-brands-analyzes-hawkeye-semis-at-midlands
The original cut of the ending did not have the cross faces in there. Everybody jumped on the bash Gilman bandwagon. Gilman calls Flo out and lo and behold they show up and most folks were like "Ahhh...so that's why..." Except those that are going to hate Gilman no matter what.
2 good right crosses and he still got up. Terao is a punk and a pussy.
Not one but two cheap shots. Second was a straight up forearm shiver. Hope they meet again.
Good for Gillman for calling Flo out! I watched the original clip where they cut parts of the match out and made it seem like Gillman was just being a punk at the end of the match because it was a close match and Gillman gets lit up on their message boards because of it.
I know there's a lot of Flo-loving gomers out there but I personally cannot stand their coverage. "Terry" was good, and thanks for that, but their bias against Iowa overwhelms any fuzzy feelings that I have about "Terry". That's my 2-cents on Flo. I'm sure the gomers will jump in and tell me how wrong I am, and that's fine. My thoughts aren't changing.
I know there's a lot of Flo-loving gomers out there but I personally cannot stand their coverage. "Terry" was good, and thanks for that, but their bias against Iowa overwhelms any fuzzy feelings that I have about "Terry". That's my 2-cents on Flo. I'm sure the gomers will jump in and tell me how wrong I am, and that's fine. My thoughts aren't changing.
Not only was Flo dishonest in the way they omitted the two punches to the face, but they then use a title that implies that Gilman responded to the cheap shots with "antics", which gives the impression that Gilman's objection to the punches to the face was out of line.
BAU for that merry brand of idiots. How is it possible doing this time and time again doesn't embarrass them?
Tough guy Terao........tee hee.........
http://www.flowrestling.org/video/1...ss-face-from-terao-leads-to-late-match-antics
Was Flo using Peter Dinklage as their cameraman for the Gilman interview?
If they meet again on the mat, I hope Gilman chooses neutral and wears Terao out. Given enough time, Gilman can embarrass just about anybody from his feet. Choosing down will give Terao too much of a chance to get a funky turn or more cheap shot stuff like we just saw.
Thinking about this a bit more.............
and I was always of the opinion that when you put a crossface on that you grabbed your opponent's opposite arm or shoulder and tried to crank them over for back points.
It appears that was not Terao's intent.
When you take not one, but two swings from behind your opponent where he can't even see what's coming is kind of gutless. Usually you face another guy face to face if you are gonna take a swing at him.
I was really suprised the Ref did not intervene and do something point wise to penalize Terao and his team. The ref was directly in front of them and saw the whole thing real clear.
Perhaps my bias is making more of this than should be. Whatever!
and I was always of the opinion that when you put a crossface on that you grabbed your opponent's opposite arm or shoulder and tried to crank them over for back points.
It appears that was not Terao's intent.
When you take not one, but two swings from behind your opponent where he can't even see what's coming is kind of gutless. Usually you face another guy face to face if you are gonna take a swing at him.
I was really suprised the Ref did not intervene and do something point wise to penalize Terao and his team. The ref was directly in front of them and saw the whole thing real clear.
Perhaps my bias is making more of this than should be. Whatever!
Well, one thing is for sure. We have two extremely highly anticipated re-matches coming up:
1. Gilman-Terau (hopefully at Nationals, but not guaranteed)
2. Kemerer-Berger (in the dual meet, possibly at Big Tens, and possibly again at Nationals)
Speaking of anticipated match-ups, that NE meet should be a lot of fun to watch, even though PSU and tOSU are better opponents. Gilman-Lambert is always fun to watch, although I suspect Thomas majors him again or worse. Clark-Montoya would be lots of fun with Cory at 100%; hoping Cory can go and gut out a win there. Kemerer-Berger needs no introduction. Brooks-Dudley is always fun. Stoll-Jensen is also a good match-up, mainly because every time they meet is a chance for Sam to take another pound of flesh to make up for Jensen putting a pretty brutal ride on him last season when he was wrestling on one leg. Throw in the coaches' animated relationship and put it in Carver, and you have one entertaining dual meet.
1. Gilman-Terau (hopefully at Nationals, but not guaranteed)
2. Kemerer-Berger (in the dual meet, possibly at Big Tens, and possibly again at Nationals)
Speaking of anticipated match-ups, that NE meet should be a lot of fun to watch, even though PSU and tOSU are better opponents. Gilman-Lambert is always fun to watch, although I suspect Thomas majors him again or worse. Clark-Montoya would be lots of fun with Cory at 100%; hoping Cory can go and gut out a win there. Kemerer-Berger needs no introduction. Brooks-Dudley is always fun. Stoll-Jensen is also a good match-up, mainly because every time they meet is a chance for Sam to take another pound of flesh to make up for Jensen putting a pretty brutal ride on him last season when he was wrestling on one leg. Throw in the coaches' animated relationship and put it in Carver, and you have one entertaining dual meet.
I was watching Beets Dotson going for I think an undefeated career at ISTC,SCI,UNI in '63 when he cross-faced a kid from maybe Luther that I thinked knocked him out, Beets covered for the pin before the kid shook it off. That was one of Beets' favorite moves, which I think they banned soon after. But that's not the last time he used it.Tough guy Terao........tee hee.........
http://www.flowrestling.org/video/1...ss-face-from-terao-leads-to-late-match-antics
Berger/Kem could wrestle a lot of times for years.
Dual
Bigs 2/3 seed
Nationals-possible 4-5 seed quarters
Dual
Bigs 2/3 seed
Nationals-possible 4-5 seed quarters
We all know CP and Willie will read this. Let's hope they don't go all T.R. Foley and put their head in the sand and act like it didn't happen.
I didn't see the original Flo post of the highlights or "antics" headline. I'm sure they "mislead" just to get the biggest fan base up in arms and get some pub. There's no such thing as bad press?
They sure aren't helping their "reputations" for being anti-Iowa though.
I've always been a fan and have been a paying member from as long as they've had it but if they did "mislead" that pisses me off quite a bit.
Willie, CP....why would you mislead? Are you guys just going to go "shock" value even at the price of not giving the facts? I just don't see your angle on this one. I've always been one to defend you guys but this one is tough if it's true.
They sure aren't helping their "reputations" for being anti-Iowa though.
I've always been a fan and have been a paying member from as long as they've had it but if they did "mislead" that pisses me off quite a bit.
Willie, CP....why would you mislead? Are you guys just going to go "shock" value even at the price of not giving the facts? I just don't see your angle on this one. I've always been one to defend you guys but this one is tough if it's true.
Last time I checked, the headline including "antics" was still up. . . unless they backtracked even on that after recognizing -- possibly on this board or on social media -- that this was also deceptive and revealing of their anti-Iowa bias. Which would also reflect poorly on what appears to be a substantial and consistent lack of journalistic integrity.
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I would only say this in Flo's defense. Much of the time, they are loading these videos as quick as they can. Plus, they responded to Gilman pretty quickly. Still, if you are going to use Gilman as clickbait, best have the whole story. It was a great, tactical match by Terao...those are the dudes that give Gilman fits. I really thought he was going to get cradled again ala 2015 when he had a whizzard in with his head down.
Chief, I could see the "loading the vids" argument being plausible but are you telling me they left the two "crossfaces" out when they loaded it the first time? So then Gman calls them out and they load the "full" clip? Seems pretty sneaky to me? I should probably just shut up b/c I didn't see any of it until this thread today as I was out of town.
It's just hard from me to believe they "left" out the "crossfaces" on accident the first time.
It's just hard from me to believe they "left" out the "crossfaces" on accident the first time.
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^ This exactly. Before, I always gave Flo the benefit of the doubt and always thought people were reaching a bit with the anti-Iowa bias. This circumstance makes it pretty clear that someone at Flo definitely has a real anti-Iowa bias or at least an anti-Gilman bias. They dishonestly portrayed in the original video that Gilman was the instigator of the antics. It's incredibly clear upon seeing the full video, that Terao was the one out of line here. I don't know who at Flo decided to edit the original video this way, but that is terrible journalism. They have no business working in the journalism industry if that's how they're going to report.
Good on Gilman for calling them out. I appreciate the fact that Flo did post the interview with Gilman and the video of the cross-face, but they essentially had no choice but to do that after getting called out by Gilman.
Also, I no longer see the original video that was posted on Flo that portrayed Gilman as the perpetrator and had a click bait title which implied Gilman was living up to his stereotype of being a hot head. I could be wrong, but it seems they've removed the original video. Again, I don't know who at Flo was responsible for the original video and headline, but they should not be working in the journalism industry. For the record, I don't think everyone at Flo has a bias, but after this occasion, it is very clear that someone working there has an anti-Iowa/anti-Gilman agenda. I'd love to hear a response by someone at Flo for the reasoning of the original video editing that excluded the cross face by Terao.
There's about 6-8 main guys at flo that get FaceTime. None with Iowa ties
There is no logical reason to edit out the cheap shots by Terao and then only show Gilman getting pissed about them, other than somebody trying to make Gilman/Iowa look worse. They wouldn't have changed a thing and left it as is, until Gilman called them out (that was a hell of an interview btw, I love Gilmans mentality, he's not a BSer he speaks his mind and calls it exactly like he sees it). I love CP and Willie and I truly believe neither have an anti iowa bias, although they have gone out of their way to diminish HR and Iowa fans at times, they are good guys who just love wrestling like the rest of us, and used to post on the boards a lot from what I have read before FLO really picked up big time. So I don't think they had anything to do with it, but somebody clearly had a plan when making that first initial little clip and headline.
I remember when I was a kid. My dad had a Iowa wrestling poster and it was Gable with his feet up on a desk with his guys behind him. The title was everybody loves to hate the Iowa Hawkeyes. Anyone remember what year tht was?
This type of stuff on Flo will never go away. Might as well just let it be. I do agree that this seems like unethical journalism.
This type of stuff on Flo will never go away. Might as well just let it be. I do agree that this seems like unethical journalism.
Agree 100% good post...
In reality what can the consumer expect from news media today 99.9% is false or fake. Proud of you Mr. Gilman for calling them out and making them eat some crow. So if you happen to meet Terao again take it to him the "Iowa way" you can and I know you will.
Everyone once in a while, you guys put your tin foil hats on and bang the 'flo hates iowa drum'.
this is one of those times.
gimme a break with the whole anti-iowa bias.
no, we're not perfect. sometimes there is sloppy editing (in print or in video). we move fast and put up more content in a day then most in a month. yeah - sometimes we make mistakes.
in this particular instance, no one from flo was at the midlands. most of our staff had to be dedicated to powerade and scuffle. we knew of someone going and asked him to shoot and chop clips (can't post full matches) for us.
i don't know what the angle of the BTN stream was; i missed that part of the match. Not sure what CP saw.
so anyway - our contributor chopped and uploaded the match - (mind you, we don't have any idea what footage was captured (what was left in or out. hell, we didn't even really know what happened.))
so when we asked him if he did have an angle of what Terao did, we told him to upload it.
moral of the story is you're reading too much into it. and no one seems to remember the fact that i've stated a gazillion times that Gilman is one of my favorite wrestlers. i guess that just doesn't fit your narrative.
i'm sure the above won't satisfy the HR conspiracy theorists, so...carry on.
I thought we were past this crap.
this is one of those times.
gimme a break with the whole anti-iowa bias.
no, we're not perfect. sometimes there is sloppy editing (in print or in video). we move fast and put up more content in a day then most in a month. yeah - sometimes we make mistakes.
in this particular instance, no one from flo was at the midlands. most of our staff had to be dedicated to powerade and scuffle. we knew of someone going and asked him to shoot and chop clips (can't post full matches) for us.
i don't know what the angle of the BTN stream was; i missed that part of the match. Not sure what CP saw.
so anyway - our contributor chopped and uploaded the match - (mind you, we don't have any idea what footage was captured (what was left in or out. hell, we didn't even really know what happened.))
so when we asked him if he did have an angle of what Terao did, we told him to upload it.
moral of the story is you're reading too much into it. and no one seems to remember the fact that i've stated a gazillion times that Gilman is one of my favorite wrestlers. i guess that just doesn't fit your narrative.
i'm sure the above won't satisfy the HR conspiracy theorists, so...carry on.
I thought we were past this crap.
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Nobody is doubting the amount of content that FLO puts out, you are second to none in that respect.
Willie, I don't think people really mean to blame you or CP. It's just you are the most visible members of FLO to the wrestling board community, with podcasts, etc.. So you are the association with FLO that some people have, so when there is a complaint or what have you, then it automatically gets directed towards you guys a lot of the time.
That explanation makes a lot more sense from FLOs perspective, but can't you understand how it might look when one video is presented, clearly missing something, with a suggestive headline that indicates Thomas Gilman 'may be up to his old nonsense again' type of deal, then another video uploaded later with the complete footage, after Thomas Gilman called y'all out. I think simply adding that extra bit of explanation to the revised article would have helped a lot. Not that everybody even takes the time to read all of FLOs articles before criticizing
, but hopefully you can see my point. Love what you and CP do for the community, and FLO in general, just as an FYI.
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Appreciate the response and explanation. I'm curious though, can you confirm, was the original video removed with the headline including "controversy or antics" or something along those lines? So what you're basically say is that whoever this third party contractor is, is dishonest and misleading? I would recommend against using this person again as a contributor as they have seemingly chosen to originally only give Flo the part of the video that made Gilman look like the instigator.
And to call us conspiracy theorists is a bit disingenuous as well. It is very reasonable for a person with even a completely objective viewpoint to have the concerns that were brought up in this thread regarding this incident. At the end of the day, as a company, Flo is responsible for what content it puts out. I don't think "using a 3rd party contributor" absolves Flo of the responsibility of reporting honestly.
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Also, if no one from Flo was at the Midlands then who was interviewing Gilman in the video where Gilman says the full video needs to be put up that shows the crossface?
Thisthisthisthisthisthisthis +1,000,000
thanks for the responses as well.
if you're asking the latitude to 'see how this appeared' i'm asking the latitude to not immediately jump to a conclusion that 'flo is biased'.
yes, i can see how that would appear. the problem lies in what we saw and when we saw it.
initially, we thought Gilman was just getting chippy....once again. You have to admit that Gilman is tough and brash, and heated and animated. he does it all the time, and (if you pay attention) I defend him all the time.
'antics' have a bad connotation. but i'm not sure why. i love what Gilman does and i wish more people did it. what's it hurt? i said the same thing after Minny dual, after flapgate, etc.
so if we ran a headline eluding to 'Gilman's Antics' (i honestly don't know what the headline was, CP obviously changed it and he's been asleep since Golden Girls ended) - so what?
(original vid is here under title "Terao Gets Gilman's Blood Boiling"
http://www.flowrestling.org/video/1...nal-thomas-gilman-iowa-vs-josh-terao-american
so here's the timeline:
Gilman-Terao match gets chopped and uploaded
We run a title (based off what we saw)
We realize there was more to the story
We run the additional footage
We change the original headline
as for our contributor - kid is a stud. he made the poor judgement of not using the crossfaces - idk why - but there's no way he did that to paint Gilman in a bad light.
as to having a contributor there 'absolving us' i didn't say that at all. i said it was a mistake. the point is, it wasn't a premeditated angle to smear iowa. i mean, get real.
if you're asking the latitude to 'see how this appeared' i'm asking the latitude to not immediately jump to a conclusion that 'flo is biased'.
yes, i can see how that would appear. the problem lies in what we saw and when we saw it.
initially, we thought Gilman was just getting chippy....once again. You have to admit that Gilman is tough and brash, and heated and animated. he does it all the time, and (if you pay attention) I defend him all the time.
'antics' have a bad connotation. but i'm not sure why. i love what Gilman does and i wish more people did it. what's it hurt? i said the same thing after Minny dual, after flapgate, etc.
so if we ran a headline eluding to 'Gilman's Antics' (i honestly don't know what the headline was, CP obviously changed it and he's been asleep since Golden Girls ended) - so what?
(original vid is here under title "Terao Gets Gilman's Blood Boiling"
http://www.flowrestling.org/video/1...nal-thomas-gilman-iowa-vs-josh-terao-american
so here's the timeline:
Gilman-Terao match gets chopped and uploaded
We run a title (based off what we saw)
We realize there was more to the story
We run the additional footage
We change the original headline
as for our contributor - kid is a stud. he made the poor judgement of not using the crossfaces - idk why - but there's no way he did that to paint Gilman in a bad light.
as to having a contributor there 'absolving us' i didn't say that at all. i said it was a mistake. the point is, it wasn't a premeditated angle to smear iowa. i mean, get real.
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Thanks for the thorough explanation and reasoning...makes sense. Appreciate the transparency.
Also, thanks for the laugh out loud with this line. =)
