Terao Crossface video from Flo

[Brandsfan]

The supposed main media source for wrestling, comes out and says "
(mind you, we don't have any idea what footage was captured (what was left in or out. hell, we didn't even really know what happened.)
If that's true, than why would they sensationally caption the original video the way that some of the posters said??
Easy solution, quit supporting them ... $$$.

 

[smalls103]

Hey Willie, what do you think about the Downey thread?

which?

 

[smalls103]

The supposed main media source for wrestling, comes out and says "
(mind you, we don't have any idea what footage was captured (what was left in or out. hell, we didn't even really know what happened.)
If that's true, than why would they sensationally caption the original video the way that some of the posters said??
Easy solution, quit supporting them ... $$$.

if someone in chicago filmed a wrestling match and made it into highlights and sent it to us, how the hell would we know what else was left out.

 

[Brandsfan]

if someone in chicago filmed a wrestling match and made it into highlights and sent it to us, how the hell would we know what else was left out.

Aren't you a "media" source? And supposed to be responsible for your content?

 

[smalls103]

who's saying i wasn't responsible for the content?

i mean, that's exactly why i'm spending the time to explain.

 

[ih8iast8]

I really don't care what other people think of our wrestlers & our wrestling team. No amount of effort will ever change their perception of our athletes. That's why I rarely visit other wrestling forums, for fear of having an aneurysm.

On a different note, if the 2016 presidential election taught us anything, there is no standard of unbiased & ethical journalism anymore. We live in a day of clickbait journalism, where even an honest mistake increases site traffic & is considered acceptable.

 

[Omahahawk86]

who's saying i wasn't responsible for the content?

i mean, that's exactly why i'm spending the time to explain.

Just say you love Iowa and this all goes away.

 

[whejoe]

Just say you love Iowa and this all goes away.

Willie made a few shirts last season that said, "Thomas Gilman face mush fan club". I believe that Willie is one of Gilman's biggest fans.

 

[smalls103]

and gave one to M*

 

[rossel 33]

Just say you love Iowa and this all goes away.

Maybe expand that to "I love the HR forum." That will really do it!

 

[Omahahawk86]

Just say it Willie

 

[grappler6]

Having seen the Gilman and Brands interviews first, I expected something way worse. Terao was out of line but just wasn't as bad as their responses made me assume.

 

[MSU158]

I have to admit that Willie has gone out of his way to be very cordial to this board since the "HR is a dumpster fire" controversy not so long ago. The fact that he even came on here to explain, says a ton about his character and his overall appreciation of the fans that use this board.

 

[Azchief32]

Having seen the Gilman and Brands interviews first, I expected something way worse. Terao was out of line but just wasn't as bad as their responses made me assume.

Hard cross faces are part of wrestling but taking two windups as time runs out is too much to ask for anybody much less Gilman. But that wasn't the whole point...The original post made it seem like Gilman was throwing a tantrum just because a guy wrestled him tough. These guys have phones, they know what's up on Flo and I think that's what pissed Gilman off. Also the fact that Terao wouldn't tie up with him and wrestled a counter match the whole time (great strategy) but turned into a tough guy at the end with the cross faces.

 

[grappler6]

Hard cross faces are part of wrestling but taking two windups as time runs out is too much to ask for anybody much less Gilman. But that wasn't the whole point...The original post made it seem like Gilman was throwing a tantrum just because a guy wrestled him tough. These guys have phones, they know what's up on Flo and I think that's what pissed Gilman off. Also the fact that Terao wouldn't tie up with him and wrestled a counter match the whole time (great strategy) but turned into a tough guy at the end with the cross faces.

Just speaking in terms of the crossfaces. Didn't have a problem with Gilmans or Brands interview. I was aware of the crossfaces prior to the interviews so I knew the back story.

I don't mind Gilman, as long as he stays out of the opposing team's huddle.

 

[JohnBasedow]

and gave one to M*

Thanks for all the responses. They are all fair and it makes perfect sense as to what happened.

 

[slushhead]

Outside of PSU talk, I try to stay out of HR's space, but as a general wrestling fan, some of the subjects of this thread kind of rile me up.

(1) Flo is a for-profit business. Senationalism sells. Iowa has the biggest and most fiercely loyal fan base. You guys know you're the NY Yankees of wrestling (for now ). Flo probably isn't actually anti-Iowa, but they know damn well that anti-Iowa bits trigger the most clicks. Yet they still need Iowa fans to keep clicking as much as the anti-Iowa fans (you trigger as much taffic). So you'll receive just enough respect (and personal attention) as necessary to keep you watching (and clicking).

(2) Third-party contributions not thoroughly vetted? See #1 above and you'll understand why it happens so easily. Smalls explained the reason, but it doesn't make it excusable or acceptable. Something obviously trumped the alleged Gilman fandom when the video was posted. The second version of the video should have included a caption explaining the circumstances regarding the first version (3rd-party rush job) and an apology for any perceived misrepresentation. That's just the professional thing to do. You'll get so-called apologies or explanations on this forum -- but will you see any accountability on their website? How many more times will this happen again? Depends on click trends.

Don't get played. Personally, I don't give Flo my business (or my clicks) because they can't deliver on their promises to provide live coverage of big events. And then I see all the fallout from sensationlist "journalism", and I'm glad I've stayed away.

FWIW, I haven't seen the Gilman-Terao video (because it's on Flo), but I do wonder about an alternative POV -- assertive sophomore trying to stand his ground, send a message that he isn't going to lie down for a stud senior. Maybe inspired by his older brother's near David-vs-Goliath performance (and standing-O) at last year's Nationals. Wants to plant a seed, start some psychological warfare in case there is a rematch in March. With some objectivity, I imagine you guys could appreciate such a strategy.

 

[Kwoodhawk]

thanks for the responses as well.

if you're asking the latitude to 'see how this appeared' i'm asking the latitude to not immediately jump to a conclusion that 'flo is biased'.

yes, i can see how that would appear. the problem lies in what we saw and when we saw it.

initially, we thought Gilman was just getting chippy....once again. You have to admit that Gilman is tough and brash, and heated and animated. he does it all the time, and (if you pay attention) I defend him all the time.

'antics' have a bad connotation. but i'm not sure why. i love what Gilman does and i wish more people did it. what's it hurt? i said the same thing after Minny dual, after flapgate, etc.

so if we ran a headline eluding to 'Gilman's Antics' (i honestly don't know what the headline was, CP obviously changed it and he's been asleep since Golden Girls ended) - so what?

(original vid is here under title "Terao Gets Gilman's Blood Boiling"

http://www.flowrestling.org/video/1...nal-thomas-gilman-iowa-vs-josh-terao-american

so here's the timeline:
Gilman-Terao match gets chopped and uploaded
We run a title (based off what we saw)
We realize there was more to the story
We run the additional footage
We change the original headline

as for our contributor - kid is a stud. he made the poor judgement of not using the crossfaces - idk why - but there's no way he did that to paint Gilman in a bad light.

as to having a contributor there 'absolving us' i didn't say that at all. i said it was a mistake. the point is, it wasn't a premeditated angle to smear iowa. i mean, get real.

Really appreciate your explanation ..........

Makes perfect sense and should satisfy everyone except the Flo Haters..........

Now............can you confirm or deny that it was actually you guys at Flo that hacked the Democratic National Commitee and Hilary's emals and not the Russians...........

 

[IrishinGA]

Everyone once in a while, you guys put your tin foil hats on and bang the 'flo hates iowa drum'.

this is one of those times.

gimme a break with the whole anti-iowa bias.

no, we're not perfect. sometimes there is sloppy editing (in print or in video). we move fast and put up more content in a day then most in a month. yeah - sometimes we make mistakes.

in this particular instance, no one from flo was at the midlands. most of our staff had to be dedicated to powerade and scuffle. we knew of someone going and asked him to shoot and chop clips (can't post full matches) for us.

i don't know what the angle of the BTN stream was; i missed that part of the match. Not sure what CP saw.

so anyway - our contributor chopped and uploaded the match - (mind you, we don't have any idea what footage was captured (what was left in or out. hell, we didn't even really know what happened.))

so when we asked him if he did have an angle of what Terao did, we told him to upload it.

moral of the story is you're reading too much into it. and no one seems to remember the fact that i've stated a gazillion times that Gilman is one of my favorite wrestlers. i guess that just doesn't fit your narrative.

i'm sure the above won't satisfy the HR conspiracy theorists, so...carry on.

I thought we were past this crap.

Maybe the headlines should have been: AU coach Moore gets bench warning after his antics following Terao/Gilman match

He was the only one the officials singled out after the match.

 

[AFHawk86]

and gave one to M*

This thread has a Seinfeld feel to it.

 

[smalls103]

Outside of PSU talk, I try to stay out of HR's space, but as a general wrestling fan, some of the subjects of this thread kind of rile me up.

(1) Flo is a for-profit business. Senationalism sells. Iowa has the biggest and most fiercely loyal fan base. You guys know you're the NY Yankees of wrestling (for now ). Flo probably isn't actually anti-Iowa, but they know damn well that anti-Iowa bits trigger the most clicks. Yet they still need Iowa fans to keep clicking as much as the anti-Iowa fans (you trigger as much taffic). So you'll receive just enough respect (and personal attention) as necessary to keep you watching (and clicking).

(2) Third-party contributions not thoroughly vetted? See #1 above and you'll understand why it happens so easily. How many more times will this happen again? Depends on click trends.

Don't get played. Personally, I don't give Flo my business (or my clicks) because they can't deliver on their promises to provide live coverage of big events. And then I see all the fallout from sensationlist "journalism", and I'm glad I've stayed away.

this is almost nonsensical.

this is what i mean by 'tin hats'.

you really think we're that devious?

instead of 'someone sent them a vid and they posted it'

you subscribe to the above theory (you're not the first person to posit this) that it's a calculated plot.

these are the types of responses that i know are coming and make me reluctant to post, but for some reason, i do anyway.

mind you, the Gilman-Terao (and all midlands vids) were/was free and that despite your deep understanding of how flosports works, 'clicks' aren't our main priority.

 

[AFHawk86]

this is almost nonsensical.

this is what i mean by 'tin hats'.

you really think we're that devious?

instead of 'someone sent them a vid and they posted it'

you subscribe to the above theory (you're not the first person to posit this) that it's a calculated plot.

these are the types of responses that i know are coming and make me reluctant to post, but for some reason, i do anyway.

mind you, the Gilman-Terao (and all midlands vids) were/was free and that despite your deep understanding of how flosports works, 'clicks' aren't our main priority.

Smalls - Since you can't resist the urge to visit the cesspool of all dumpster fires, tell us what you think about Berger's tweet. We'd love to hear your take

 

[smalls103]

YES!

i think the Berger tweet is awesome. just like i think end zone celebrations should be allowed.

it's great. it's expression. it builds drama. wrestling is the ultimate pressurized, pressure-packed sport. i have no problem with wrestlers and coaches expressing themselves passionately. who is it hurting?

 

[slushhead]

this is almost nonsensical.

this is what i mean by 'tin hats'.

you really think we're that devious?

instead of 'someone sent them a vid and they posted it'

you subscribe to the above theory (you're not the first person to posit this) that it's a calculated plot.

these are the types of responses that i know are coming and make me reluctant to post, but for some reason, i do anyway.

mind you, the Gilman-Terao (and all midlands vids) were/was free and that despite your deep understanding of how flosports works, 'clicks' aren't our main priority.

Devious is your word. Flo, without question, runs with sensationalism, whether it's purposeful or not. Whether the particular video is free or not. Clicks and traffic matter.

I didn't dispute that "someone sent a vid and Flo posted it". I pointed out that Flo doing so without vetting the product and then tagging it with the "antics" title was professionally irresponsible. Coming to the message board to explain why Flo did what it did doesn't mean jack to me. Put the explanation on your website. Be accountable for the quality of the product.

 

[grappler6]

Sports needs villains. Accept Gilman as a national villain. It makes the sport better. Iowa fans used to wear this type of thing as a badge of honor it seemed. You guys aren't getting soft are you?

 

[caseyballzz]

^ This exactly. Before, I always gave Flo the benefit of the doubt and always thought people were reaching a bit with the anti-Iowa bias. This circumstance makes it pretty clear that someone at Flo definitely has a real anti-Iowa bias or at least an anti-Gilman bias. They dishonestly portrayed in the original video that Gilman was the instigator of the antics. It's incredibly clear upon seeing the full video, that Terao was the one out of line here. I don't know who at Flo decided to edit the original video this way, but that is terrible journalism. They have no business working in the journalism industry if that's how they're going to report.

Good on Gilman for calling them out. I appreciate the fact that Flo did post the interview with Gilman and the video of the cross-face, but they essentially had no choice but to do that after getting called out by Gilman.

Also, I no longer see the original video that was posted on Flo that portrayed Gilman as the perpetrator and had a click bait title which implied Gilman was living up to his stereotype of being a hot head. I could be wrong, but it seems they've removed the original video. Again, I don't know who at Flo was responsible for the original video and headline, but they should not be working in the journalism industry. For the record, I don't think everyone at Flo has a bias, but after this occasion, it is very clear that someone working there has an anti-Iowa/anti-Gilman agenda. I'd love to hear a response by someone at Flo for the reasoning of the original video editing that excluded the cross face by Terao.

I gotta be honest with you Vodka but this was not a cross-face, it was 2 punches. By the way, I am not correcting you just being funny because everyone is calling it a cross-face and it is punches.

 

[ih8iast8]

Sports needs villains. Accept Gilman as a national villain. It makes the sport better. Iowa fans used to wear this type of thing as a badge of honor it seemed. You guys aren't getting soft are you?

I wish more of our wrestlers accepted a villan persona.

 

[NittanyChris]

Terao was way out of line. No way those could be described as "cross faces". Very poor sportsmanship and he should probably be suspended.

If Gilman did the same thing I'd be crucifying him, so I have to be fair.

 

[24 so far]

Sports needs villains. Accept Gilman as a national villain. It makes the sport better. Iowa fans used to wear this type of thing as a badge of honor it seemed. You guys aren't getting soft are you?

I won't speak for everybody, but personally if you want to present someone in that light, do so based on the actual event and let the reader/viewer decide. When you present 1/2 the evidence and present it as fact whether it's local, regional or national, that line has been crossed, and that is bullshit regardless of who it happens to.

In 2016, you have the technology to spin "your" story anyway you want to, up to and including doctoring videos and photos to fit your narrative, but you better be prepared for the backlash if you're attempting to be or calling yourself a legitimate journalistic source for whatever type of event or person you're covering.

There have always been errors in reporting, just like every other entity in life. People make mistakes (and sadly some do so on purpose..............). I know if may be hard for some of you "youngsters" to believe, but there was actually a time in this country when you could read a headline/article or view a story on TV and you had a very good inclination that it was real and presented factual evidence before it hit the news in any form. That ship has clearly sailed, and it's a damn shame as far as I'm concerned. And that has nothing to do with Flo.

 

[smalls103]

Agreed 23.

to be clear - i'm not letting us off the hook, and i will have a discussion with the flo team.

i'm just saying that there were circumstances, and that it wasn't intentional.

 

[wasdt21]

gman has worked to hard to get where he is , he deserves an apology .

 

[pinters]

True but than again Flo could always use another video like Club of the week. Since that's the new Hawt thing. Imo JMO seems we see that every match now
Peace

 

[lookleft goright]

Yes that was crappy for Terao to do. He should have been happy with a good match and gotten ready for next time. Now Gilman has him in his cross hairs and it will probably be ugly the next time they wrestle for Terao.
As far as flow is concerned, the footage is what they do in many matches. They only show the points that are scored. I do not know anything about the headline, but as a fan, it sure seems like they love PSU compared to you guys, but they don't seem to HATE Iowa.

 

[EWCEWC60]

Not to pull any punches but I have always enjoyed the Villanous Hawkeye Wrestling. The Yankees or Evil Empire references. I was at the NCAA finals the year Metcalf lost to that guy from SC. At the start of the Finals they pump in AC/DC Back in Black in full volume and the Jumbotron shows a 9 or 10 year old kid in iowa gear holding up a sign. There was a thundering sound of boos from about 20,000 people in the Savvis Center. It still sends chills through my spine thinking about how we were the villans that night! Hawkeye pride and it is good to be hated....

 

[GableEdge]

Gilman is a bada*** mother******. And he doesn't care just embraces that image. He's our Vador and I love him for it. Kudos to Annakin for calling out Flo - spot on by him.

 

[whejoe]

This whole fiasco would make a good 30 for 30.

 

[EWCEWC60]

On another note I do pay for Flo and think they have a good product. I pay for it because I am a wrestling fan and like to be entertained. Just like this board is for data but mostly entertainment. I know that I immediately clicked on the Gillman link and was looking for some good ole Iowa bad a$$ antics. I have to say I was a little disappointed....

 

[rossel 33]

Sports needs villains. Accept Gilman as a national villain. It makes the sport better. Iowa fans used to wear this type of thing as a badge of honor it seemed. You guys aren't getting soft are you?

Being portrayed unfairly is more the issue here.

Gilman doesn't mind being seen as a no nonsense tough kid, but no one likes to be falsely accused. Gilman was essentially falsely accused (by omitted video with misleading headline) and you can see he was upset by it.

 

[Gobblin]

Gilmans and his family's axe grinding with Flo probably goes all the way back to a certain member of Flo texting him during his recruitment process to steer him away from Iowa and towards Nebraska because Brands would always favor Clark over him.

 

[smalls103]

lol gobblin. this rumor, like all good rumors, continues to add details.