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Texas school had a shooting plan, armed officers and practice.

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SANTA FE, TEX. — They, like so many others, thought they had taken the steps to avoid this.

The school district had an active-shooter plan, and two armed police officers walked the halls of the high school. School district leaders had even agreed last fall to eventually arm teachers and staff under the state’s school marshal program, one of the country’s most aggressive and controversial policies intended to get more guns into classrooms.

They thought they were a hardened target, part of what’s expected today of the American public high school in an age when school shootings occur with alarming frequency. And so a death toll of 10 was a tragic sign of failure and needing to do more, but also a sign, to some, that it could have been much worse.

“My first indication is that our policies and procedures worked,” J.R. “Rusty” Norman, president of the school district’s board of trustees, said Saturday, standing exhausted at his front door. “Having said that, the way things are, if someone wants to get into a school to create havoc, they can do it.”
The mass shooting — which killed 10 people and wounded 10 others in this rural community outside Houston — again highlighted the despairing challenge at the center of the ongoing debate over how to make the nation’s schools safer. It also hints at a growing feeling of inevitability, a normalization of what should be impossible tragedies.

[‘‘I was not one bit surprised that it happened.’ Shock over school shootings has turned to numbness.]

The gunman in Santa Fe used a pistol and a shotgun, firearms common to many South Texas homes, firearms he took from this father, police said. So there were no echoes of the calls to ban assault rifles or raise the minimum age for gun purchases that came after the shooting three months ago in Parkland, Fla.

Most residents here didn’t blame any gun for the tragedy down the street. Many of them pointed to a lack of religion in schools.

“It’s not the guns. It’s the people. It’s a heart problem,” said Sarah Tassin, 61. “We need to bring God back into the schools.”

Texas politicians are pushing to focus on school security — the hardening of targets.

Gov. Greg Abbott (R) said he planned to hold roundtable discussions starting Tuesday on how to make schools even more secure. One idea he and other state officials mentioned was limiting the number of entrances to the facilities. Rep. Randy Weber (R-Tex.) said Congress eventually would consider legislation focused on “hardening targets and adding more school metal detectors and school police officers.”https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...5fdd7aaef3c_story.html?utm_term=.27518ce328ef

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SANTA FE, TEX. — They, like so many others, thought they had taken the steps to avoid this.

The school district had an active-shooter plan, and two armed police officers walked the halls of the high school. School district leaders had even agreed last fall to eventually arm teachers and staff under the state’s school marshal program, one of the country’s most aggressive and controversial policies intended to get more guns into classrooms.

They thought they were a hardened target, part of what’s expected today of the American public high school in an age when school shootings occur with alarming frequency. And so a death toll of 10 was a tragic sign of failure and needing to do more, but also a sign, to some, that it could have been much worse.

“My first indication is that our policies and procedures worked,” J.R. “Rusty” Norman, president of the school district’s board of trustees, said Saturday, standing exhausted at his front door. “Having said that, the way things are, if someone wants to get into a school to create havoc, they can do it.”
The mass shooting — which killed 10 people and wounded 10 others in this rural community outside Houston — again highlighted the despairing challenge at the center of the ongoing debate over how to make the nation’s schools safer. It also hints at a growing feeling of inevitability, a normalization of what should be impossible tragedies.

[‘‘I was not one bit surprised that it happened.’ Shock over school shootings has turned to numbness.]

The gunman in Santa Fe used a pistol and a shotgun, firearms common to many South Texas homes, firearms he took from this father, police said. So there were no echoes of the calls to ban assault rifles or raise the minimum age for gun purchases that came after the shooting three months ago in Parkland, Fla.

Most residents here didn’t blame any gun for the tragedy down the street. Many of them pointed to a lack of religion in schools.

“It’s not the guns. It’s the people. It’s a heart problem,” said Sarah Tassin, 61. “We need to bring God back into the schools.”


Texas politicians are pushing to focus on school security — the hardening of targets.

Gov. Greg Abbott (R) said he planned to hold roundtable discussions starting Tuesday on how to make schools even more secure. One idea he and other state officials mentioned was limiting the number of entrances to the facilities. Rep. Randy Weber (R-Tex.) said Congress eventually would consider legislation focused on “hardening targets and adding more school metal detectors and school police officers.”https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...5fdd7aaef3c_story.html?utm_term=.27518ce328ef

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Yes, because Godless Japan has such a problem with mass shootings. Idiot.
 
SANTA FE, TEX. — They, like so many others, thought they had taken the steps to avoid this.

The school district had an active-shooter plan, and two armed police officers walked the halls of the high school. School district leaders had even agreed last fall to eventually arm teachers and staff under the state’s school marshal program, one of the country’s most aggressive and controversial policies intended to get more guns into classrooms.

They thought they were a hardened target, part of what’s expected today of the American public high school in an age when school shootings occur with alarming frequency. And so a death toll of 10 was a tragic sign of failure and needing to do more, but also a sign, to some, that it could have been much worse.

“My first indication is that our policies and procedures worked,” J.R. “Rusty” Norman, president of the school district’s board of trustees, said Saturday, standing exhausted at his front door. “Having said that, the way things are, if someone wants to get into a school to create havoc, they can do it.”
The mass shooting — which killed 10 people and wounded 10 others in this rural community outside Houston — again highlighted the despairing challenge at the center of the ongoing debate over how to make the nation’s schools safer. It also hints at a growing feeling of inevitability, a normalization of what should be impossible tragedies.

[‘‘I was not one bit surprised that it happened.’ Shock over school shootings has turned to numbness.]

The gunman in Santa Fe used a pistol and a shotgun, firearms common to many South Texas homes, firearms he took from this father, police said. So there were no echoes of the calls to ban assault rifles or raise the minimum age for gun purchases that came after the shooting three months ago in Parkland, Fla.

Most residents here didn’t blame any gun for the tragedy down the street. Many of them pointed to a lack of religion in schools.

“It’s not the guns. It’s the people. It’s a heart problem,” said Sarah Tassin, 61. “We need to bring God back into the schools.”

Texas politicians are pushing to focus on school security — the hardening of targets.

Gov. Greg Abbott (R) said he planned to hold roundtable discussions starting Tuesday on how to make schools even more secure. One idea he and other state officials mentioned was limiting the number of entrances to the facilities. Rep. Randy Weber (R-Tex.) said Congress eventually would consider legislation focused on “hardening targets and adding more school metal detectors and school police officers.”https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...5fdd7aaef3c_story.html?utm_term=.27518ce328ef

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No assault rifle with a gazillion rounds per second, and clips with trillions of rounds. Multiple guards, a plan and still mass murder. Too many doors. Oh, that's the problem. Who would have thought. It's the guns and the idiots that love them.
 
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No assault rifle with a gazillion rounds per second, and clips with trillions of rounds. Multiple guards, a plan and still mass murder. Too many doors. Oh, that's the problem. Who would have thought. It's the guns and the idiots that love them.

You're not going to take away everyone's shotguns and revolvers. Stop being so simple-minded about this issue.
 
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A kid just walked into the school with a pump action shotgun hidden in his trench coat on an 85 degree day. You were not a hardened target. Not even close.
 
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It’s amazing that our republican friends have decided that the difference between the US and the rest of the world is not the millions of guns and the easy access to them - but instead that there is something inherently wrong with us that isn’t wrong with other nations.
 
It’s amazing that our republican friends have decided that the difference between the US and the rest of the world is not the millions of guns and the easy access to them - but instead that there is something inherently wrong with us that isn’t wrong with other nations.

Other nations have lots of guns, too. The Swiss for example.
 
And more rules.
But you also notice they have more deaths due to firearms than any nation in Europe ...funny how that works huh?

Well, yeah... if you have zero guns then you can't have any gun deaths, but at what cost? There are gun deaths that are justified. No guns, no defense against anyone bigger and stronger than you.
 
Guns have been around in this country since it was founded. School shootings are a relatively recent thing. The root cause of the problem is the moral decay of our society. We are failing our kids, bottom line. Until we address the root issue things will not change. Those hell bent on destruction will find a way, whether by rifle, shotgun, handgun, bombs, or knives. Those that want to kill will find a way to kill. We need to address the why, not the how.
 
Guns have been around in this country since it was founded. School shootings are a relatively recent thing. The root cause of the problem is the moral decay of our society. We are failing our kids, bottom line. Until we address the root issue things will not change. Those hell bent on destruction will find a way, whether by rifle, shotgun, handgun, bombs, or knives. Those that want to kill will find a way to kill. We need to address the why, not the how.

It's probably the first-person shooter video games. That's the only "new" thing that correlates.
 
Guns have been around in this country since it was founded. School shootings are a relatively recent thing. The root cause of the problem is the moral decay of our society. We are failing our kids, bottom line. Until we address the root issue things will not change. Those hell bent on destruction will find a way, whether by rifle, shotgun, handgun, bombs, or knives. Those that want to kill will find a way to kill. We need to address the why, not the how.
How about we address the why and the how? It doesn’t have to be one or the other.

The one thing I don’t understand when shootings like this happen, is people just instantly writing off talking about gun laws and gun control as if there’s no possible solution that might include gun control AND what you noted above about our society.
 
Guns have been around in this country since it was founded. School shootings are a relatively recent thing. The root cause of the problem is the moral decay of our society. We are failing our kids, bottom line. Until we address the root issue things will not change. Those hell bent on destruction will find a way, whether by rifle, shotgun, handgun, bombs, or knives. Those that want to kill will find a way to kill. We need to address the why, not the how.

What do you propose that we do?
 
It’s amazing that our republican friends have decided that the difference between the US and the rest of the world is not the millions of guns and the easy access to them - but instead that there is something inherently wrong with us that isn’t wrong with other nations.


I agree guns have this mystical power over people that when you come into contact with them they make you want to kill people. We should put our resources to study where this mystical power comes from and that should solve our problems
 
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A kid just walked into the school with a pump action shotgun hidden in his trench coat on an 85 degree day. You were not a hardened target. Not even close.

A school shouldn't have to be a hardened target unless it's in an active combat zone. The fact that we, as a country, think that way instead of making it harder to get guns is a great example of what's wrong with this country.
 
A school shouldn't have to be a hardened target unless it's in an active combat zone. The fact that we, as a country, think that way instead of making it harder to get guns is a great example of what's wrong with this country.
How would you propose we make 400 million guns harder to get. We have over 4 times as many guns in this country as dogs. The guns harder ship sailed 100 years ago.
This kid did this with a pump action shotgun and a revolver. You won't make them disappear.
 
How would you propose we make 400 million guns harder to get. We have over 4 times as many guns in this country as dogs. The guns harder ship sailed 100 years ago.
This kid did this with a pump action shotgun and a revolver. You won't make them disappear.
Yeah, it’s not like other countries managed it...
 
You're not going to take away everyone's shotguns and revolvers. Stop being so simple-minded about this issue.

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So, fathers shouldn't be able to own guns?

Not if they aren't responsible enough to keep them out of the hands of their crazy, depressed kid. This is where some serious liability laws and jail time for the dad would be useful. If gun nuts want "responsible people to be able to own guns", then lets punish the shit out of them when they are not responsible with their guns.
 
Yep the same CDC, obviously didn’t read the article, did ya....not surprised

I did. Hey, is 1.2 million "self defense" incidents, divided by the 1/6th that may have saved a life equal "millions"? And how many of the perps had guns that emboldened them to commit the crime? Let me know how that math shakes out, Einstein.
 
I did. Hey, is 1.2 million "self defense" incidents, divided by the 1/6th that may have saved a life equal "millions"? And how many of the perps had guns that emboldened them to commit the crime? Let me know how that math shakes out, Einstein.

In 2011 close to 500000 crimes were committed with a gun. 1.2 million used guns in a good way and that is not even including hunters. WINNING
 
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