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The ‘Unshakable’ Bonds of Friendship With Israel Are Shaking Israel might 'win' in Gaza, and lose America.

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By Nicholas Kristof
Opinion Columnist
If you oppose war crimes only by your enemies, it’s not clear that you actually oppose war crimes.
That’s a thought worth wrestling with as many experts suggest that both Hamas and Israel are engaging in crimes of war in the current Gaza conflict. For the same reason that we deplore Hamas’s shelling of Israel, shouldn’t we also demand that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel accept a cease-fire and stop bombings that kill far greater numbers of innocents?

The United States was the first country to recognize Israel upon its founding in 1948, and one of the few things that Democrats and Republicans have mostly agreed on over the decades is unwavering support for Israel.
“The deep bonds of friendship between the U.S. and Israel remain as strong and unshakable as ever,” President Barack Obama wrote soon after taking office.
Yet today, especially within the Democratic Party, those bonds are shaking as Netanyahu resists a cease-fire in Gaza. He leaves us wondering: Why should our tax dollars subsidize a rain of destruction that has killed scores of children, damaged 17 hospitals and clinics and forced 72,000 people to flee their homes?
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President Biden has blocked the United Nations Security Council from calling for a cease-fire. He apparently believes that he can accomplish more with private diplomacy than with public rebukes. “Progress occurs in the Middle East when everyone knows there is simply no space between the United States and Israel,” Biden said in 2010.
Alas, it’s difficult to spot this “progress.” Netanyahu has used American cover to expand settlements and pretty much destroy any hope of a two-state solution. He has winked at domestic extremism, so that at least 100 new WhatsApp groups in Israel (with names like “Death to Arabs”) encourage violence against Palestinians. And now he is bombing Gaza and igniting street fighting that President Reuven Rivlin of Israel has called a “civil war.”

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Some progress! Some young Americans see the rise of this hawkish, more extremist Israel and perceive not a plucky democracy but an oppressive military power. What strikes them most isn’t democratic values so much as what Human Rights Watch calls “crimes of apartheid.” Netanyahu also undermined bipartisan American support for Israel by undercutting Democrats like Obama and aligning himself at the hip with Donald Trump and America’s right wing.
Many of us admire a great deal about Israel. At home it has a robust democracy that gives more rights to Arab citizens than its neighbors do: Thank God Israel treats its Arab citizens better than Egypt, Syria or Saudi Arabia treat their Arab citizens.
Yet there’s also the other Israel that systematically discriminates against Palestinians in the occupied territories and seems to think it can indefinitely control them and grab their land and water without giving them voting rights.



Defenders of Israel’s policy in Gaza note that Israel sometimes warns people before destroying their buildings, that Israel, in contrast to Hamas, is not trying to kill as many civilians as possible, and that Hamas often locates military sites in civilian areas in ways that make collateral damage more likely. All true. But America should aspire to have allies with a higher moral standard than “better than Hamas.”
It’s also troubling that while the destruction of Gaza helps Netanyahu politically, it doesn’t seem to have any strategic purpose. Indeed, it arguably helps Hamas.
“This is Israel’s most failed and pointless Gaza operation ever,” wrote Aluf Benn, the editor of the Israeli newspaper Haaretz.
So bravo to Senators Bernie Sanders and Jon Ossoff for showing leadership in Congress by standing up to Netanyahu. It’s notable that both men are Jewish, for today the strongest supporters of Netanyahu’s hard-line policies are not American Jews but white evangelical Christians. A Pew survey last year found that fewer than one-third of young Jews in the United States rated Netanyahu as good or excellent, and barely one-quarter strongly opposed the B.D.S. movement to boycott Israel.
In a recent column, I asked why giving $3.8 billion a year in military assistance to a rich country like Israel is the best use of that money, instead of, say, vaccinating people in poor countries against Covid-19.
I braced myself for a torrent of criticism. There was some, much of it making legitimate counterpoints. But what struck me was how many people simply agreed with me in a way that would never have been true a decade ago.
One last thing: Suggesting that the United States condition aid to Israel inevitably provokes charges of anti-Semitism, so let’s be cleareyed.
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Anti-Semitism is a genuine concern and no doubt infuses some denunciations of Israel. But it cheapens the authentic struggle against anti-Semitism to fling such charges lightly. Just as anti-Semites shouldn’t use this conflict to promote hate, supporters of Israel shouldn’t use anti-Semitism as a screen to hide actions from honest criticism.
It isn’t Islamophobic to denounce Iran’s nuclear program. It’s not anti-Christian to reproach President Donald Trump for condoning white nationalism. And it’s not anti-Semitic to criticize Israel for possible war crimes.

 
Dan Kleinman does not know quite how to feel.
As a child in Brooklyn he was taught to revere Israel as the protector of Jews everywhere, the “Jewish superman who would come out of the sky to save us” when things got bad, he said.
It was a refuge in his mind when white supremacists in Charlottesville, Va., chanted “Jews will not replace us,” or kids in college grabbed his shirt, mimicking a “South Park” episode to steal his “Jew gold.”
But his feelings have grown muddier as he has gotten older, especially now as he watches violence unfold in Israel and Gaza. His moral compass tells him to help the Palestinians, but he cannot shake an ingrained paranoia every time he hears someone make anti-Israel statements.
“It is an identity crisis,” Mr. Kleinman, 33, said. “Very small in comparison to what is happening in Gaza and the West Bank, but it is still something very strange and weird.”
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As the violence escalates in the Middle East, turmoil of a different kind is growing across the Atlantic. Many young American Jews are confronting the region’s longstanding strife in a very different context, with very different pressures, from their parents’ and grandparents’ generations.
The Israel of their lifetime has been powerful, no longer appearing to some to be under constant existential threat. The violence comes after a year when mass protests across the United States have changed how many Americans see issues of racial and social justice. The pro-Palestinian position has become more common, with prominent progressive members of Congress offering impassioned speeches in defense of the Palestinians on the House floor. At the same time, reports of anti-Semitism are rising across the country.
A building destroyed by the Israeli air strikes in Gaza City.

A building destroyed by the Israeli air strikes in Gaza City.Credit...Hosam Salem for The New York Times
Divides between some American Jews and Israel’s right-wing government have been growing for more than a decade, but under the Trump administration those fractures that many hoped would heal became a crevasse. Politics in Israel have also remained fraught, as Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s long-tenured government forged allegiances with Washington. For young people who came of age during the Trump years, political polarization over the issue only deepened.
Many Jews in America remain unreservedly supportive of Israel and its government. Still, the events of recent weeks have left some families struggling to navigate both the crisis abroad and the wide-ranging response from American Jews at home. What is at stake is not just geopolitical, but deeply personal. Fractures are intensifying along lines of age, observance and partisan affiliation.
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In suburban Livingston, N.J., Meara Ashtivker, 38, has been afraid for her father-in-law in Israel, who has a disability and is not able to rush to the stairwell to shelter when he hears the air-raid sirens. She is also scared as she sees people in her progressive circles suddenly seem anti-Israel and anti-Jewish, she said.
Ms. Ashtivker, whose husband is Israeli, said she loved and supported Israel, even when she did not always agree with the government and its actions.
“It’s really hard being an American Jew right now,” she said. “It is exhausting and scary.”
Some young, liberal Jewish activists have found common cause with Black Lives Matter, which explicitly advocates for Palestinian liberation, concerning others who see that allegiance as anti-Semitic.
The recent turmoil is the first major outbreak of violence in Israel and Gaza for which Aviva Davis, who graduated this spring from Brandeis University, has been “socially conscious.”
“I’m on a search for the truth, but what’s the truth when everyone has a different way of looking at things?” Ms. Davis said.


Alyssa Rubin, 26, who volunteers in Boston with IfNotNow, a network of Jewish activists who want to end Jewish American support for Israeli occupation, has found protesting for the Palestinian cause to be its own form of religious observance.
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She said she and her 89-year-old grandfather ultimately both want the same thing, Jewish safety. But “he is really entrenched in this narrative that the only way we can be safe is by having a country,” she said, while her generation has seen that “the inequality has become more exacerbated.”
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In the protest movements last summer, “a whole new wave of people were really primed to see the connection and understand racism more explicitly,” she said, “understanding the ways racism plays out here, and then looking at Israel/Palestine and realizing it is the exact same system.”
But that comparison is exactly what worries many other American Jews, who say the history of white American slaveholders is not the correct frame for viewing the Israeli government or the global Jewish experience of oppression.
At Temple Concord, a Reform synagogue in Syracuse, N.Y., teenager after teenager started calling Rabbi Daniel Fellman last week, wondering how to process seeing Black Lives Matter activists they marched with last summer attack Israel as “an apartheid state.”
“The reaction today is different because of what has occurred with the past year, year and a half, here,” Rabbi Fellman said. “As a Jewish community, we are looking at it through slightly different eyes.”
Nearby at Sha’arei Torah Orthodox Congregation of Syracuse, teenagers were reflecting on their visits to Israel and on their family in the region.
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“They see it as Hamas being a terrorist organization that is shooting missiles onto civilian areas,” Rabbi Evan Shore said. “They can’t understand why the world seems to be supporting terrorism over Israel.”
A building in Ashdod, Israel, that was hit by a rocket fired from Gaza.

A building in Ashdod, Israel, that was hit by a rocket fired from Gaza.Credit...Dan Balilty for The New York Times
In Colorado, a high school senior at Denver Jewish Day School said he was frustrated at the lack of nuance in the public conversation. When his social media apps filled with pro-Palestinian memes last week, slogans like “From the river to the sea” and “Zionism is a call for an apartheid state,” he deactivated his accounts.
“The conversation is so unproductive, and so aggressive, that it really stresses you out,” Jonas Rosenthal, 18, said. “I don’t think that using that message is helpful for convincing the Israelis to stop bombing Gaza.”
Compared with their elders, younger American Jews are overrepresented on the ends of the religious affiliation spectrum: a higher share are secular, and a higher share are Orthodox.
Ari Hart, 39, an Orthodox rabbi in Skokie, Ill., has accepted the fact that his Zionism makes him unwelcome in some activist spaces where he would otherwise be comfortable. College students in his congregation are awakening to that same tension, he said. “You go to a college campus and want to get involved in antiracism or social justice work, but if you support the state of Israel, you’re the problem,” he said.
Rabbi Hart sees increasing skepticism in liberal Jewish circles over Israel’s right to exist. “This is a generation who are very moved and inspired by social justice causes and want to be on the right side of justice,” Rabbi Hart said. “But they’re falling into overly simplistic narratives, and narratives driven by true enemies of the Jewish people.”
Overall, younger American Jews are less attached to Israel than older generations: About half of Jewish adults under 30 describe themselves as emotionally connected to Israel, compared with about two-thirds of Jews over age 64, according to a major survey published last week by the Pew Research Center.


More at: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/19/...k&module=Well&pgtype=Homepage&section=US News
 
Holy Strawman!!!

It isn’t Islamophobic to denounce Iran’s nuclear program. It’s not anti-Christian to reproach President Donald Trump for condoning white nationalism. And it’s not anti-Semitic to criticize Israel for possible war crimes.
 
You are absolutely correct. My friends on the far left are wrong.
He is correct only if you distort all reality. Even today, we have news that Israel reneged on the ceasefire and began proking Palestine again. Those surely aren't the actions of a state simply wanting to be left alone.
 
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You have this backwards. Israel is the aggressor here. Palestine is the one wanting to be left alone. It sure isn't Palestine evicting the people of Israel from their homes and taking their land. That's what Israel is doing.
And it isn't the Palestinians who are doing everything within their power to destroy the two state solution, while illegally gobbling up more and more of the land in Israel.
 
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And it isn't the Palestinians who are doing everything within their power to destroy the two state solution, while illegally gobbling up more and more of the land in Israel.
@BlackNGoldBleeder will just come back and say something about Huey Clueless and the News. That's about all he's worth in these threads. Even after Israel breaks deals brokered by the United States, he still somehow places fault on anyone but Israel.
 
You have this backwards. Israel is the aggressor here. Palestine is the one wanting to be left alone. It sure isn't Palestine evicting the people of Israel from their homes and taking their land. That's what Israel is doing.

Whats unfortunate in this situation is that there is a difference between Hamas and Palestinians.

Israel has, at times been justified to use force against Hamas. But they are losing the battle on the public relations front. Bibi in particular doesn’t have much credibility right now.
 
Whats unfortunate in this situation is that there is a difference between Hamas and Palestinians.

Israel has, at times been justified to use force against Hamas. But they are losing the battle on the public relations front. Bibi in particular doesn’t have much credibility right now.
Make no mistake. Hamas has done some despicable things themselves. But Israel is daring them to do this stuff. They want to provoke this misbehavior knowing they can crush them anytime they want.
 
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He is correct only if you distort all reality. Even today, we have news that Israel reneged on the ceasefire and began proking Palestine again. Those surely aren't the actions of a state simply wanting to be left alone.

I'm sure they learned hypocrisy well from their American allies.
 
@BlackNGoldBleeder will just come back and say something about Huey Clueless and the News. That's about all he's worth in these threads. Even after Israel breaks deals brokered by the United States, he still somehow places fault on anyone but Israel.

That is not true in the least. I've simply pointed out Hamas and Palestinians are not above reproach. And, if I had to pick a side, I will side with Israel every day that ends in y. That used to not be controversial to libs.
 
Make no mistake. Hamas has done some despicable things themselves. But Israel is daring them to do this stuff. They want to provoke this misbehavior knowing they can crush them anytime they want.

And there are almost certainly those in Hamas who welcome these casualties, knowing that cynically it creates martyrs for them. I question whether Israel needed to conduct these last several days of military actions; I don’t question that they have done their best to keep civilian casualties to a minimum are are not deliberately targeting them. I don’t doubt that Hamas counts every civilian death as a victory.
 
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You have this backwards. Israel is the aggressor here. Palestine is the one wanting to be left alone. It sure isn't Palestine evicting the people of Israel from their homes and taking their land. That's what Israel is doing.

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Back to Huey Clueless & The News.

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Here's what worries me...

Netanyahu and the Israeli Right need to be slapped down. They deserve to be slapped down.

But how do you do that without signalling that antisemitism is OK?
 
Here's what worries me...

Netanyahu and the Israeli Right need to be slapped down. They deserve to be slapped down.

But how do you do that without signalling that antisemitism is OK?
They would not be being slapped down for being Jewish. They would be being slapped down for committing war crimes.
 
They would not be being slapped down for being Jewish. They would be being slapped down for committing war crimes.
That truth - and I agree that it is the truth - won't keep efforts to rein in the Israeli Right from emboldening antisemitism in America.

I consider myself a member of the Exodus generation. Which is to say that my earliest impressions and strongest feelings toward Israel were formed when I was a youngster and first watched that movie.

That, however, doesn't change the fact that America was an antisemitic nation for at least the first few decades of my life. Nixon was an anti-semite. Notwithstanding having a Jewish son in law, Trump's views are suspect. His support of Israel seems to have been purely transactional.

Despite tremendous Jewish support for the Civil Rights movement in America, there's a strong antisemitic thread running through elements of the African American community.

Antisemitism also plays a role in White Supremacy and neo-Nazi communities.

AIPAC and others have worked hard for decades to equate criticism of Israel with antisemitism.

Add all that together and you get my fear that any successful effort to rein in the Israeli Right will give the wrong kind of signal. And yet, the Israeli Right must be reined in.

How do you do that - without unintended consequences?
 
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