The 2018 report identified the problems that came out this year
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All good points. Yet, through all of that, guys like Doyle and BF were never put in check? They never brought a 3rd party in to review their policies and how they're enacted? And Binns -- i'll say it again, if you have race issues you correct them immediately. They brought on Binns into that role in the fall, as someone else mentioned. And they have yet to mention a single change he/they enacted since then. Then, they move him from interim into the full time role in July of 2020?
I think you're right actually...you can't say NOTHING was done. But, even they admit, they missed the mark and didn't do enough. Was it really b/c Kirk didn't know about it? And if that's the case, then isn't that in itself pathetic? You telling me a smart man, making that kind of money, overseeing the flagship program at the states flagship institution had a bunch of shit happening under his nose but didn't realize it? Not sure about you, but I'm not buying that.
Also, per Iowa's legal team, the agency that performs the testing does not collect demographic data. Unless someone was hand picking the starters/regulars who were tested, it wasn't biased. This was in Howe's article or a similar one yesterday.
thanks for proving his point with your failure to recognize he was talking about you. Your commitment to remaining ignorant is really something.
"Before last season, Iowa did allow players to wear items such as hats, earrings and hoodies into the team facility. However, Ferentz noted that even that was not enough to create a more inclusive culture at Iowa.
“We allowed (student-athletes) to wear hats, earrings, [and hoodies] but what I learned here is there’s a lot more to it,” Ferentz said. “We’ve got to dig deeper, listen better, and act on things that count.”"
Someone is not being entirely forthright with what they knew and when they knew it. Why would Ferentz the make the mentioned changes and then stand up at the podium and say " this is all news to me? The most troubling part for me is the accusation of a lack of academic support to for black football players.
“We allowed (student-athletes) to wear hats, earrings, [and hoodies] but what I learned here is there’s a lot more to it,” Ferentz said. “We’ve got to dig deeper, listen better, and act on things that count.”"
Someone is not being entirely forthright with what they knew and when they knew it. Why would Ferentz the make the mentioned changes and then stand up at the podium and say " this is all news to me? The most troubling part for me is the accusation of a lack of academic support to for black football players.
I have to send my employees to get random drug tested. I have a 60+ Y/O white guy, that has gotten tested 8x in the last 14 months. It's all racial...Gotta be. No one gets picked that many times without it being racial right? (Insert MASSIVE eye roll)
I hope this post makes you feel better.
That article is just parroting the same line given everywhere else. Just because someone tweets they support what someone else said doesn’t mean they get thrown on the tally board too.
It should be easy for rob howe or another reporter to make a name for themselves to create a spreadsheet with names and grievances.
Take out dress code and being on time issues, you’d have a short list. And I’d be willing to bet a lot of the other issues were with guys that were often late and didn’t follow other team rules.
Go read the report that dropped. Go look at the breakdown of players that spoke out (32/56 were all big ten, all american and/or NFL draft picks).
This isn't a bunch of shitty kids with axes to grind. It's a legitimate issue that the school knew about and failed to fully address for years. If you haven't at least come to that conclusion, then you're burying your head.
I think that's by not understanding that the window dressing of hats, earrings and hoodies did nothing to fix the real issue of disparity. I think KF understands that now in a way that the changes he makes will correct the issues behind the disparity.
I really think this is the bottom line of this whole thing. White people truly not knowing or understanding how their words, actions, thoughts affect the black people around them. Sadly it takes something extreme to make you open your eyes to see what is right in front of your face. Once you see it, it seems silly to have missed it all along and becomes easier to address. It's not coming from a place of hatred or intent. KF has had his moment and is fixing the issue. I think it speaks volumes about his character to face this challenge head on and admit his mistakes.
How many of the complaints are after 2018? Wadley was done in May 2018 at the latest (maybe earlier, depending on when he left school to prepare for the draft). Same for James Daniels.
I think that Ferentz had one main blind spot, related to Doyle. I think that he believed Doyle was hard on players, but was not racist. And he may have been correct. I think that there is a difference between being racist, in terms of viewing one race as actually superior to another race, and being racially insensitive (failing to understand how one's words and actions are interpreted by people of a different race).
I think that with Binns and the other hires, he thought that they were doing what needed to be done to address retention and graduation rates. And they may have been. There has been surprisingly little attrition in the classes that have come in after Binns, Bell, Copeland and Foster.
I do not think that the response of Ferentz was pathetic. I think that he genuinely cares about his players. I do think that the athletic department is bad at PR, and could have managed the 2018 report a lot better. If you know that a FOIA request has been made and that you are going to be giving out that document, try to get ahead of it. Point out the diversity of the hires that have been made recently. If you have good recent data on graduations (and maybe you don't because of early entrants to the NFL), note the graduation rate of the last year or two. But do something.
Go away hawkbirch. You’d be better off commenting on a liberal feed on Twitter. You are a total snowflake. Get lost
You are the one whining about who should be on here and I'm the snowflake? Do you even know what that word means?
It's hard to admit you are part of the problem. It's okay. I get it. If you have enough character and honesty, you'll get there someday. Or don't. IDGAF. But I'm not going anywhere at least in part because I know my being here annoys you enough to tell me to leave.
I don't think there has ever been a dreadlocks ban. There may have been inappropriate comments regarding dreadlocks by some of the coaching staff.
I continue to be amazed that people are shocked that a wealthy older white man lacks perspective on the experience of young black men.
How about you start following the story or stop commenting?
From Day 1, Ferentz and Barta have acknowledged that they were already aware of and taking action on the issue prior to anyone going public on Twitter. But they were not aware of many of the stories on Twitter....James Daniels and Company have even admitted that these stories were not told to Ferentz.
Do you you need anything else explained to you? Try paying attention moving forward.
You're so incredibly woke.
By the way, the "window dressing" issues you dismiss are the EXACT issues referenced by James Daniels and Jordan Lomax on the WUW podcast. Maybe you should try listening to black voices rather than playing White Savior.
If you watch a lot of football you’d notice that the vast majority of healers coming off are from players wearing dreadlocks.
Maybe just maybe the dislike of dread was because a coach doesn’t want his best players sitting on the bench or getting hurt. Not as sinister as some might make it out to be.
and you are so ignorant. Those are not the only issues they discussed. I'll type slowly so you can understand.
Here is the quote that I was responding to about window dressings...
“We allowed (student-athletes) to wear hats, earrings, [and hoodies] but what I learned here is there’s a lot more to it,” Ferentz said. “We’ve got to dig deeper, listen better, and act on things that count.”"
The issues that Daniels and Lomax raised are the deeper issues and the ones that count. That's what they talked about on WUW.
It is no shock to anyone that you missed that completely. Keep doing you though.
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It is quite perplexing the insane comments on this board. I would say Im surprised but in many ways Im not as these comments are based on years and years of cultural incompetence and ignorance. I am surprised at how freely these guys spew such nonsense. These guys have not engaged with their own white privilege or care to better understand the social reality for many Black Americans. The fact they think 55 Black kids are lying, whiny and unappreciative while enduring years of a hostile and toxic environment is just disgusting. Old accounts New accounts these all all the same people we went to Iowa with. They’re just older.
Not sure who "These guys" are?
I think you embellish too much, I agree that there are some things that needed to change but if it was ever as bad as you portray we would have been the only white team in America. This coming from someone that has more Black/Hispanic/Indian friends than white. This also coming from someone who volunteers to work with inner-city youth once a week....until covid hit.
Care to make a wager about Daniels and Lomax discussing music, earrings, etc. on WUW?
Since it appears you learned a new phrase and seem very eager to show it off, what do you mean by White Savior?
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That doesn’t help, but you tried. I’m sill trying to figure out why you called me Sandusky. Lots of questions, no answers.
I agree. There have definitely been some issues in the program. I do not believe Kirk is racist or Doyle for that matter. I think Doyle was guilty of being a jerk to players as he thought it was the best motivator. It is disappointing that he felt this way and he should have known that he needed to make adjustments based on the player. Some players respond to a hammer, while others need a different motivator.
I do believe that some of the policies were more difficult for the black players to conform to than the white players. I can also see where the black players felt that they were not able to be themselves. I believe Kirk truly felt the rules he had in place were best for the entire team and the players in order for them to be successful in football and in life. The “Iowa Way” that we embrace is built on hard work and teamwork.
We have heard for years about the family atmosphere at Iowa and it is very disappointing to hear that this has not necessarily been the case. Changes do need to be made, which I believe Kirk has been doing over the last few years. It sounds like this may not have been fast enough for some people. Most of what I have heard is that Kirk is a good person and I believe he wants to fix the situation. I hope he gets that chance provided nothing substantial is found with the independent review. I am not aware of anything new in yesterday’s report that calls for any changes at this time.
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Chris Doyle to Black kids “I will send you back to the ghetto”
Thats a motivational tool?
FOR CHRISTS SAKE. Im done
I have heard multiple accounts of that story. The initial report said ghetto. A subsequent report said Glenville, which is the town the player was from. The WUW said it was common for Doyle to give the players (white and black) a hard time about their hometown. I do agree that Doyle should not have said ghetto, if that is what he said. Do you have conclusive proof that is what was said?
they did talk about music and earrings but those weren't the only things or even the most important ones.
He literally never said that. Thank God you're done.
What you are doing now is actually racist.
In no way, shape, or form did Daniels and Lomax de-emphasize the importance of music, earrings, etc. In fact, they brought those issues up as important.
But you (a privileged white man) have decided you won't listen to these black voices and will instead determine what is important yourself.
For you, it's not about listening to black voices. It's about virtue signaling to other white people on a message board. You're the very definition of a White Savior.
I just don't even know what to say to some of you. Kirk himself has basically said he f'ed up, the culture was not what he thought and changes were not made like they should have been. Then the same 8-10 of you blindly come on here and throw out "nothing was wrong," or "why didn't they complain in 2002? (From our resident moon man OIT) or "maybe they just didn't work hard enough." There is no end to this. Peace out boys!
You can laugh about his black friends comment all you want, but people that are exposed to people different than themselves absolutely have a head start on these issues. Jordan Lomax said as much himself.....said some of his black teammates struggled because they, unlike himself, hadn't really been exposed to white people before.
