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The Children of Pornhub

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Pornhub prides itself on being the cheery, winking face of naughty, the website that buys a billboard in Times Square and provides snow plows to clear Boston streets. It donates to organizations fighting for racial equality and offers steamy content free to get people through Covid-19 shutdowns.
That supposedly “wholesome Pornhub” attracts 3.5 billion visits a month, more than Netflix, Yahoo or Amazon. Pornhub rakes in money from almost three billion ad impressions a day. One ranking lists Pornhub as the 10th-most-visited website in the world.
Yet there’s another side of the company: Its site is infested with rape videos. It monetizes child rapes, revenge pornography, spy cam videos of women showering, racist and misogynist content, and footage of women being asphyxiated in plastic bags. A search for “girls under18” (no space) or “14yo” leads in each case to more than 100,000 videos. Most aren’t of children being assaulted, but too many are.
After a 15-year-old girl went missing in Florida, her mother found her on Pornhub — in 58 sex videos. Sexual assaults on a 14-year-old California girl were posted on Pornhub and were reported to the authorities not by the company but by a classmate who saw the videos. In each case, offenders were arrested for the assaults, but Pornhub escaped responsibility for sharing the videos and profiting from them.
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Pornhub is like YouTube in that it allows members of the public to post their own videos. A great majority of the 6.8 million new videos posted on the site each year probably involve consenting adults, but many depict child abuse and nonconsensual violence. Because it’s impossible to be sure whether a youth in a video is 14 or 18, neither Pornhub nor anyone else has a clear idea of how much content is illegal.
Unlike YouTube, Pornhub allows these videos to be downloaded directly from its website. So even if a rape video is removed at the request of the authorities, it may already be too late: The video lives on as it is shared with others or uploaded again and again.

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“Pornhub became my trafficker,” a woman named Cali told me. She says she was adopted in the United States from China and then trafficked by her adoptive family and forced to appear in pornographic videos beginning when she was 9. Some videos of her being abused ended up on Pornhub and regularly reappear there, she said.
“I’m still getting sold, even though I’m five years out of that life,” Cali said. Now 23, she is studying in a university and hoping to become a lawyer — but those old videos hang over her.
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“I may never be able to get away from this,” she said. “I may be 40 with eight kids, and people are still masturbating to my photos.”
“You type ‘Young Asian’ and you can probably find me,” she added.
Actually, maybe not. Pornhub recently was offering 26,000 videos in response to that search. That doesn’t count videos that show up under “related searches” that Pornhub suggests, including “young tiny teen,” “extra small petite teen,” “tiny Asian teen” or just “young girl.” Nor does it necessarily count videos on a Pornhub channel called “exploited teen Asia.”
The issue is not pornography but rape. Let’s agree that promoting assaults on children or on anyone without consent is unconscionable. The problem with Bill Cosby or Harvey Weinstein or Jeffrey Epstein was not the sex but the lack of consent — and so it is with Pornhub.
I came across many videos on Pornhub that were recordings of assaults on unconscious women and girls. The rapists would open the eyelids of the victims and touch their eyeballs to show that they were nonresponsive.
Pornhub profited this fall from a video of a naked woman being tortured by a gang of men in China. It is monetizing video compilations with titles like “Screaming Teen,” “Degraded Teen” and “Extreme Choking.” Look at a choking video and it may suggest also searching for “She Can’t Breathe.”
It should be possible to be sex positive and Pornhub negative.
Pornhub declined to make executives available on the record, but it provided a statement. “Pornhub is unequivocally committed to combating child sexual abuse material, and has instituted a comprehensive, industry-leading trust and safety policy to identify and eradicate illegal material from our community,” it said. Pornhub added that any assertion that the company allows child videos on the site “is irresponsible and flagrantly untrue.”

More at: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/04/...l?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
 
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That's really shocking, gross and sad.


Clearly gross and sad, but not really shocking. The internet has made access for the depraved and disgusting portion of our population to be more embolden and increased their ability to get their fix. Which usually comes at the price of our children.

CSB - During my work for internet crimes, we spent a fair amount of time hunting for sexual predators. This was back when yahoo chat was still big (now, its just moved to alternate methods). Within 10 minutes of creating an account as a 13 yo girl and getting into chat, I'd see more strange dong than I had in my previous 24 years. Which usually resulted in me (or others who had a fish on) throwing our chat onto the main screen. Frequently, this was class work so all the other investigators could watch, learn and see (unfortunately). One of the hardest parts of this is when the person is in a separate jurisdiction, getting time to chase down a never ending flood of perverts is effectively like fighting the tide. It also shows just how thin the veneer of our society is. So keep that in mind when you send nudes to a stranger, it could be a room full of cops.

TLDR - I used to pretend to be a 13yo (or younger) girl to catfish guys for law enforcement.
 
Clearly gross and sad, but not really shocking. The internet has made access for the depraved and disgusting portion of our population to be more embolden and increased their ability to get their fix. Which usually comes at the price of our children.

CSB - During my work for internet crimes, we spent a fair amount of time hunting for sexual predators. This was back when yahoo chat was still big (now, its just moved to alternate methods). Within 10 minutes of creating an account as a 13 yo girl and getting into chat, I'd see more strange dong than I had in my previous 24 years. Which usually resulted in me (or others who had a fish on) throwing our chat onto the main screen. Frequently, this was class work so all the other investigators could watch, learn and see (unfortunately). One of the hardest parts of this is when the person is in a separate jurisdiction, getting time to chase down a never ending flood of perverts is effectively like fighting the tide. It also shows just how thin the veneer of our society is. So keep that in mind when you send nudes to a stranger, it could be a room full of cops.

TLDR - I used to pretend to be a 13yo (or younger) girl to catfish guys for law enforcement.
I wouldn't send a nude of me to me. I am how you say fugly :) And besides that's gross.
 
It is a stunning gap in criminal laws. The laws cannot keep up with the velocity of new sex crime technology/violations/methds and in some instances it is nearly impossible to prosecute.

So, what's the difference between pornhub and Craigslist, where Craigslist had to take down their personal ads because of a law passed that would hold them criminally responsible if a minor was exploited via a Craigslist posting? Why would the law not extend to a website that ostensibly allows videos of sex crimes to be distributed?
 
So, what's the difference between pornhub and Craigslist, where Craigslist had to take down their personal ads because of a law passed that would hold them criminally responsible if a minor was exploited via a Craigslist posting? Why would the law not extend to a website that ostensibly allows videos of sex crimes to be distributed?


Not a lawyer, and have been out of the game for a while so I really don't know. If you have nude photos of your kid, even something you feel is innocent, you can still be criminally charged in some instances. So, I don't know why the pornhub servers which likely hold the illegal content don't create a scenario where the company is criminally liable. I would THINK, that any distribution, knowingly or unknowing, would allow them to be held liable. I am guessing that since they are only a conduit, they, to date, have a loop hole they are exploiting. Again, the technology allows for new ways to circumvent laws faster than legislatures can keep up (and in many instances understand since few are tech savvy). It could be something as simple as the severs are offshore. Looks like pronhub specifically is based out of Cyprus and has servers overseas..... If the US was more involved in global activities like criminal prosecution vs worrying about just our borders, we could engage in global criminal prosecution. I do legitimately think we need an actual police force that ignores borders for some certain criminal pursuit, but thats a hard sell to many.


It is terrifying and maddening at the same time.




Seems to me that it should not be legal to post pornography on the internet without a way for the company doing the posting to confirm that all of the subjects involved are over the age of 18.

Sure, but that isn't the model the business is created on, and if they did, multiple countries would have to buy in to enforce. And then the hosting country would have to agree since this isn't just a US issue (they are not incorporated here) so Cyprus would have to start....

It would be easier to prosecute on the location receiving, but then you run into the issue of getting valid information on who it went to based on P2P data transactions being somewhat heard to track unless you have access to the source data's transactions (if it is even recorded).
 
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Not a lawyer, and have been out of the game for a while so I really don't know. If you have nude photos of your kid, even something you feel is innocent, you can still be criminally charged in some instances. So, I don't know why the pornhub servers which likely hold the illegal content don't create a scenario where the company is criminally liable. I would THINK, that any distribution, knowingly or unknowing, would allow them to be held liable. I am guessing that since they are only a conduit, they, to date, have a loop hole they are exploiting. Again, the technology allows for new ways to circumvent laws faster than legislatures can keep up (and in many instances understand since few are tech savvy). It could be something as simple as the severs are offshore. Looks like pronhub specifically is based out of Cyprus and has servers overseas..... If the US was more involved in global activities like criminal prosecution vs worrying about just our borders, we could engage in global criminal prosecution. I do legitimately think we need an actual police force that ignores borders for some certain criminal pursuit, but thats a hard sell to many.


It is terrifying and maddening at the same time.

So if my SIL and I have photos of all our kids in the tub with their cousins (would never put on the Internet) at 2-3 years old and taken in the 80's, we could theoretically be in trouble? Yikes.
 

Yep, hopefully now I can finally convince my mom to take the picture down of my sister and I in the bathtub when we were like one and three. It's been hanging in the half bathroom on the main floor for years. Pretty much every guest has seen it.
 
Not a lawyer, and have been out of the game for a while so I really don't know. If you have nude photos of your kid, even something you feel is innocent, you can still be criminally charged in some instances. .
I knew a guy that was going through a nasty divorce several years ago. His ex-wife accused him of having child porn. Police raided and took all of his devices (phones, laptops, computers). Came out to be a big nothing, but he admitted being pretty nervous because he would periodically backup everyone's phones. She had a teenage daughter living in the house at the time and he was worried that there was a possibility of her having nudes of herself or other kids on her phone.
 
So if my SIL and I have photos of all our kids in the tub with their cousins (would never put on the Internet) at 2-3 years old and taken in the 80's, we could theoretically be in trouble? Yikes.


Theoretically, possibly.....


There are a number of legal sites where they outline scenarios they have seen of innocent behavior that was twisted.

"I know it when I see it" - US Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart.

That has always irked me.
 
Prosecutors are too busy going after teenaged boys and putting them on the sexual predator list for receiving nude photos from girls or for predatorialy having sex with girls the same age as them to go after pornhub.
 
Prosecutors are too busy going after teenaged boys and putting them on the sexual predator list for receiving nude photos from girls or for predatorialy having sex with girls the same age as them to go after pornhub.


I don't want to agree with this... BUT.... easy cases are always conducted faster and more than complex cases. It also helps when a parent is in the ear of anyone who will listen. DUIs are almost always under prosecuted due to being a misdemeanor that requires a lot of work. It is also hours of paperwork for a single arrest vs being out and about.
 
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Theoretically, possibly.....


There are a number of legal sites where they outline scenarios they have seen of innocent behavior that was twisted.

"I know it when I see it" - US Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart.

That has always irked me.
😱 Wow.
 
I wouldn't send a nude of me to me. I am how you say fugly :) And besides that's gross.


You'd be surprised. Many don't care. We would also talk them into doing weird stuff and usually, if the incident would not go too far, would flip our camera on and say "Congrats, you have shown yourself to a whole room of of police!".

As an example, "they" <95% guys> will have their camera on, they enjoy showing themselves off, no matter how unattractive it is to the rest of the world. So, had a guy on and decided we'd see what we could get him to do. Some of this was so part of the discussion, what is legal and NOT legal to request, where is the line of entrapment and what serves no purpose as a consumtion of my investigative time. And some is just screwing around as time spent. So, was interacting with a guy, and as proof guys will do a lot when they are in the zone, I once I asked a dude to dip his unit into a jar of mayo. He ran off, returned with the mayo and yep, sure enough, dip dip waiving it around in front of the camera. One of the reasons I refuse to eat mayo at anyone else's house. I'm scarred and scared off of unsealed condiments, but god that was funny. Esp when we, as a group, turned the camera on.
 
You'd be surprised. Many don't care. We would also talk them into doing weird stuff and usually, if the incident would not go too far, would flip our camera on and say "Congrats, you have shown yourself to a whole room of of police!".

As an example, "they" <95% guys> will have their camera on, they enjoy showing themselves off, no matter how unattractive it is to the rest of the world. So, had a guy on and decided we'd see what we could get him to do. Some of this was so part of the discussion, what is legal and NOT legal to request, where is the line of entrapment and what serves no purpose as a consumtion of my investigative time. And some is just screwing around as time spent. So, was interacting with a guy, and as proof guys will do a lot when they are in the zone, I once I asked a dude to dip his unit into a jar of mayo. He ran off, returned with the mayo and yep, sure enough, dip dip waiving it around in front of the camera. One of the reasons I refuse to eat mayo at anyone else's house. I'm scarred and scared off of unsealed condiments, but god that was funny. Esp when we, as a group, turned the camera on.
I should think it was funny but it's actually beyond sad and needs mental help. This thread makes me want to shower in Clorox. Yuck.
 
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