The faux outrage that Biden is stockpiling baby formula for undocumented immigrants

sober_teacher

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It is what it is. They’re giving formula to illegals during a domestic shortage when Americans cannot get it for themselves. Simple observation, you can justify it however you’d like.

Even the President has to follow the law.

Have to love the perception that Biden an co are buying up all baby formulas and sending to illegals.
 

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Let me try and explain this in a way that even a lefty could understand, you have X amount of formula and you have x amount of babies, someone has to decide who gets the formula. The formula is owned by the U.S.. government and was paid for by U.S. taxpayers so, seems like the prudent thing to do would be to give it to U.S. citizen babies. Now for those bleeding hearts in the crowd, it doesn't mean the illegal babies will starve, it just means some other form of food will have to be found for them just as if the formula was given to the illegals, the U.S. citizen babies would be forced to find some other form of food.
Dog food. I can tell you want to feed them dog food.
 
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Have to love the perception that Biden an co are buying up all baby formulas and sending to illegals.
Link to that perception? I presented two facts, did not indicate dependence of one upon the other. But, sure….
 

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“They are sending pallets, pallets of baby formula to the border. Meanwhile, in our own district at home, we cannot find baby formula.”
— Rep. Kat Cammack (R-Fla.), on social media, May 12
“While mothers and fathers stare at empty grocery store shelves in a panic, the Biden administration is happy to provide baby formula to illegal immigrants coming across our southern border. This is yet another one in a long line of reckless, out-of-touch priorities from the Biden administration when it comes to securing our border and protecting Americans.”
Joint statement by Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) and National Border Patrol Council (NBPC) President Brandon Judd, May 12
Cammack sparked a furor Thursday when she posted photos that compared what she said were stockpiles of baby formula for undocumented immigrants with empty grocery shelves for Americans in local stores. “You see the American government sending by the pallet thousands and thousands of containers of baby formula to the border, that would make my blood boil,” she said.
The Texas governor, along with other Republicans, quickly jumped on the bandwagon, issuing a joint statement with a president of a labor union that represents Border Patrol agents.
Cammack said she was not blaming the babies — “it is not the children’s fault at all” — but she and Abbott blasted the Biden administration for allowing this happen.
The problem is that the Biden administration is following the law — a law that President Donald Trump also followed (though he wasn’t happy about it).

The Facts​

At issue is something called the Flores consent decree, which began as a class-action lawsuit regarding the treatment of migrant children. The Justice Department negotiated a settlement in 1997 during President Bill Clinton’s administration.
The Flores settlement requires the federal government to release rather than detain undocumented immigrant children, first to their parents if possible, to other adult relatives if not, and to licensed programs willing to accept custody if no relatives are available. A 2015 judicial ruling then said the Flores settlement covered all children in immigration officials’ custody, regardless of whether they were apprehended crossing the border alone or with family.
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Here’s the relevant section of the settlement, which refers to the now-defunct Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS).
Note the reference to food: “Whenever the INS takes a minor into custody, it shall expeditiously process the minor and shall provide the minor with a notice of rights, including the right to a bond redetermination hearing if applicable. Following arrest, the INS shall hold minors in facilities that are safe and sanitary and that are consistent with the INS’s concern for the particular vulnerability of minors. Facilities will provide access to toilets and sinks, drinking water and food as appropriate, medical assistance if the minor is in need of emergency services, adequate temperature control and ventilation, adequate supervision to protect minors from others, and contact with family members who were arrested with the minor.”
A 2015 Customs and Border Protection (CBP) document laid out national standards for transport, escort, detention and search processes. These standards are derived from the Flores settlement and a 2008 law that codified elements of Flores, the Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act.

Among those standards: “Food must be appropriate for at-risk detainees’ age and capabilities (such as formula and baby food).”
We mentioned that Trump was no fan of Flores. He tried to get rid of it but was blocked by the courts. So he followed the law, too. “We also observed all Border Patrol stations had food, snacks, juice, and infant formula available for children,” said a 2020 Department of Homeland Security Inspector General report on how the administration struggled to manage the 2019 migrant surge.
“CBP takes seriously its legal responsibility to ensure the safety and security of individuals in our custody,” a DHS spokesman said. “Ensuring migrants, including children and infants, in our custody have their basic needs met is in line with this Administration’s commitment to ensuring safe, orderly, and humane processes at our border. CBP complies with all applicable regulations for the purchase of products used in CBP facilities.”
We sought comments from Cammack, Abbott and Judd but did not get responses.

The Pinocchio Test​

This is a ridiculous faux outrage. The shortage of baby formula is a serious issue that the administration is seeking to address. But at the same time, the administration cannot be faulted for following the law and providing baby formula to undocumented immigrants. Anyone who suggests this is the result of specific Biden policies, i.e., his “reckless, out-of-touch priorities,” earns Four Pinocchios.

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It's OK to starve brown or black kids so the white babies can live.

This whole thing is stupid. The reason this is an issue is that there has been so much consolidation of yet another industry and one of those 2 has a processing issue.
I just hope they're checking each can for fentanyl, since we don't seem to care too much about how much of that stuff comes across the border and kills us.
You needed to start this completely different rant with....

Whatabout....
 
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sober_teacher

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Link to that perception? I presented two facts, did not indicate dependence of one upon the other. But, sure….

Between conservative media showing empty shelves where baby formula should be, plus the knowledge that at least some of what’s available is going to illegals and their babies instead…that seems clear to me to draw that connection, even tho almost certainly they’re short on baby formula for illegals as well I’m reality.

You and conservative media are driving the story that Biden cares more about illegal immigrants than he does Americans.
 

sober_teacher

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You realize Dems ran on “Change” in 2008 right? Pretty ridiculous that you don’t realize that’s bipartisan.

And when the other party states explicitly their goal is to make Obama a one-term POTUS, that kinda kills bipartisanship doesn’t it?
 

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Between conservative media showing empty shelves where baby formula should be, plus the knowledge that at least some of what’s available is going to illegals and their babies instead…that seems clear to me to draw that connection, even tho almost certainly they’re short on baby formula for illegals as well I’m reality.

You and conservative media are driving the story that Biden cares more about illegal immigrants than he does Americans.
Just asking questions and making observations. People can do whatever they like with the facts presented. I’m not here to decide for them 🤷‍♂️
 

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I guess. Seems like the feds don’t give a shit about the working class of this country. Billions to Ukraine and no answers for everyone losing the value of their wages.
Well, let's say instead of "migrants" we substituted "convicts" or even "prisoners of war." In either case, you've got a duty to those who are in your custody. This really isn't that hard.
 
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And when the other party states explicitly their goal is to make Obama a one-term POTUS, that kinda kills bipartisanship doesn’t it?
I suppose. I actually liked Obama. He was pretty moderate overall, that wasn’t really the point I was trying to make. Imo the extremes of both parties want to implement policies that would destroy the country.
 

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I suppose. I actually liked Obama. He was pretty moderate overall, that wasn’t really the point I was trying to make. Imo the extremes of both parties want to implement policies that would destroy the country.
Not sure I’d go so far as “destroy” -but that’s maybe just semantics. If either extreme got full control I don’t think it’d be good tho for sure.

The trouble is that’s already happening in the GOP.
 

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“They are sending pallets, pallets of baby formula to the border. Meanwhile, in our own district at home, we cannot find baby formula.”
— Rep. Kat Cammack (R-Fla.), on social media, May 12
“While mothers and fathers stare at empty grocery store shelves in a panic, the Biden administration is happy to provide baby formula to illegal immigrants coming across our southern border. This is yet another one in a long line of reckless, out-of-touch priorities from the Biden administration when it comes to securing our border and protecting Americans.”
Joint statement by Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) and National Border Patrol Council (NBPC) President Brandon Judd, May 12
Cammack sparked a furor Thursday when she posted photos that compared what she said were stockpiles of baby formula for undocumented immigrants with empty grocery shelves for Americans in local stores. “You see the American government sending by the pallet thousands and thousands of containers of baby formula to the border, that would make my blood boil,” she said.
The Texas governor, along with other Republicans, quickly jumped on the bandwagon, issuing a joint statement with a president of a labor union that represents Border Patrol agents.
Cammack said she was not blaming the babies — “it is not the children’s fault at all” — but she and Abbott blasted the Biden administration for allowing this happen.
The problem is that the Biden administration is following the law — a law that President Donald Trump also followed (though he wasn’t happy about it).

The Facts​

At issue is something called the Flores consent decree, which began as a class-action lawsuit regarding the treatment of migrant children. The Justice Department negotiated a settlement in 1997 during President Bill Clinton’s administration.
The Flores settlement requires the federal government to release rather than detain undocumented immigrant children, first to their parents if possible, to other adult relatives if not, and to licensed programs willing to accept custody if no relatives are available. A 2015 judicial ruling then said the Flores settlement covered all children in immigration officials’ custody, regardless of whether they were apprehended crossing the border alone or with family.
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Here’s the relevant section of the settlement, which refers to the now-defunct Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS).
Note the reference to food: “Whenever the INS takes a minor into custody, it shall expeditiously process the minor and shall provide the minor with a notice of rights, including the right to a bond redetermination hearing if applicable. Following arrest, the INS shall hold minors in facilities that are safe and sanitary and that are consistent with the INS’s concern for the particular vulnerability of minors. Facilities will provide access to toilets and sinks, drinking water and food as appropriate, medical assistance if the minor is in need of emergency services, adequate temperature control and ventilation, adequate supervision to protect minors from others, and contact with family members who were arrested with the minor.”
A 2015 Customs and Border Protection (CBP) document laid out national standards for transport, escort, detention and search processes. These standards are derived from the Flores settlement and a 2008 law that codified elements of Flores, the Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act.

Among those standards: “Food must be appropriate for at-risk detainees’ age and capabilities (such as formula and baby food).”
We mentioned that Trump was no fan of Flores. He tried to get rid of it but was blocked by the courts. So he followed the law, too. “We also observed all Border Patrol stations had food, snacks, juice, and infant formula available for children,” said a 2020 Department of Homeland Security Inspector General report on how the administration struggled to manage the 2019 migrant surge.
“CBP takes seriously its legal responsibility to ensure the safety and security of individuals in our custody,” a DHS spokesman said. “Ensuring migrants, including children and infants, in our custody have their basic needs met is in line with this Administration’s commitment to ensuring safe, orderly, and humane processes at our border. CBP complies with all applicable regulations for the purchase of products used in CBP facilities.”
We sought comments from Cammack, Abbott and Judd but did not get responses.

The Pinocchio Test​

This is a ridiculous faux outrage. The shortage of baby formula is a serious issue that the administration is seeking to address. But at the same time, the administration cannot be faulted for following the law and providing baby formula to undocumented immigrants. Anyone who suggests this is the result of specific Biden policies, i.e., his “reckless, out-of-touch priorities,” earns Four Pinocchios.

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Isn't your entire day based on faux outrage?
 

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So we are in fact sending baby formula to the border for illegal immigrants while not being able to meet the needs of American citizens?



And the old suspects just gargle cock because the guy in office is a dem. I wish I could laugh at this shit.


If Joe biden fell into a barrel of tits he would come out sucking his thumb.


Is the "we" in your post the US federal government? It makes complete sense to me that the federal government would provide care/essentials to people in their custody. Do you disagree?

In the second half of your first sentence it almost seems like you think its the job or duty of the federal government to meet the needs of American citizens. Is that what you intended to mean? Should they be the ones producing the baby formula? Should the feds manage the logistics and distribution to retailers or should they skip the retailers and run their own stores or deliver direct via USPS?

I think the whole baby formula industry is best managed privately through capitalism, the feds can be customers. Do you have a different vision?

It kind of does seem like you think this is a responsibility of the federal government since you go on to write about and blame Joe Biden.

So much for being a strong self sufficient independent that can live off the land.... nice life bud.
 

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Not sure I’d go so far as “destroy” -but that’s maybe just semantics. If either extreme got full control I don’t think it’d be good tho for sure.

The trouble is that’s already happening in the GOP.
Well both extremes promote fundamentally altering the structure of government and our economy against the will of the majority of the population.
 

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Well, let's say instead of "migrants" we substituted "convicts" or even "prisoners of war." In either case, you've got a duty to those who are in your custody. This really isn't that hard.
Well Americans are in “custody” with that line of thinking. Difference is that they actually pay taxes and vote for these assholes in power. A little effort or at least an appearance of effort to solve the inflation issue would be much appreciated.
 

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you can’t always get what you want!
Is the "we" in your post the US federal government? It makes complete sense to me that the federal government would provide care/essentials to people in their custody. Do you disagree?

In the second half of your first sentence it almost seems like you think its the job or duty of the federal government to meet the needs of American citizens. Is that what you intended to mean? Should they be the ones producing the baby formula? Should the feds manage the logistics and distribution to retailers or should they skip the retailers and run their own stores or deliver direct via USPS?

I think the whole baby formula industry is best managed privately through capitalism, the feds can be customers. Do you have a different vision?

It kind of does seem like you think this is a responsibility of the federal government since you go on to write about and blame Joe Biden.

So much for being a strong self sufficient independent that can live off the land.... nice life bud.
But…but Biden is a socialist and the state runs the economy! So obviously, the socialist state and not the monopolistic nature of capitalism is the fault here!
 

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Well Americans are in “custody” with that line of thinking. Difference is that they actually pay taxes and vote for these assholes in power. A little effort or at least an appearance of effort to solve the inflation issue would be much appreciated.
Oh please.
 
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This isn't the lunch line in the school cafeteria.
You're right, therefore, there are no free lunches. Since school is out, hardworking American parents, who pay $10s of thousands in taxes per year, have every right to have the needs of their children met before those of criminals.
 

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You're right, therefore, there are no free lunches. Since school is out, hardworking American parents, who pay $10s of thousands in taxes per year, have every right to have the needs of their children met before those of criminals.
So. How do you enforce your plan? Do all American parents report after each meal that their kids are fed then the government can feed the detained infants?
 

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So. How do you enforce your plan? Do all American parents report after each meal that their kids are fed then the government can feed the detained infants?
There's no since replying to you anymore, because when they went to wash your brain in leftist school, they grabbed drano instead of ajax......
 
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It's just vile and despicable people being vile and despicable people. It was completely predictable that the "pro-life", "values", "Christians" would be looking for the angle where they could demonize non-white people.
 
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It's just vile and despicable people being vile and despicable people. It was completely predictable that the "pro-life", "values", "Christians" would be looking for the angle where they could demonize CRIMINALS.
FIFY! I thought you leftists learned your lesson in 2016 about "demonizing" every day Americans that work for a living by labeling us "Deplorables?"
 

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“They are sending pallets, pallets of baby formula to the border. Meanwhile, in our own district at home, we cannot find baby formula.”
— Rep. Kat Cammack (R-Fla.), on social media, May 12
“While mothers and fathers stare at empty grocery store shelves in a panic, the Biden administration is happy to provide baby formula to illegal immigrants coming across our southern border. This is yet another one in a long line of reckless, out-of-touch priorities from the Biden administration when it comes to securing our border and protecting Americans.”
Joint statement by Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) and National Border Patrol Council (NBPC) President Brandon Judd, May 12
Cammack sparked a furor Thursday when she posted photos that compared what she said were stockpiles of baby formula for undocumented immigrants with empty grocery shelves for Americans in local stores. “You see the American government sending by the pallet thousands and thousands of containers of baby formula to the border, that would make my blood boil,” she said.
The Texas governor, along with other Republicans, quickly jumped on the bandwagon, issuing a joint statement with a president of a labor union that represents Border Patrol agents.
Cammack said she was not blaming the babies — “it is not the children’s fault at all” — but she and Abbott blasted the Biden administration for allowing this happen.
The problem is that the Biden administration is following the law — a law that President Donald Trump also followed (though he wasn’t happy about it).

The Facts​

At issue is something called the Flores consent decree, which began as a class-action lawsuit regarding the treatment of migrant children. The Justice Department negotiated a settlement in 1997 during President Bill Clinton’s administration.
The Flores settlement requires the federal government to release rather than detain undocumented immigrant children, first to their parents if possible, to other adult relatives if not, and to licensed programs willing to accept custody if no relatives are available. A 2015 judicial ruling then said the Flores settlement covered all children in immigration officials’ custody, regardless of whether they were apprehended crossing the border alone or with family.
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Here’s the relevant section of the settlement, which refers to the now-defunct Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS).
Note the reference to food: “Whenever the INS takes a minor into custody, it shall expeditiously process the minor and shall provide the minor with a notice of rights, including the right to a bond redetermination hearing if applicable. Following arrest, the INS shall hold minors in facilities that are safe and sanitary and that are consistent with the INS’s concern for the particular vulnerability of minors. Facilities will provide access to toilets and sinks, drinking water and food as appropriate, medical assistance if the minor is in need of emergency services, adequate temperature control and ventilation, adequate supervision to protect minors from others, and contact with family members who were arrested with the minor.”
A 2015 Customs and Border Protection (CBP) document laid out national standards for transport, escort, detention and search processes. These standards are derived from the Flores settlement and a 2008 law that codified elements of Flores, the Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act.

Among those standards: “Food must be appropriate for at-risk detainees’ age and capabilities (such as formula and baby food).”
We mentioned that Trump was no fan of Flores. He tried to get rid of it but was blocked by the courts. So he followed the law, too. “We also observed all Border Patrol stations had food, snacks, juice, and infant formula available for children,” said a 2020 Department of Homeland Security Inspector General report on how the administration struggled to manage the 2019 migrant surge.
“CBP takes seriously its legal responsibility to ensure the safety and security of individuals in our custody,” a DHS spokesman said. “Ensuring migrants, including children and infants, in our custody have their basic needs met is in line with this Administration’s commitment to ensuring safe, orderly, and humane processes at our border. CBP complies with all applicable regulations for the purchase of products used in CBP facilities.”
We sought comments from Cammack, Abbott and Judd but did not get responses.

The Pinocchio Test​

This is a ridiculous faux outrage. The shortage of baby formula is a serious issue that the administration is seeking to address. But at the same time, the administration cannot be faulted for following the law and providing baby formula to undocumented immigrants. Anyone who suggests this is the result of specific Biden policies, i.e., his “reckless, out-of-touch priorities,” earns Four Pinocchios.

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FIFY! I thought you leftists learned your lesson in 2016 about "demonizing" every day Americans that work for a living by labeling us "Deplorables?"
What else are you supposed to call people who support deplorable candidates and policies, as does nearly every Republican in the party of Trump.?
 
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It's OK to starve brown or black kids so the white babies can live.

This whole thing is stupid. The reason this is an issue is that there has been so much consolidation of yet another industry and one of those 2 has a processing issue.

You needed to start this completely different rant with....

Whatabout....
God you’re dumb. Make it about race…. You think only white babies are in need of formula? Or maybe you’re just a pathetic douche and had to bring race into it.