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The GOP’s dysfunction all started with Sarah Palin

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When The Post’s front page declares: “Republicans are on the verge of ceasing to function as a national party,” it’s time to ask: How did this come to pass?

You can choose from a litany of insurrections, government shutdowns and other self-inflicted wounds. But this year’s carnival-like GOP presidential primary makes one event, in retrospect, stand out as a crucial turning point on the road to upheaval: the 2008 embrace of then-Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin to be a heartbeat from the presidency.

Palin’s blatant lack of competence and preparedness needs no belaboring. What’s critical is that substantive, serious Republican leaders either wouldn’t or couldn’t declare, before or after the election: “This is not what our party stands for. We can and must do better.”

By the campaign’s end, GOP operatives were shielding Palin from even the simplest questions. (She had flunked “what newspapers do you read?”). Barack Obama cruised to victory.

Former vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin interviewed Republican presidential candidates Donald Trump and Ted Cruz on the conservative-leaning One America News Network Aug. 28. (Reuters)
Palin became a Fox News fixture, reinforcing the newly formed tea party’s “never compromise” demands. Bombast, not reason, reigned. Now the “settle for flash” aura of Palin’s candidacy looks like a warning that the party was prizing glib, red-meat rhetoric over reasoned solutions.

Sadly, Palin owes her fame to 2008 presidential nominee John McCain, who is generally one of the party’s more thoughtful and substantive veterans. He has championed reforms to immigration and campaign finance. He denounced “wacko birds” who stymie Congress to pursue hard-right agendas with no chance of passage. Whether McCain actively sought Palin in 2008 or passively yielded to aides’ pressure, he set a new standard for GOP candidates who rely on lots of sizzle and little substance.

Once McCain put Palin on the ticket, Republican “grown-ups,” who presumably knew better, had to bite their tongues. But after the election, when they were free to speak their minds, they either remained quiet or abetted the dumbing-down of the party. They stood by as Donald Trump and others noisily pushed claims that Obama was born in Kenya. And they gladly rode the tea party tiger to sweeping victories in 2010 and 2014.

Now that tiger is devouring the GOP establishment. Party elders had hoped new presidential debate rules would give them greater control. But they are watching helplessly as Trump leads the pack and House Republicans engage in fratricide.

It’s hard to feel much sympathy. The Republican establishment’s 2008 embrace of Palin set an irresponsibly low bar. Coincidence or not, a batch of nonsense-spewing, hard-right candidates quickly followed, often to disastrous effect.

In Delaware, the utterly unprepared Christine O’Donnell promised “I’m not a witch,” but it didn’t save a Senate seat that popular, centrist Republican representative Mike Castle would have won, had he been the nominee.

In 2012, Missouri Republicans hoped to oust Sen. Claire McCaskill (D). Those hopes died when GOP nominee Todd Akin opined that “the female body” could somehow prevent pregnancy from “a legitimate rape.”

Party leaders aren’t responsible for every candidate’s gaffe. And Republican primary voters, not party honchos, choose nominees. But it’s easy to draw ideological lines from Palin to O’Donnell to Akin and so on to some of the far-from-mainstream presidential contenders of 2012 and today.

Then-Rep. Michele Bachmann (Minn.) was rising fast in Republican presidential polls in July 2011. Pizza company executive Herman Cain led the polls three months later. Does anyone now think Bachmann and Cain had the skills, experience and temperament to be president?

True, the party eventually settled on Mitt Romney. But for months, Americans wondered, “Is this party serious?” Now the Republicans’ leading presidential contenders are Trump — who vows to make Mexico pay for a “great, great wall” on the U.S. side of the border — and Ben Carson, who questions evolution and asks why victims of the latest mass shooting didn’t “attack the gunman.

This isn’t to heap new scorn on Palin. But let’s not diminish the recklessness of those who championed her vice presidential candidacy. It was well known that McCain, 72 at the time of his nomination, had undergone surgery for skin cancer. It wasn’t preposterous to think Palin could become president.

Now Republicans ask Americans to give them full control of the government, adding the presidency to their House and Senate majorities. This comes as Trump and Carson consistently top the GOP polls. Republican leaders brought this on themselves. Trump calls Palin “a special person” he’d like in his Cabinet. That seems only fair, because he’s thriving in the same cynical value system that puts opportunistic soundbites above seriousness, preparedness and intellectual heft.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...d34892-7442-11e5-8248-98e0f5a2e830_story.html
 
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The last few weeks have not gone well for the GOP and what you say seems to bolster the thought that they are a Party in vast disarray. They need another debate to get themselves back in the news.

Rubio's latest stunt is either an attempt to get his name back in the news or an attempt to seize on Jeb's problems.

As others(Walker) have said... the field needs to be thinned VERY soon or the troubles will continue.

This really is a circus atmosphere and not in a good way.
 
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Running for POTUS should not be considered a job. Far too many professional candidates wasting voters time & money.
 
John McCain started the dysfunctional GOP decline when
he ran from President. He was too old to be an energetic
force for change. When McCain picked Palin as his VP,
then you knew he was senile.
 
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Seems to me the fission started to show in 1964 with Barry Goldwater.
 
"I am not a witch!" I had forgotten that piece of modern American conservatism.

That's a well reasoned article, but the gop does keep winning elections by appealing to the crazies, retards and nutbirds. Makes you wonder.


I know LC's did anyway:

When The Post’s front page declares: “Republicans are on the verge of ceasing to function as a national party,” it’s time to ask: How did this come to pass?

You can choose from a litany of insurrections, government shutdowns and other self-inflicted wounds. But this year’s carnival-like GOP presidential primary makes one event, in retrospect, stand out as a crucial turning point on the road to upheaval: the 2008 embrace of then-Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin to be a heartbeat from the presidency.

Palin’s blatant lack of competence and preparedness needs no belaboring. What’s critical is that substantive, serious Republican leaders either wouldn’t or couldn’t declare, before or after the election: “This is not what our party stands for. We can and must do better.”

By the campaign’s end, GOP operatives were shielding Palin from even the simplest questions. (She had flunked “what newspapers do you read?”). Barack Obama cruised to victory.

Former vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin interviewed Republican presidential candidates Donald Trump and Ted Cruz on the conservative-leaning One America News Network Aug. 28. (Reuters)
Palin became a Fox News fixture, reinforcing the newly formed tea party’s “never compromise” demands. Bombast, not reason, reigned. Now the “settle for flash” aura of Palin’s candidacy looks like a warning that the party was prizing glib, red-meat rhetoric over reasoned solutions.

Sadly, Palin owes her fame to 2008 presidential nominee John McCain, who is generally one of the party’s more thoughtful and substantive veterans. He has championed reforms to immigration and campaign finance. He denounced “wacko birds” who stymie Congress to pursue hard-right agendas with no chance of passage. Whether McCain actively sought Palin in 2008 or passively yielded to aides’ pressure, he set a new standard for GOP candidates who rely on lots of sizzle and little substance.

Once McCain put Palin on the ticket, Republican “grown-ups,” who presumably knew better, had to bite their tongues. But after the election, when they were free to speak their minds, they either remained quiet or abetted the dumbing-down of the party. They stood by as Donald Trump and others noisily pushed claims that Obama was born in Kenya. And they gladly rode the tea party tiger to sweeping victories in 2010 and 2014.

Now that tiger is devouring the GOP establishment. Party elders had hoped new presidential debate rules would give them greater control. But they are watching helplessly as Trump leads the pack and House Republicans engage in fratricide.

It’s hard to feel much sympathy. The Republican establishment’s 2008 embrace of Palin set an irresponsibly low bar. Coincidence or not, a batch of nonsense-spewing, hard-right candidates quickly followed, often to disastrous effect.

In Delaware, the utterly unprepared Christine O’Donnell promised “I’m not a witch,” but it didn’t save a Senate seat that popular, centrist Republican representative Mike Castle would have won, had he been the nominee.

In 2012, Missouri Republicans hoped to oust Sen. Claire McCaskill (D). Those hopes died when GOP nominee Todd Akin opined that “the female body” could somehow prevent pregnancy from “a legitimate rape.”

Party leaders aren’t responsible for every candidate’s gaffe. And Republican primary voters, not party honchos, choose nominees. But it’s easy to draw ideological lines from Palin to O’Donnell to Akin and so on to some of the far-from-mainstream presidential contenders of 2012 and today.

Then-Rep. Michele Bachmann (Minn.) was rising fast in Republican presidential polls in July 2011. Pizza company executive Herman Cain led the polls three months later. Does anyone now think Bachmann and Cain had the skills, experience and temperament to be president?

True, the party eventually settled on Mitt Romney. But for months, Americans wondered, “Is this party serious?” Now the Republicans’ leading presidential contenders are Trump — who vows to make Mexico pay for a “great, great wall” on the U.S. side of the border — and Ben Carson, who questions evolution and asks why victims of the latest mass shooting didn’t “attack the gunman.

This isn’t to heap new scorn on Palin. But let’s not diminish the recklessness of those who championed her vice presidential candidacy. It was well known that McCain, 72 at the time of his nomination, had undergone surgery for skin cancer. It wasn’t preposterous to think Palin could become president.

Now Republicans ask Americans to give them full control of the government, adding the presidency to their House and Senate majorities. This comes as Trump and Carson consistently top the GOP polls. Republican leaders brought this on themselves. Trump calls Palin “a special person” he’d like in his Cabinet. That seems only fair, because he’s thriving in the same cynical value system that puts opportunistic soundbites above seriousness, preparedness and intellectual heft.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...d34892-7442-11e5-8248-98e0f5a2e830_story.html
 
Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton are the two Democrat choices. An avowed socialist and one of the most sleazy political figures of the last 25 yrs. My point isn't that the gop isn't off the rails but come on, it's not like the D's are D's are bursting at the seams with strong leaders.
 
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John McCain started the dysfunctional GOP decline when
he ran from President. He was too old to be an energetic
force for change. When McCain picked Palin as his VP,
then you knew he was senile.
I'm not convinced it was his decision to pick Silly Sarah. I believe his handlers thought they could draw the females from the Dems who felt unhappy that BHO was the nominee. She was obviously a terrible choice. I think our most loyal GOP on this site would agree.
 
I don't mind soaking the rich.
quote-when-asked-why-he-robbed-banks-because-that-s-where-the-money-is-willie-sutton-310918.jpg
 
I think Sarah Palin effectively killed McCain's chances in '08 but I'm not entirely convinced that she lead to the troubles the GOP is currently having.

Personally I think a lot of it has to do with the Bush recession which lead to a lot of people out of work or making a lot less money. Many people had to for a time accept government help.

When you are the party known for calling people who take government help lazy then you lose a lot of voters when a bunch of those people have to go on government help or come to a point where they come close to needing government help.

It's about money and the recession changed a lot of people's thoughts on government assistance programs. For a lot of them it was those other people who where lazy and didn't want to work bringing the country down. . . but then it happened to them and they re-thought their views on the whole thing.

I would be remiss in pointing out that I think it's perhaps too early to pretend that the Republicans are not a significant force in national politics. They control the House.

Back when Bush was president, especially after he won re-election and maintained majorities in the House and Senate, Republicans where all to quick to declare ultimate victory over the Democrats and claim that they where no longer a national force in politics. That was obviously rather foolish in hindsight. I think there is a good chance that Democrats declaring ultimate victory over Republicans is foolish now. Even if the Dems take back majorities in the House and Senate and win the WH, it would still be foolish.
 
Goldwater was against many of the things the religious right stands for today. In today's Republican party Barry Goldwater would be considered a RINO.
I'm not sure he'd be a RINO. He'd be the only real Republic-an. Republic being the root word. Ron Paul, Robert Taft, even Ronald Reagan in 1976 were Republicans. Reagan sold-out, like most politicians do. Ron Paul changed parties to maintain his integrity and came back to the GOP to go back to Congress again. There are no "Republicans" anymore. It's just a bunch of religious cultists who are waiting for the chance to bomb Muslims and prohibit gays from marrying and women from having legal abortions.
 
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I know LC's did anyway:

When The Post’s front page declares: “Republicans are on the verge of ceasing to function as a national party,” it’s time to ask: How did this come to pass?

You can choose from a litany of insurrections, government shutdowns and other self-inflicted wounds. But this year’s carnival-like GOP presidential primary makes one event, in retrospect, stand out as a crucial turning point on the road to upheaval: the 2008 embrace of then-Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin to be a heartbeat from the presidency.

Palin’s blatant lack of competence and preparedness needs no belaboring. What’s critical is that substantive, serious Republican leaders either wouldn’t or couldn’t declare, before or after the election: “This is not what our party stands for. We can and must do better.”

By the campaign’s end, GOP operatives were shielding Palin from even the simplest questions. (She had flunked “what newspapers do you read?”). Barack Obama cruised to victory.

Former vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin interviewed Republican presidential candidates Donald Trump and Ted Cruz on the conservative-leaning One America News Network Aug. 28. (Reuters)
Palin became a Fox News fixture, reinforcing the newly formed tea party’s “never compromise” demands. Bombast, not reason, reigned. Now the “settle for flash” aura of Palin’s candidacy looks like a warning that the party was prizing glib, red-meat rhetoric over reasoned solutions.

Sadly, Palin owes her fame to 2008 presidential nominee John McCain, who is generally one of the party’s more thoughtful and substantive veterans. He has championed reforms to immigration and campaign finance. He denounced “wacko birds” who stymie Congress to pursue hard-right agendas with no chance of passage. Whether McCain actively sought Palin in 2008 or passively yielded to aides’ pressure, he set a new standard for GOP candidates who rely on lots of sizzle and little substance.

Once McCain put Palin on the ticket, Republican “grown-ups,” who presumably knew better, had to bite their tongues. But after the election, when they were free to speak their minds, they either remained quiet or abetted the dumbing-down of the party. They stood by as Donald Trump and others noisily pushed claims that Obama was born in Kenya. And they gladly rode the tea party tiger to sweeping victories in 2010 and 2014.

Now that tiger is devouring the GOP establishment. Party elders had hoped new presidential debate rules would give them greater control. But they are watching helplessly as Trump leads the pack and House Republicans engage in fratricide.

It’s hard to feel much sympathy. The Republican establishment’s 2008 embrace of Palin set an irresponsibly low bar. Coincidence or not, a batch of nonsense-spewing, hard-right candidates quickly followed, often to disastrous effect.

In Delaware, the utterly unprepared Christine O’Donnell promised “I’m not a witch,” but it didn’t save a Senate seat that popular, centrist Republican representative Mike Castle would have won, had he been the nominee.

In 2012, Missouri Republicans hoped to oust Sen. Claire McCaskill (D). Those hopes died when GOP nominee Todd Akin opined that “the female body” could somehow prevent pregnancy from “a legitimate rape.”

Party leaders aren’t responsible for every candidate’s gaffe. And Republican primary voters, not party honchos, choose nominees. But it’s easy to draw ideological lines from Palin to O’Donnell to Akin and so on to some of the far-from-mainstream presidential contenders of 2012 and today.

Then-Rep. Michele Bachmann (Minn.) was rising fast in Republican presidential polls in July 2011. Pizza company executive Herman Cain led the polls three months later. Does anyone now think Bachmann and Cain had the skills, experience and temperament to be president?

True, the party eventually settled on Mitt Romney. But for months, Americans wondered, “Is this party serious?” Now the Republicans’ leading presidential contenders are Trump — who vows to make Mexico pay for a “great, great wall” on the U.S. side of the border — and Ben Carson, who questions evolution and asks why victims of the latest mass shooting didn’t “attack the gunman.

This isn’t to heap new scorn on Palin. But let’s not diminish the recklessness of those who championed her vice presidential candidacy. It was well known that McCain, 72 at the time of his nomination, had undergone surgery for skin cancer. It wasn’t preposterous to think Palin could become president.

Now Republicans ask Americans to give them full control of the government, adding the presidency to their House and Senate majorities. This comes as Trump and Carson consistently top the GOP polls. Republican leaders brought this on themselves. Trump calls Palin “a special person” he’d like in his Cabinet. That seems only fair, because he’s thriving in the same cynical value system that puts opportunistic soundbites above seriousness, preparedness and intellectual heft.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...d34892-7442-11e5-8248-98e0f5a2e830_story.html
I agree. I lost a ton of respect for them when she came along.
 
Newt Gingrich deserves a mention as the architect of the first shutdown. His contract for America was a blueprint for the tea party.

Agree. He also discouraged members of the Republican caucus from interacting with Democrats across the aisle and encouraged them not to move their families to the DC area so there would be fewer chances for socializing and actually getting acquainted with Democrats and perhaps, God forbid, making friendships.
 
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I think Sarah Palin effectively killed McCain's chances in '08 but I'm not entirely convinced that she lead to the troubles the GOP is currently having.

Personally I think a lot of it has to do with the Bush recession which lead to a lot of people out of work or making a lot less money. Many people had to for a time accept government help.

When you are the party known for calling people who take government help lazy then you lose a lot of voters when a bunch of those people have to go on government help or come to a point where they come close to needing government help.

It's about money and the recession changed a lot of people's thoughts on government assistance programs. For a lot of them it was those other people who where lazy and didn't want to work bringing the country down. . . but then it happened to them and they re-thought their views on the whole thing.

I would be remiss in pointing out that I think it's perhaps too early to pretend that the Republicans are not a significant force in national politics. They control the House.

Back when Bush was president, especially after he won re-election and maintained majorities in the House and Senate, Republicans where all to quick to declare ultimate victory over the Democrats and claim that they where no longer a national force in politics. That was obviously rather foolish in hindsight. I think there is a good chance that Democrats declaring ultimate victory over Republicans is foolish now. Even if the Dems take back majorities in the House and Senate and win the WH, it would still be foolish.
 
All good points, Hoosier. My only disagreement would be your scenario where the Dems take back the House. That won't happen unless we get a real lopsided matchup for the WH. Not this cycle. I read where the State of Texas has nearly a 10% total of House seats. As red as Texas is... that's a pretty large obstacle for the Dems to overcome.
I think the comfort that the GOP in the House has explains the extreme positions that they take knowing their constituents will vote them back regardless how wrong they might be.
As an example... in Iowa, you only need to look at Steve King and how he still has a job.
 
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Which hits one of the real problems we have in our political process, gerrymandering.

As long as many districts are set up so there is no real competition between the parties than we will have this stalemate in congress. If our representatives were forced to play to the middle of the road voter rather than each extreme we would find much more compromise and a less harsh tone in our political process..
 
I think Karl Rove and that guy that was really into redistricting . . . the one who saw a "permanent majority" for R's that's in prison now ... shit . . . can't think of his name, were pretty effective at creating divisiveness and aggressive neocon philosophy. These were guys that weren't religious, but knew how to get them in step.

Regardless, it's my opinion that if you don't want anything to get done vote R, if you want things to get done wrong vote D.
 
The worst thing for me about the GOP disintegration as a viable alternative...It has allowed the Democrats to become more lax and more left. The Democratic Party (the one I claim) IS the Party of the average American and a friend to the American worker. It (the Democratic Party) isn't what I would like it to be b ut it is a damn sight closer to where I am than where the GOP of today is located.
If I walked into a restaurant and saw Terry Branstad, Chuck Brassley, Joni Ernst and David Young having lunch....I would go somewhere else to eat. These folks just have nothing in common with me. I have no representation at the national level.
 
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