The Mediocrity Through The Years Of Purdue

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Analyzing Purdue it's very clear they have been a long-time "also ran" (putting it mildly in the Big 10).

Look at the recent Purdue history:

OVERALL:

- One time they have won 8 or more games in the past 14 years (that was last year when they won 9)

-3 times in last 14 years they have even won 7 or more (2011, 2017, 2021)

-As mentioned, Purdue reached their high-water mark in wins of 9 last year. Last time before that they won 9 games was in 2003.

-Purdue's only 10-win season was in 1979 (for those of you counting, that's 43 years ago)

CONFERENCE PLAY:

-Purdue has had a winning record only 3 times since 2004

-Purdue's best record since 2001 was last year when going 6-3 in the league. Before that since 2001, best conference record was 5-3 in 2006

**This is why being only 7-6 vs them in last 13 meetings sucks. Hell we are just 1-4 vs. them in last 5 meetings. This is against a completely mediocre program.
 
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Analyzing Purdue it's very clear they have been a long-time "also ran" (putting it mildly in the Big 10).

Look at the recent Purdue history:

OVERALL:

- One time they have won 8 or more games in the past 14 years (that was last year when they won 9)

-3 times in last 14 years they have even won 7 or more (2011, 2017, 2021)

-As mentioned, Purdue reached their high-water mark in wins of 9 last year. Last time before that they won 9 games was in 2003.

-Purdue's only 10-win season was in 1979 (for those of you counting, that's 43 years ago)

CONFERENCE PLAY:

-Purdue has had a winning record only 3 times since 2004

-Purdue's best record since 2001 was last year when going 6-3 in the league. Before that since 2001, best conference record was 5-3 in 2006

**This is why being only 7-6 vs them in last 13 meetings sucks. Hell we are just 1-4 vs. them in last 5 meetings. This is against a completely mediocre program.
It also sucks because they've taken the mantle from Northwestern as that team that sells out to beat Iowa each year, and they've perhaps taken it a step further even given their coaching staff, the negative recruiting, getting Charlie Jones and Tyrone Tracy, deliberately (but subtly) touting themselves as the anti-Iowa, and of course them being stopped not once, but twice from trying to plant their flag on our field last year........only for them to end up doing it anyway before they left the field.

That all goes back to the coaches, who have targeted Iowa for whatever reason, to the point where if this were a business you could probably get them brought up on harassment charges (I say that tongue in cheek obviously, but that's pretty much what this feels like when it comes to how Purdue views and treats Iowa).



And that's why I say f*** Purdue, and that it will be absolutely inexcusable for Iowa and their entire coaching staff, including Phil Parker, to lose tomorrow.

Losing to Purdue tomorrow is, yes, a fireable offense, regardless of what anyone thinks of that fact. Enjoy tomorrow's game!! :D
 

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Tomorrow will decide how much this season is going to stink. Win, and the season might be salvageable. Lose, and it might be 4 - 8. This is another one of those measuring sticks where Ferentz doesn't measure up. 11 - 8 vs Purdue. Fry, 12 - 5 vs Purdue. Ferentz, 11 - 11 vs Northwestern. Fry, 17 - 3 vs Northwestern. Ferentz, 13 - 10 vs Iowa State. Fry, 16 - 4 vs Iowa State. Ferentz, 9 - 13 vs Wisconsin. Fry, 15 -2 vs Wisconsin.
 
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Tomorrow will decide how much this season is going to stink. Win, and the season might be salvageable. Lose, and it might be 4 - 8. This is another one of those measuring sticks where Ferentz doesn't measure up. 11 - 8 vs Purdue. Fry, 12 - 5 vs Purdue. Ferentz, 11 - 11 vs Northwestern. Fry, 17 - 3 vs Northwestern. Ferentz, 13 - 10 vs Iowa State. Fry, 16 - 4 vs Iowa State. Ferentz, 9 - 13 vs Wisconsin. Fry, 15 -2 vs Wisconsin.
You had a nice little rant going until you went off the rails at the end.

Teams are slightly different (albeit just ever so slightly) in the '00s, '10s, and '20s, than they were in the '80s and '90s.......................just sayin.
 

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Tomorrow will decide how much this season is going to stink. Win, and the season might be salvageable. Lose, and it might be 4 - 8. This is another one of those measuring sticks where Ferentz doesn't measure up. 11 - 8 vs Purdue. Fry, 12 - 5 vs Purdue. Ferentz, 11 - 11 vs Northwestern. Fry, 17 - 3 vs Northwestern. Ferentz, 13 - 10 vs Iowa State. Fry, 16 - 4 vs Iowa State. Ferentz, 9 - 13 vs Wisconsin. Fry, 15 -2 vs Wisconsin.
Much more parity (below the top 6 to 8 teams) now than was back in the 1980s.
 

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Analyzing Purdue it's very clear they have been a long-time "also ran" (putting it mildly in the Big 10).

Look at the recent Purdue history:

OVERALL:

- One time they have won 8 or more games in the past 14 years (that was last year when they won 9)

-3 times in last 14 years they have even won 7 or more (2011, 2017, 2021)

-As mentioned, Purdue reached their high-water mark in wins of 9 last year. Last time before that they won 9 games was in 2003.

-Purdue's only 10-win season was in 1979 (for those of you counting, that's 43 years ago)

CONFERENCE PLAY:

-Purdue has had a winning record only 3 times since 2004

-Purdue's best record since 2001 was last year when going 6-3 in the league. Before that since 2001, best conference record was 5-3 in 2006

**This is why being only 7-6 vs them in last 13 meetings sucks. Hell we are just 1-4 vs. them in last 5 meetings. This is against a coampletely mediocre program.
Should never had 7 wins in 2017. Hawks absolutely sucked against Purdue helping them to 6 regular season wins. Purdue then won their bowl game.
 
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It also sucks because they've taken the mantle from Northwestern as that team that sells out to beat Iowa each year, and they've perhaps taken it a step further even given their coaching staff, the negative recruiting, getting Charlie Jones and Tyrone Tracy, deliberately (but subtly) touting themselves as the anti-Iowa, and of course them being stopped not once, but twice from trying to plant their flag on our field last year........only for them to end up doing it anyway before they left the field.

That all goes back to the coaches, who have targeted Iowa for whatever reason, to the point where if this were a business you could probably get them brought up on harassment charges (I say that tongue in cheek obviously, but that's pretty much what this feels like when it comes to how Purdue views and treats Iowa).



And that's why I say f*** Purdue, and that it will be absolutely inexcusable for Iowa and their entire coaching staff, including Phil Parker, to lose tomorrow.

Losing to Purdue tomorrow is, yes, a fireable offense, regardless of what anyone thinks of that fact. Enjoy tomorrow's game!! :D

D. Hazell was a bad coach. They have had a series of below avg coaches but Iowa has lost a lot of close games to Purdue during Kirk's time, and won a lot of close games. I think a lot of that is Kirk's conservative nature which lets Purdue stay in games or keep that slight lead.

Purdue usually has a decent passing game which can sometimes wreak havoc against Iowa.

Will Brohm really get them over the hump consistently? I am not sure as it is his 5th or 6th year and he still makes some weird coaching decisions and his team can be somewhat undisciplined.

For decades they were the school to play for if you were a top QB.
 

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Tomorrow will decide how much this season is going to stink. Win, and the season might be salvageable. Lose, and it might be 4 - 8. This is another one of those measuring sticks where Ferentz doesn't measure up. 11 - 8 vs Purdue. Fry, 12 - 5 vs Purdue. Ferentz, 11 - 11 vs Northwestern. Fry, 17 - 3 vs Northwestern. Ferentz, 13 - 10 vs Iowa State. Fry, 16 - 4 vs Iowa State. Ferentz, 9 - 13 vs Wisconsin. Fry, 15 -2 vs Wisconsin.
Those are horrible ways to measure Fry vs. Ferentz. Northwestern, even the last 2 years, is worlds better than the Northwestern of the 1980s. ISU was literally one of the worst programs in the country until Dan McCarney took over and Wisconsin was nothing until Barry Alvarez left Fry’s staff and catapulted them to the top of the Big 10 for years.
 

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Analyzing Purdue it's very clear they have been a long-time "also ran" (putting it mildly in the Big 10).

Look at the recent Purdue history:

OVERALL:

- One time they have won 8 or more games in the past 14 years (that was last year when they won 9)

-3 times in last 14 years they have even won 7 or more (2011, 2017, 2021)

-As mentioned, Purdue reached their high-water mark in wins of 9 last year. Last time before that they won 9 games was in 2003.

-Purdue's only 10-win season was in 1979 (for those of you counting, that's 43 years ago)

CONFERENCE PLAY:

-Purdue has had a winning record only 3 times since 2004

-Purdue's best record since 2001 was last year when going 6-3 in the league. Before that since 2001, best conference record was 5-3 in 2006

**This is why being only 7-6 vs them in last 13 meetings sucks. Hell we are just 1-4 vs. them in last 5 meetings. This is against a completely mediocre program.
Does winning 10 games in a year really mean anything when you get smoked in the games that actually account for something?
 

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Tomorrow will decide how much this season is going to stink. Win, and the season might be salvageable. Lose, and it might be 4 - 8. This is another one of those measuring sticks where Ferentz doesn't measure up. 11 - 8 vs Purdue. Fry, 12 - 5 vs Purdue. Ferentz, 11 - 11 vs Northwestern. Fry, 17 - 3 vs Northwestern. Ferentz, 13 - 10 vs Iowa State. Fry, 16 - 4 vs Iowa State. Ferentz, 9 - 13 vs Wisconsin. Fry, 15 -2 vs Wisconsin.
Ferentz has a better record then Fry against Minnesota, Michigan, Penn State, Illinois, and Nebraska.

Obviously this is not close to an apples to apples comparison as Illinois and Michigan were significantly better in the 80s, and Penn State and Nebraska are not traditional big ten members. Bottom line comparing Ferentz and Fry by head to head records against opponents is a silly way to compare the coaches.
 

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Ferentz has a better record then Fry against Minnesota, Michigan, Penn State, Illinois, and Nebraska.

Obviously this is not close to an apples to apples comparison as Illinois and Michigan were significantly better in the 80s, and Penn State and Nebraska are not traditional big ten members. Bottom line comparing Ferentz and Fry by head to head records against opponents is a silly way to compare the coaches.
Based off your first paragraph, I was expecting something really stupid. Lol.

Good post. The eras are completely different. In 1985, the current Iowa offense might be deemed a little too sexy.
 

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Does winning 10 games in a year really mean anything when you get smoked in the games that actually account for something?
All games account for something. Well, not those games that the SEC plays against FCS schools in Week 12.
 

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In looking at the Iowa-Purdue series through the years, many may not realize that Purdue beat Iowa 20 consecutive times between 1961 and 1980. Hayden and Iowa finally snapped that streak in the magical 1981 season by winning 33-7 in Iowa City.

Iowa is 23-12 against Purdue since the streak got snapped in 1981.
 
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Does winning 10 games in a year really mean anything when you get smoked in the games that actually account for something?
Damn yes it does. Winning 10 in a college season is something pretty amazing when you think of it-- regardless of any big losses during the year or even who the opponents are. That's not an easy feat.
 
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Will Brohm really get them over the hump consistently? I am not sure as it is his 5th or 6th year and he still makes some weird coaching decisions and his team can be somewhat undisciplined.
So far Brohm has done nothing better than tread water at Purdue. They pay him A LOT of money for being mediocre there.

Brohm is now 33-32 at Purdue overall and 23-24 in the B1G in what is now his 6th year at Purdue. You be the judge. That's mediocre and treading water in my opinion.

I see nothing there to tell me suddenly that program gets loads better with him at the helm.
 
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It also sucks because they've taken the mantle from Northwestern as that team that sells out to beat Iowa each year, and they've perhaps taken it a step further even given their coaching staff, the negative recruiting, getting Charlie Jones and Tyrone Tracy, deliberately (but subtly) touting themselves as the anti-Iowa, and of course them being stopped not once, but twice from trying to plant their flag on our field last year........only for them to end up doing it anyway before they left the field.

That all goes back to the coaches, who have targeted Iowa for whatever reason, to the point where if this were a business you could probably get them brought up on harassment charges (I say that tongue in cheek obviously, but that's pretty much what this feels like when it comes to how Purdue views and treats Iowa).



And that's why I say f*** Purdue, and that it will be absolutely inexcusable for Iowa and their entire coaching staff, including Phil Parker, to lose tomorrow.

Losing to Purdue tomorrow is, yes, a fireable offense, regardless of what anyone thinks of that fact. Enjoy tomorrow's game!! :D
Regardless of any of the things you've said, they have had their way with us in recent years. Instead of getting all pissy towards them I get that way towards Iowa's staff for being dominated year over year by a very inferior program.

You think Iowa State doesn't throw the kitchen sink at us every year when we play them? They do and Ferentz has dominated Matt Campbell. But he's been dominated instead by Brohm-- really pathetic when you look at how mediocre Brohm has been overall in his time at Purdue. For cripes sakes, Brohm has a losing record in conference play since being at Purdue yet he's 4-1 against Ferentz.
 

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So far Brohm has done nothing better than tread water at Purdue. They pay him A LOT of money for being mediocre there.

Brohm is now 33-32 at Purdue overall and 23-24 in the B1G in what is now his 6th year at Purdue. You be the judge. That's mediocre and treading water in my opinion.

I see nothing there to tell me suddenly that program gets loads better with him at the helm.

I agree with you up to a point. His team is trending up and if they win out they probably get the Big West title and maybe 9 to 10 wins, without looking at their record right now.

He took over a program that was in disarray and back to back above avg seasons is really good at Purdue.

But he loses a really good QB after this year so we will have to wait to see if he can maintain his gains.

If Purdue falters coming down the stretch, eg if Iowa beats them today and they lose to Illinois and another game, then this is a very disappointing season at Purdue.

Sort of like 2016 for Iowa not maintaining momentum.
 

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Analyzing Purdue it's very clear they have been a long-time "also ran" (putting it mildly in the Big 10).

Look at the recent Purdue history:

OVERALL:

- One time they have won 8 or more games in the past 14 years (that was last year when they won 9)

-3 times in last 14 years they have even won 7 or more (2011, 2017, 2021)

-As mentioned, Purdue reached their high-water mark in wins of 9 last year. Last time before that they won 9 games was in 2003.

-Purdue's only 10-win season was in 1979 (for those of you counting, that's 43 years ago)

CONFERENCE PLAY:

-Purdue has had a winning record only 3 times since 2004

-Purdue's best record since 2001 was last year when going 6-3 in the league. Before that since 2001, best conference record was 5-3 in 2006

**This is why being only 7-6 vs them in last 13 meetings sucks. Hell we are just 1-4 vs. them in last 5 meetings. This is against a completely mediocre program.
Purdue never seems to have issues recruiting offensive skill talent. QBs and WRs.. But rarely fielding decent defensive teams. They had that monster Dee End that really wreaked havoc last year. But I don't remember any other great dee players for them.
 
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I agree with you up to a point. His team is trending up and if they win out they probably get the Big West title and maybe 9 to 10 wins, without looking at their record right now.

He took over a program that was in disarray and back to back above avg seasons is really good at Purdue.

But he loses a really good QB after this year so we will have to wait to see if he can maintain his gains.

If Purdue falters coming down the stretch, eg if Iowa beats them today and they lose to Illinois and another game, then this is a very disappointing season at Purdue.

Sort of like 2016 for Iowa not maintaining momentum.
Well, he did win 9 this year and has chance to win 9 in the regular season this year too at this point if they run the table the rest of the year.

All things considered though, I just don't see Brohm as one of the better coaches in the league (against Iowa he seems to be though).

Keep your eye on Louisville as there's a chance they could move on from Scott Satterfield after this year. He's been nothing better than a .500 coach in his 4 years at Louisville in a very weak conference. Brohm is a Louisville alum and they went after him the last time that job was open but he turned it down and signed a big contract at Purdue. If Purdue finishes very blah this year, and Louisville fires Satterfield at season's end, and Louisville makes another run at Brohm, this time maybe Purdue won't be so adamant about keeping him.
 

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I agree with you up to a point. His team is trending up and if they win out they probably get the Big West title and maybe 9 to 10 wins, without looking at their record right now.

He took over a program that was in disarray and back to back above avg seasons is really good at Purdue.

But he loses a really good QB after this year so we will have to wait to see if he can maintain his gains.

If Purdue falters coming down the stretch, eg if Iowa beats them today and they lose to Illinois and another game, then this is a very disappointing season at Purdue.

Sort of like 2016 for Iowa not maintaining momentum.
Regularly beating Iowa to pad that record.
 
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The best thing that ever happened to Iowa football was Bump Elliott. The best thing Bump ever did for iowa football was hire not just one good coach, but two good coaches back to back. That has given Iowa 40 years of competitive and mostly winning football. Forty years ago Iowa fans had witnessed 20 consecutive losses to Purdue. Football is cyclical. Live long enough and you will see many peaks and valleys. think Brohm is medicore?
the guy he replaced was 9-39. Purdue plays to sellout crowds for most home games. Who do you think has the most wins over Ohio State in this century? Try Purdue with 5 wins since 2000.
 

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The best thing that ever happened to Iowa football was Bump Elliott. The best thing Bump ever did for iowa football was hire not just one good coach, but two good coaches back to back. That has given Iowa 40 years of competitive and mostly winning football. Forty years ago Iowa fans had witnessed 20 consecutive losses to Purdue. Football is cyclical. Live long enough and you will see many peaks and valleys. think Brohm is medicore?
the guy he replaced was 9-39. Purdue plays to sellout crowds for most home games. Who do you think has the most wins over Ohio State in this century? Try Purdue with 5 wins since 2000.
What back-to-back good football coaches did Bump hire? Bob Bowlsby hired Ferentz-- not Bump.

However, Bump is responsible for the hires of the legendary coaches Hayden Fry, Lute Olson, and Dan Gable. Bump flopped with Dick Schultz in basketball and Bob Commings in football but Fry, Olson, and Gable more than made up for those disaster hires.
 

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This weather favors the team that's willing to throw the ball into an open area and let the WR go get it.
That's not us. Charlie might have a field day.
 
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Analyzing Purdue it's very clear they have been a long-time "also ran" (putting it mildly in the Big 10).

Look at the recent Purdue history:

OVERALL:

- One time they have won 8 or more games in the past 14 years (that was last year when they won 9)

-3 times in last 14 years they have even won 7 or more (2011, 2017, 2021)

-As mentioned, Purdue reached their high-water mark in wins of 9 last year. Last time before that they won 9 games was in 2003.

-Purdue's only 10-win season was in 1979 (for those of you counting, that's 43 years ago)

CONFERENCE PLAY:

-Purdue has had a winning record only 3 times since 2004

-Purdue's best record since 2001 was last year when going 6-3 in the league. Before that since 2001, best conference record was 5-3 in 2006

**This is why being only 7-6 vs them in last 13 meetings sucks. Hell we are just 1-4 vs. them in last 5 meetings. This is against a completely mediocre program.

Coaching
 

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Tomorrow will decide how much this season is going to stink. Win, and the season might be salvageable. Lose, and it might be 4 - 8. This is another one of those measuring sticks where Ferentz doesn't measure up. 11 - 8 vs Purdue. Fry, 12 - 5 vs Purdue. Ferentz, 11 - 11 vs Northwestern. Fry, 17 - 3 vs Northwestern. Ferentz, 13 - 10 vs Iowa State. Fry, 16 - 4 vs Iowa State. Ferentz, 9 - 13 vs Wisconsin. Fry, 15 -2 vs Wisconsin.
Haha, wow. You spent a lot of time looking up something that’s less than meaningless.

LOL. You actually thought this proved something.
 

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Those are horrible ways to measure Fry vs. Ferentz. Northwestern, even the last 2 years, is worlds better than the Northwestern of the 1980s. ISU was literally one of the worst programs in the country until Dan McCarney took over and Wisconsin was nothing until Barry Alvarez left Fry’s staff and catapulted them to the top of the Big 10 for years.

Haha, wow. You spent a lot of time looking up something that’s less than meaningless.

LOL. You actually thought this proved something.
ooooh, big tough former football jock is back. Go fluff your sugar daddy you p.o.s.
 
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