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The Muslim Islamaphobes that agree with Dr. Ben Carson

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He spoke nothing but the truth, but yet, you crucify him because you now label him as a "bigot". I guess Muslims worldwide are bigots as well.

http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-muslim-islamophobes-who-agree-with-ben-carson/


By now it’s clear: even fellow Republican candidates Ted Cruz and Lindsey Graham have piled on, the mainstream media is in an uproar, the Hamas-linked Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) is demanding he drop out of the race, and the only people who agree with Ben Carson’s statements about a Muslim president, Sharia, and the Constitution are racist, bigoted Islamophobes.
“I do not believe Sharia is consistent with the Constitution of this country,” said Carson, and hatemongers everywhere applauded.
The Islamophobes even piled on with hateful statements of their own:
Let’s face the grim truth … There is no evidence whatever that Islam in its various political forms is compatible with modern democracy. From Afghanistan under the Taliban to Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, and from Iran to Sudan, there is no Islamist entity that can be said to be democratic, just, or a practitioner of good governance.
Oh, the Islamophobia! Ibrahim Hooper and Nihad Awad of CAIR are no doubt gearing up for another press conference to denounce that one, but they’re coming so thick and fast that those guardians of the Constitution may not be able to keep up.
Here’s another:
The first basic difference between the political system endorsed by Islam and democracy is that in democracy, the ultimate authority lies with the people. In Islam, however, the ultimate authority doesn’t belong to people; it belongs to God alone. That means that both the ruler and the ruled in Islam are subject to a higher criterion for decision-making, that is, divine guidance.
That would mean that the Constitution would have to give way to Sharia wherever the two conflict, as another Islamophobe makes clear when he says:
Democracy runs counter to Islam on several issues. … In democracy, legislation is the prerogative of the people. It is the people who draw up the constitution, and they have the authority to amend it as well. On this issue we differ.
Supposedly, in Islamic thought only Allah legislates. There is no shortage of Islamophobes who spew this hate.
Another howled that in Islam, “democracy, freedom, and human rights have no place.”
Still another yelped that in Islam, “democracy is evil, the parliament is evil and legislation is evil.”
One Islamophobe went Carson one better, saying not only that a Muslim should not be president, but that Muslims shouldn’t even participate in elections. He had the audacity to claim that “electing a president or another form of leadership or council members is prohibited in Islam.”
These Islamophobes have even tried to convince people that because Islam is a “comprehensive system of governance,” many Muslims reject democracy as “a system whereby man violates the right of Allah and decides what is permissible or impermissible for mankind, based solely on their whims and desires.”
One complained that some Muslims even assert that they can only participate in politics in Western societies “on Islam’s terms.”

These must be the kind of Islamophobic statements Carson was reading when he formulated his hateful, bigoted opinions. Shameful.
So who said the awful statements above? Pamela Geller? Geert Wilders? Some other hatemongering profiteer whom all decent people must shun?
Oh.
In order, the authors of the Islamophobic statements I quote above are:
Carson’s detractors would no doubt dismiss all these Muslims as “extremists.” All they have to do to make their case, after all, is point to all the thriving Constitutional republics that have Muslim majorities and guarantee freedom of speech, equal rights for women and non-Muslims, and other aspects of traditional Islamic law that Islamophobes claim contradict the Constitution.
Hmm.
In reality, there is not a single country to which they can point. There is no democratic tradition in the Islamic world. There is no history of secular republics, no concept of the equality of all people before the law.
People often invoke Turkey as an example of how Islam and democracy are fully compatible. In reality, the secular Turkish republic was established in an atmosphere of war with Islam, with explicit restrictions placed upon political Islam that were considered necessary so as to rein in its authoritarian, supremacist, anti-democratic tendencies. Now, the Erdogan regime is reasserting Islam’s political aspects. Turkish secularism has been severely weakened, and may not be long for this world.
The absence of Constitutional republics in the Islamic world is no accident. It comes from: Islam’s sharp dichotomy between believers and unbelievers, retarding the development of the principle of equality of rights for all; its blasphemy laws, which hinder the freedom of speech and intellectual development; and its vision of Allah as a solitary and all-powerful despot whose will is absolute — hardly an ideal model upon which to build the idea of parliamentary give-and-take in order to discover the truth or determine the best path.
In Islam, Allah alone reveals the truth and marks out the straight path: Islam
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“We are a different kind of nation,” Ben Carson said as the controversy raged over his remarks. “Part of why we rose so quickly is because we wouldn’t allow our values or principles to be supplanted because we were going to be politically correct. … Part of the problem today is that we’re so busy trying to be politically correct, that we lose all perspective.”
Indeed. Lost in the Carson firestorm is the question of whether or not he was right about Islam and Sharia. He was.
Whatever becomes of his presidential ambitions, Americans owe him a debt of gratitude for, even for a brief period, breaking through the media fog of obfuscation about Islam and allowing for some honest discussion of these all-important matters. Even as he stands on the firing line, that may be the most valuable service this good man performs for his country.
 
As I told another Carson defender, if you want to meet Muslims who are perfectly at ease in a democracy, there are millions of them right here in the good ole USA. Introduce yourself to a few of them. Your author's rant isn't worth the bandwidth it consumed.
 
Joe Scarborough went off on candidates like Carson who might cost the Republicans the White House in 2016. He was practically screaming. He called the field out and someone needed some "balls", to stand up and be sane.
He's on MSNBC right now repeating his comments with a little less volume. Scarborough understands that the Republican party cannot get whiter and older and prosper.
 
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I have a feeling that Lindsay Graham doesn't know a single Muslim on a personal basis. I'm sure Ben Carson doesn't either. If they actually KNEW them, they wouldn't single-out their religion as being some defect in their character.

There are quite a number of Muslims in the world that are destructive, violent, kill-first types. But, those are a teeny-tiny minority. That doesn't make all other Muslims as radical as that small minority. In fact, it doesn't make them radical at all. Islam is a religion of Peace, just like every other major religion known to mankind! If religious people would stop looking at it like they're competing for "God's Favorite Religious Club" Trophy, the world would be a lot more peaceful. God accepts all of you. God's not Islamic, or Christian (Catholic, Baptist, Presbyterian, Methodist, etc.), or Jewish, or Hindu, or Buddhist, or Shintoist, of Taoist, or Mormon.
 
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Carson should be asked what groups he'd preclude from having a candidate for the White House. I can't imagine it's only Muslims he wants to trod over the Constitution for. How about Mitt Romney and those dastardly Mormons? They wear those funny undershorts and all. That's not consistent with the Constitution.
 
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I have a feeling that Lindsay Graham doesn't know a single Muslim on a personal basis. I'm sure Ben Carson doesn't either. If they actually KNEW them, they wouldn't single-out their religion as being some defect in their character.

There are quite a number of Muslims in the world that are destructive, violent, kill-first types. But, those are a teeny-tiny minority. That doesn't make all other Muslims as radical as that small minority. In fact, it doesn't make them radical at all. Islam is a religion of Peace, just like every other major religion known to mankind! If religious people would stop looking at it like they're competing for "God's Favorite Religious Club" Trophy, the world would be a lot more peaceful. God accepts all of you. God's not Islamic, or Christian (Catholic, Baptist, Presbyterian, Methodist, etc.), or Jewish, or Hindu, or Buddhist, or Shintoist, of Taoist, or Mormon.
How teeny, tiny is the minority. I am certain that most of the terrorists in the world are killing in the name of Allah not the name of Christ. In addition not all religions are the same in how they view the creator. That's just stupid talk.
 
Well, it's a relief to know we have gotten past the whole "separation of church and state" drivel, 'cuz that was a myth anyway.
 
How teeny, tiny is the minority. I am certain that most of the terrorists in the world are killing in the name of Allah not the name of Christ. In addition not all religions are the same in how they view the creator. That's just stupid talk.
Christ, Krishna, Muhammad... To-may-toe, To-Mah-toe

You wanna be afraid of all Muslims? Be my guest.
 
Shocking that IMCC is a Carson apologist. Change Muslim to Christian and he's against it - even though a very small minority of Christians are killing abortion doctors, blowing up federal buildings, and denying Constitutional rights. Sad really.
 
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Shocking that IMCC is a Carson apologist. Change Muslim to Christian and he's against it - even though a very small minority of Christians are killing abortion doctors, blowing up federal buildings, and denying Constitutional rights. Sad really.


Modern day: Muslim vs Christian, who has had the most incidents of violence?
 
Modern day: Muslim vs Christian, who has had the most incidents of violence?

I don't think there is any doubt that Christians commit more crimes in the U.S. per year compared to Muslims.

But why does that matter you? You agree with Dr. Carson that a Muslim should not be President in the U.S. From this day forward, we all know that you are in favor of religious discrimination (as long as it's discrimination you agree with), don't support the First Amendment, and we should all ignore you when you post examples of discrimination against Christians.
 
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I don't think there is any doubt that Christians commit more crimes in the U.S. per year compared to Muslims.

But why does that matter you? You agree with Dr. Carson that a Muslim should not be President in the U.S. From this day forward, we all know that you are in favor of religious discrimination (as long as it's discrimination you agree with), don't support the First Amendment, and we should all ignore you when you post examples of discrimination against Christians.


What?
 
Honest question: is there something inherently wrong with being old and white?
No, I hope to be old and white someday. You miss the point, or are choosing to ignore what Republican strategists acknowledged in 2013. The Republican Party has an image problem with minority voters, and will have a tough time winning elections as America grows more diverse. And, stupid comments don't just offend minorities. They offend moderates and independents who may be tempted to vote Republican at times.
 
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There are quite a number of Muslims in the world that are destructive, violent, kill-first types. But, those are a teeny-tiny minority.

Tell that to the families of 9/11.
 
As I told another Carson defender, if you want to meet Muslims who are perfectly at ease in a democracy, there are millions of them right here in the good ole USA. Introduce yourself to a few of them. Your author's rant isn't worth the bandwidth it consumed.
that's the problem, democracy in the usa and the world is a joke
 
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There are quite a number of Muslims in the world that are destructive, violent, kill-first types. But, those are a teeny-tiny minority.

Tell that to the families of 9/11.
that's if you think muslims did 9-11
and if you think the families actually think muslims did 9-11
 
There are a few threads this question could go in, but this one seemed like it needed a bump. My question is how is Carson's position on Islam in any way unique from any other religion? Sure Islam has many laws that don't fit with civil law, so does every other religion. Yes Islam thinks the ultimate authority belongs to their god, so does every other religion.

To my ears Carson isn't so much denouncing Islam here as he is denouncing anyone who actually follows their religion "religiously" and is tacitly admitting he thinks Muslims are just more devout and that's a bad thing. He is really endorsing secularism here and that's just beautiful coming from him.
 
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Get a strong Muslim to put them women in their place and get rid of that gay marriage stuff. Lots of people all of that.
 
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