The Real Season begins...

[fourteenandone]

week 1 matchups :
#8 Iowa @ #33 Rutgers
#41 Penn State @ #13 Michigan
#12 Wisconsin @ #3 Michigan State
#22 Nebraska @ #49 Northwestern

I have the Home Team projected to win every game this week.
Michigan, Michigan State, and Northwestern each won its last meeting with their opponent...
Iowa has never played Rutgers, therefore I give the advantage to the Home Team.

Projected Standings based on Last Meeting Won

Michigan State 9-0
Ohio State 8-1
Michigan 5-4
Penn State 5-4
Maryland 3-6
Rutgers 3-6
Indiana 2-7

Iowa 7-2
Northwestern 6-3
Wisconsin 5-4
Minnesota 4-5
Nebraska 3-6
Illinois 2-7
Purdue 1-8

Rankings for all 65 Power5 Teams (including NotreDame who doesn't play in a Power5 Conference)

#1 Alabama 3-0
#2 Clemson 3-0
#3 Michigan State 2-0
#4 Stanford 2-0
#5 Florida 3-0
#6 Utah 3-0
#7 North Carolina 2-1
#8 Iowa 2-1
#9 Oklahoma 1-2

#10 Ohio State 3-0
#11 Georgia 3-0
#12 Wisconsin 3-0
#13 Michigan 3-0
#14 Baylor 3-0
#15 Tennessee 3-0
#16 Louisville 3-0
#17 Arkansas 3-0
#18 West Virginia 2-0
#19 Miami 3-0
#20 Texas A&M 3-0
#21 Washington 3-0
#22 Nebraska 3-0
#23 Minnesota 2-0
#24 Indiana 2-0
#25 Arizona State 3-0

#26 Maryland 3-0
#27 Georgia Tech 3-0
#28 Wake Forest 3-0
#29 LSU 2-1
#30 UCLA 2-1
#31 Arizona 2-1
#32 Kansas State 1-1
#33 Rutgers 2-1
#34 Oregon State 1-1
#35 TCU 2-1
#36 Oklahoma State 2-1
#37 California 2-1
#38 Virginia Tech 2-1
#39 Texas Tech 2-1
#40 North Carolina State 2-1
#41 Penn State 2-1
#42 South Carolina 1-1
#43 Purdue 2-1
#44 Florida State 2-1
#45 Oregon 2-1
#46 Pittsburgh 2-1
#47 Texas 2-1
#48 Colorado 2-1
#49 Northwestern 1-2
#50 Washington State 1-2

#51 Kentucky 1-2
#52 USC 1-2
#53 Ole Miss 1-2
#54 Notre Dame 1-2
#55 Mississippi State 1-2
#56 Auburn 1-2
#57 Missouri 1-2
#58 Vanderbilt 1-2
#59 Boston College 1-2
#60 Duke 1-2
#61 Illinois 1-2
#62 Syracuse 1-2
#63 Kansas 1-2
#64 Virginia 0-3
#65 Iowa State 0-3

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this is an unbiased system based on wins and losses and a carry over from the end of last season.
the Top 9 spots are reserved for Division and Conference front runners.

 

[Dauminator]

Real season nothing. Tell that to Oklahoma. Their season was returning to the playoffs and vying for a national title. That's over already. Or tell that to the teams who have already played a conference game. Lamar Jackson has one hand on the Heisman from his play so far. Yes, that can be lost, but he's already done enough to become the frontrunner.

Heck, tell that to Iowa fans, who've already had hopes of reaching the next level as a program dashed by a "return" to Ferentz-ball.
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I ask this question not as an attack, but as an invitation. What differentiates your system here from Sagarin or the FPI?

 

[nu2u]

Iowa has never played Rutgers, therefore I give the advantage to the Home Team.

That is a very odd way to analyze or otherwise determine which team might win a football contest.

 

[mvhomerj]

The Real Season begins... thank God, last week didn't count!

 

[Gridiron24]

wait so we didn't lose to an FCS team last week?

 

[mvhomerj]

wait so we didn't lose to an FCS team last week?

No, because it wasn't the "real" season.

 

[fourteenandone]

Real season nothing. Tell that to Oklahoma. Their season was returning to the playoffs and vying for a national title. That's over already. Or tell that to the teams who have already played a conference game. Lamar Jackson has one hand on the Heisman from his play so far. Yes, that can be lost, but he's already done enough to become the frontrunner.

Heck, tell that to Iowa fans, who've already had hopes of reaching the next level as a program dashed by a "return" to Ferentz-ball.
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I ask this question not as an attack, but as an invitation. What differentiates your system here from Sagarin or the FPI?

the Sagarin and FPI systems are complex... and they use many variables...
systems like these are a dime a dozen....
there are countless ways to come up with such systems....

my system is as simple as it gets....
in mathematics, we learn early on to simplify things... find the lowest common denominator...

and this philosophy can apply to all things in life.
you've heard the phrase "keep it simple, stupid"

well... there's a lot of truth in that...
when you watch great basketball players, for example.... they make it look so easy....
same thing in tennis.... the great players make it look simple...

and really... these complex systems.... they are nice to observe... but... nobody totally understands them... not even the people that fit together the equations that make them work....

if team A wins.... team B loses... and team C loses... what happens to team D if they win verses if they lose?.... well... in these complex systems... you don't know until you put in all the data...

in my system... its very simple... if you win... you are going to stay the same or move up.
if you lose, you are going to stay the same or move down.

all I do is take the Top 9 Front Runners... those 9 teams that are front runners for their Division or Conference.... and I place them at the top...

at the end of last season, Alabama was #1.... therefore they will stay #1 until they lose... and... have a worse record than somebody below them.
same thing applies right on down the line.

if (2-1) Penn State beats (3-0) Michigan.... they will have equal records... but because Penn State won this week and Michigan lost... Penn State will be ranked before Michigan...

the list starts "in order" with record (W-L)... and the teams that did not lose... (either bye or win)
then the teams with identical records that lost follow "in order" below them.

very simple.... top 9..... then everybody else according to wins and losses.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

Don't....don't ever mention the FPI ratings. Media hoax invented to directly effect the playoff system in favor of particular teams and 1 conference in general.
It's not worth reading, much less discussing.

 

[IAHawk2011]

I've got to say, that might be the worst attempt at ranking teams I've ever seen in my life.

 

[Backinthe515]

Wait a minute does that mean we really went 9-2 last year?

Go home 15.

 

[Backinthe515]

Man that list just keeps on giving. 2-1 iowa ahead of 3-0 Ohio state. Nvmd don't go home this is comic genius

 

[Backinthe515]

L'ville (imo the best looking team) at 16. Hahahahaha. C'mon man.

 

[pacnorthhawkeye]

Completely unbiased my arse.

 

[mvhomerj]

My God, I thought I drank too much, this crap is a joke!!

 

[kyle23]

We suck, yet we're in the top 10. Ohio State just blew the doors off a team you ranked above them, on the road mind you. Pathetic attempt at your "simple ranking."

 

[Hawks_Rock_12]

Real season nothing. Tell that to Oklahoma. Their season was returning to the playoffs and vying for a national title. That's over already. Or tell that to the teams who have already played a conference game. Lamar Jackson has one hand on the Heisman from his play so far. Yes, that can be lost, but he's already done enough to become the frontrunner.

Heck, tell that to Iowa fans, who've already had hopes of reaching the next level as a program dashed by a "return" to Ferentz-ball.
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I ask this question not as an attack, but as an invitation. What differentiates your system here from Sagarin or the FPI?

You can add Notre Dame to the list of teams who's season is over too.

 

[fourteenandone]

the goal is to win the Conference Championship... these pre-season games are just tune ups....
if Iowa wins out.. they win the B1G
Iowa State, on the other hand, has to win out and hope TCU drops 2.

the reason why my system is superior to all others is because it forces teams to earn spots... and never gives spots to teams undeserving.

like Oklahoma (1-2) and Ole Miss (1-2) both are ranked teams... but neither have earned their ranking.

Washington is Ranked Top 10.... they were 7-6 last season...
they are 3-0 this season with wins over Rutgers - Idaho - Portland State.

everything about my system is completely unbiased... there's no better system in the world... but one thing its not.... my system is not a betting tool.

I am 100% anti betting.... all you have to do is research Ronnie Harmon to find out why I am 100% anti betting.

tonight at 6:30 #2 Clemson(0-0) plays at #27 Georgia Tech (1-0)
I'll be rooting for the Underdog tonight.
I always do.

 

[Dauminator]

Don't....don't ever mention the FPI ratings. Media hoax invented to directly effect the playoff system in favor of particular teams and 1 conference in general.
It's not worth reading, much less discussing.

Not mentioned as a paragon of quality. But it at least includes some factors 15 is ignoring. I agree, it's not worth our attention, either.

if Iowa wins out.. they win the B1G

Same with the East powers . . .

the reason why my system is superior to all others is because it forces teams to earn spots... and never gives spots to teams undeserving.

Your system is infused with last year's results, same as the others. Your system also doesn't factor scoring margin, efficiency metrics, or quality of opponent, all important factors that equate to the human eye test that tell anyone breathing that Ohio State is a country mile better than Iowa.

I honestly appreciate your simple approach. I think you've taken it too far, though. It's kind of a championship belt type approach. The holder of the belt has to have it taken from them. And by year's end it will probably be relatively close. You sure have some wacky results, though.

And your insistence that only conference games matter is baffling. The college football system is full of holes, but unless and until the whole thing is reworked correctly, perception is reality.

 

[spbc7]

We suck, yet we're in the top 10. Ohio State just blew the doors off a team you ranked above them, on the road mind you. Pathetic attempt at your "simple ranking."

Nebraska's not in the top 10 bud

 

[KuwaitHawk]

Notre Dame IS in a conference.......sort of

 

[KuwaitHawk]

wait so we didn't lose to an FCS team last week?

That was "pre-season" as some say

 

[fourteenandone]

Not mentioned as a paragon of quality. But it at least includes some factors 15 is ignoring. I agree, it's not worth our attention, either.


Same with the East powers . . .

Your system is infused with last year's results, same as the others. Your system also doesn't factor scoring margin, efficiency metrics, or quality of opponent, all important factors that equate to the human eye test that tell anyone breathing that Ohio State is a country mile better than Iowa.

I honestly appreciate your simple approach. I think you've taken it too far, though. It's kind of a championship belt type approach. The holder of the belt has to have it taken from them. And by year's end it will probably be relatively close. You sure have some wacky results, though.

And your insistence that only conference games matter is baffling. The college football system is full of holes, but unless and until the whole thing is reworked correctly, perception is reality.

perception is NOT reality... it is an illusion.... my perception is not the same as your perception... therefore there is no true account of perception.... therefore it is absolutely an illusion and by no means reality.

you gotta be honest about this and ask yourself... who's perception dictates above another's perception?

my perception does not equal your perception.

you want to say the committee's perception matters.... ok... but don't pretend to speak for them... I don't pretend to speak for them.

not only that... their perception is irrelevant until all the data is in.... and that only happens when all the games have been played.

and I did like your "championship belt type approach" ... I think that is good way to look at the system I use.

now... I will say... if Iowa and Ohio State plays in the Championship game... Iowa has an equal chance of winning that game... neither team can take perception nor past into that game as any sort of advantage.... its 0-0 going into... and the winner will be decided on the playing field.... where it should be... and not in the minds and imaginations of college football fanbases.

that's reality.

 

[David1979]

Looks like somebody believes the same as the OP that the real season begins in conference play.

“I think the out-of-conference schedule is just what it is. You can lose them, still recover and play and win a Big Ten championship. You start playing a little bit more for real, I think, in terms of understanding that these are the things that lead you to rings, big bowl games, playoffs, those type of things.

“When you're playing in-conference ... the chips just get a little bit bigger.”

 

[Dauminator]

14-1 (sorry for calling you 15 before, was a slip)

Who plays in the national playoff is determined by a committee of people. Their perception is reality.

ESPN is still the primary source of sports information for the nation. They have a narrative and agenda that they push. What they cover and the numbers they create and display drive the national perception.

The AP poll still has cache, for some reason. That ranking drives perception.

The national preseason zeitgeist affects the whole season. Let's say a team beats two teams that were ranked in the preseason. They get a huge boost into the top ten. By season's end, those two teams don't even qualify for a bowl, but the rankings boost is already baked in. Same thing can happen in reverse. So the preseason perception is reality.

Hey, I don't like it, either. There's a multitude of problems in the setup. But as long as we have the system we have, you can't escape it.

 

[fourteenandone]

14-1 (sorry for calling you 15 before, was a slip)

Who plays in the national playoff is determined by a committee of people. Their perception is reality.

ESPN is still the primary source of sports information for the nation. They have a narrative and agenda that they push. What they cover and the numbers they create and display drive the national perception.

The AP poll still has cache, for some reason. That ranking drives perception.

The national preseason zeitgeist affects the whole season. Let's say a team beats two teams that were ranked in the preseason. They get a huge boost into the top ten. By season's end, those two teams don't even qualify for a bowl, but the rankings boost is already baked in. Same thing can happen in reverse. So the preseason perception is reality.

Hey, I don't like it, either. There's a multitude of problems in the setup. But as long as we have the system we have, you can't escape it.

no no.... listen... I appreciate your honest assessment... but you are mistaken.

those so called perceptions and mashed potatoes don't mean gravy.

what people outside of the Committee think... has no bearing on the final outcome...
even what the Committee members think before the final results are in... has no bearing on the final outcome...

it is only when all the results are in.... and then the decision to select the teams, is when their perception matters... but it is only the perception of the Committee members... not from anyone on the outside.

therefore those on the outside... that perception is an illusion... not reality.

and again... my perception is not the same as your perception.... therefore it has to be an illusion... its not even a possibility that perception is a reality.

you got to be honest with yourself about this.

 

[Backinthe515]

So much fail

 

[Dauminator]

Sir, we simply disagree. I've nothing more to add.

 

[fourteenandone]

Sir, we simply disagree. I've nothing more to add.

disagree with what?.... you think people outside the Committee determine who gets in the Final 4?