I'm becoming more comfortable with major metro areas becoming their own states. LA, NY and Chicago have nothing to offer or in common with much of their respective states.Honestly, I'm becoming more and more in favor of some kind of breakup. After reading these two books:
and
I am more and more convinced that trying to cobble together colonies with such vastly different cultures, societal values, political ideologies and approaches to governance was always a recipe for failure.
I'm ready for America to divide up into urban and rural enclaves.
The single-most cynical political essay I've ever read . . . but I also think it's almost 100% accurate
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Agreed, the actual revenue-producing, business-generating, arts and culture supporting and creative class supporting metro areas need to rid themselves of the yoke of red state teat suckling. It makes sense to let the dying part of the country go gently into the night. Maybe we could return those areas to pristine wildlife once they are completely cratered out from a population standpoint.
LA, SD, SB, Palm Springs, and SF are the same people.
LA and Barstow or Bakersfield, not so much. Just add inland CA to shithole states like Nevada or AZ.
And you are choosing to advance their message, giving it more weight than it deserves.
I doSo basically we’re looking at 18th century Germany
Who gets to keep the nukes?
If you have even a modest cash flow/income there’s a very long list that will roll out the red carpet for you.
Good read.It won’t take much more pressure to shatter America now. As key experts on both sides of the political spectrum are warning, 2020 was a dry run for what Trump or a future Republican will attempt in the event of a close election in key swing states, driven by the demands of their voters.
It remains a minor miracle that even solid Republicans pushed back on Trump’s gambit. But over a year after the January 6th insurrection polls still consistently show that a strong majority of Republicans believe in Trump’s stolen election myth. Those Republicans who opposed his scheme are being run out of politics. All the vital signs are being sent to state-level officials that party expects things to go very differently the next time the opportunity arises.
Imagine if officials had gone along with Trump’s scam: early 2021 would have been a lot worse than the Capitol Riot— Blue states would have faced mass uprisings. This was an outcome clearly anticipated by a high-level wargame done by members of both parties before the election — a simulation that was terminated when the West Coast team seceded.
It is well within the realm of possibility — frankly, it is more likely than not now — that Trump will return to the White House in 2025 by hook or crook. Trump is viewed as favorably as Ronald Reagan among Republicans and remains far more popular than any other politician on the right— at the moment he’s as popular as any other American politician.
Polls today are nowhere near a perfect reflection of what they’ll look like in 2024. But none of the trends that have dominated American politics over the past ten years are abating and there is no precedent for an ex-President popular in his party running for election in the modern era. The mainstream media narratives about Trump have been consistently wrong, and I see no scenario where Trump takes less than a plurality of the Republican primary vote in 2024.
Might he be put on trial between now and then? Maybe, but I doubt it. First because he has a swarm of sycophants who take all the legal risks for their shady boss. Second, because it would probably trigger an explosion of protests and rebound to his advantage.
It is difficult to see how the Democrats can recover from Biden’s disastrous first two years. Having over-promised and under-delivered on the pandemic, economy, and foreign policy, there isn’t a shred of Biden’s alleged competence left to run on. He was supposed to make everything normal again, but for most people it feels worse than the Trump years no matter how much Biden travels around telling people they ought to be grateful for him not being the other guy.
Biden approval compared to recent Presidents. Tied with Trump. From 538.
Democrats whose Twitter feeds aren’t blowing up from whatever dumb thing Trump said today may choose to pretend all is well, but to most Americans the pressures of inflation compare poorly to the boom times of the pre-pandemic Trump years. They care about inflation and the stock market a lot more than Trump’s irritating social media act.
Republicans are certain to take the House in the 2022 midterms which means 2023 will see a parade of partisan investigations into the Biden Administration. Trump can announce his candidacy early that year in order to claim credit for the midterm wins, leaving the Democrats likely trying to repeat the near-total disaster of 2020 by making the race all about Trump again.
This is bound to backfire. Democrats believe that any properly educated person will feel compelled to vote for the allegedly pro-science, pro-democracy party they forget that voter behavior is most strongly driven by identity. People vote with their in group — the fact most Democrats are college educated has blinded them to the reality that they do exactly the same thing.
Right or wrong millions of people who didn’t often vote before 2016 feel like Trump speaks for them — or at the least he fights for things they care about. Like it or not, in an alienated, fearful society like America’s this is all you need to generate the kind of passion that leads to fools attacking the Capitol.
Yet give them this much credit: you don’t see progressives fighting that hard for their beliefs, now do you? Kids were and probably still are separated from parents and locked in cages on the border, but nobody charges in to liberate them from ICE. Where are Occupy, Antifa, Extinction Rebellion and all the rest of the right-wing bugaboos when Biden is demanding the police get more funding while public lands are fracked for dirty oil?
2024 is set to be brutally close and both sides are fully primed to allege the other is playing dirty. It is more likely than not that all the swing states that matter will be run by Republicans from top to bottom after 2022. Wisconsin, Michigan, Arizona, Georgia, and Pennsylvania will all be vulnerable to state legislature shenanigans and likely Republican governors to boot, making this Trump’s easiest map for 2024:
Trump’s Basic 2024 map. Made using 270towin.org
When (most of) the votes are counted (and re-counted) in 2024, multiple Republican-run state legislatures are set to get involved, meaning the Supreme Court gets pulled in too — with a 6–3 conservative majority. Even Roberts’ moderating influence isn’t enough to beat that, at least if Roe v. Wade’s imminent destruction is anything to go by, so the novel conservative argument that state legislatures have total power in Presidential elections is likely to be upheld.
That means the period between the election and inauguration will degenerate into escalating protests. Even a few incidents of violence will feed fears of more to come, creating the stage for self-fulfilling prophecies. State governors will be forced to activate National Guard units, generating even more tension and fear and conspiratorial thinking.
As inauguration day approaches, Trump will be on social media promising to crack down on protestors as soon as he’s back in the Oval Office. After his administration’s frankly criminal and now mostly forgotten attack on Portland during Black Lives Matter, governors in deep-blue regions like the West Coast and Northeast will face a terrible choice: accept what the majority of their voters sincerely believe is a stolen election or reject the result with all the dangers that choice entails.
If the Democrats do manage to win, the shoe will simply be on the other foot. Florida and Texas are set to lead the way in openly defying the federal government and advance the old cause of state’s rights. And there’s not much the Blue federal government will be able to do about it.
States will likely not secede in this scenario. Instead, they will claim to be safeguarding the Constitution against perversions by hostile partisans. Unlike 1860, no one will repudiate the United States of America and form a new country — each region will instead insist they’re the true America.
So the people with the farmland, woodland, rangeland need the business-generating land? Good luck with that.
It seems like you've come across a cynical but thought-provoking political essay. It's interesting when something resonates with us, even if it's a bit disheartening.
While I can't provide a TL/DR version, I understand the importance of discussing our failing political system. It's essential to be aware of the challenges and divisions we face. Engaging in these conversations can lead to a better understanding and, hopefully, positive change.
You might check out more essay samples. It's a helpful resource to broaden your perspectives and gain insights from different writers. It's always fascinating to see different viewpoints expressed through the art of writing!
While I can't provide a TL/DR version, I understand the importance of discussing our failing political system. It's essential to be aware of the challenges and divisions we face. Engaging in these conversations can lead to a better understanding and, hopefully, positive change.
You might check out more essay samples. It's a helpful resource to broaden your perspectives and gain insights from different writers. It's always fascinating to see different viewpoints expressed through the art of writing!
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This was a fun re-read heading into the 2024 elections. Still a lot of the same issues present.
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Break it up, lol. This seems like such a white guy stance.
A plurality of various demographic groups of citizens has been either du jure or de facto second class citizens for the majority of the history of this country and white guys can’t handle the struggles of modern intractable politics which have boiled over since Gingrich kicked the white angst into high gear.
A plurality of various demographic groups of citizens has been either du jure or de facto second class citizens for the majority of the history of this country and white guys can’t handle the struggles of modern intractable politics which have boiled over since Gingrich kicked the white angst into high gear.
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