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The Supreme Court is poised to deliver conservatives a string of big victories

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The Supreme Court’s new term begins today, and it brings with it a paradox. On one hand, the Court is poised to deliver conservatives a string of sweeping, consequential victories on issues covering a wide swath of American life. On the other, conservatives are up in arms about how they’ve been betrayed by the Court, and particularly by Chief Justice John Roberts, despite the fact that Roberts has in all but a couple of cases been as reliable a conservative vote as they could have hoped for.

Let’s look at what’s coming. Among the cases the Court will be hearing are an affirmative action case involving the University of Texas, a case asking whether congressional districts must adhere to a “one person, one vote” standard, a case testing state restrictions meant to shut down abortion clinics, a case asking whether public-sector unions can require non-members who benefit from their collective bargaining to contribute to those efforts, and yet another lawsuit challenging the Affordable Care Act’s contraception provision.

While a couple of them may be in doubt, it’s entirely possible that by the time this term ends next June, the Court will have driven the final stake into affirmative action, struck a fatal blow against public-sector unions, enhanced Republican power in legislatures by reducing the representation of areas with large Hispanic populations, given a green light for Republican-run states to make abortions all but impossible to obtain, and undermined the ACA. Even if one or two of those don’t go how Court observers expect, it’s almost certainly going to be a great term for Republicans.

And while they’ve had a couple of recent high-profile defeats at the Court, conservatives have enjoyed a conservative majority for a couple of decades now. Yes, Anthony Kennedy sometimes joins with liberals, as he did in the case legalizing same-sex marriage. But just in the last few years, they’ve seen the doors of campaign finance thrown open to unlimited spending by corporations and billionaires; the Voting Rights Act gutted; affirmative action all but outlawed; an individual right to own guns created for the first time in American history; corporations granted religious rights to exempt themselves from laws they don’t like and sectarian prayer allowed at government meetings; unions undermined and employment discrimination suits made more difficult; and a whole series of less well-known decisions that enhance the power of the powerful, whether it’s the government or corporations.

Nevertheless, when you hear conservatives talk about the Court, they don’t say, “We need to make sure we get more conservative justices to keep winning.” Instead, they say, “We’ve been betrayed!” So what’s going on?

There are a couple of answers. The first is that they’re demanding not just a record of wins, but absolute perfection. They want not justices who will bring a conservative philosophy to the Court, but justices who will never stray from whatever it is the Republican Party wants at a particular time. The recent decision in King v. Burwell is a perfect example: the lawsuit itself was a joke, based on a series of claims about the Affordable Care Act that ran from the clearly false to the laughably ridiculous. When John Roberts sided with the majority to dismiss it — despite a long record of being on the “right” side of all the cases I mentioned above, plus many more — they declared him to be an irredeemable traitor.

The second reason is that narratives of betrayal are central to how conservatives understand history. Whenever events don’t turn out as they would like, whether it’s a foreign war or a lost election or a societal evolution, the story is always the same: We were betrayed, either by our opponents or by the people we thought were our allies. Was the Iraq War a terrible idea? No, we had it won — until Barack Obama betrayed us by pulling out. Why was George W. Bush so unpopular? Because he betrayed conservative principles by not cutting spending more, just like his father betrayed us by raising taxes (while the younger Bush was still president, longtime conservative activist Richard Viguerie wrote a book entitled “Conservatives Betrayed: How George W. Bush and Other Big-Government Republicans Hijacked the Conservative Cause).” As Digby memorably wrote, “Conservatism cannot fail, it can only be failed. (And a conservative can only fail because he is too liberal.)” And it goes back as far as you want. Why did the Soviet Union come to dominate Eastern Europe? Because FDR betrayed us at Yalta.

It isn’t that there’s never any truth in this story, particularly when it comes to the Court. David Souter, for instance, turned out to be a genuine liberal, not at all what Republicans expected when he was appointed by George H. W. Bush. But they’ve gotten so used to the betrayal narrative that they place even a single setback into it. Which may explain why conservative opinions of the Court have changed so dramatically in recent years. According to Pew polls, in 2008, 80 percent of Republicans approved of the Supreme Court, compared to 64 percent of Democrats. By 2015, the views of Democrats hadn’t changed — their approval was at 62 percent. But Republican approval had fallen to 33 percent, despite all they had won at the Court over that time. A full 68 percent of conservative Republicans call the Court “liberal,” an idea that is absurd by any objective measure, but one that is regularly fed by conservative media and Republican politicians.

To be clear, Republicans are right to focus on the Supreme Court during the campaign, and Democrats ought to as well. As I’ve argued before, there may be no single issue more consequential for America’s future in this election than what will happen to the Supreme Court in the next four or eight years. But Republicans aren’t just arguing that it’s important for them to elect a Republican so they can get friendly justices, they’re arguing that even Republican presidents and Republican-appointed justices can’t be trusted not to turn into judicial Benedict Arnolds.

If you’re someone like Ted Cruz, this idea fits in nicely with the rest of your message, at least during the primaries: the real enemy isn’t the Democrats, it’s the feckless and unreliable Republican establishment that has failed to deliver the conservative paradise we were promised. Which is why no one is louder in condemning Roberts than Cruz (who supported Roberts wholeheartedly when he was nominated). But I wonder, will they change their tune when the Court gives them one victory after another over the next nine months?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...tring-of-big-victories/?tid=pm_opinions_pop_b
 
Another way to look at it is that there is almost no question how Ginsberg and the three others will vote on any given case. It is pretty much lock step democratic. How would dems react if Ginsberg ruled in favor of abortion restrictions?

I agree with the thought that the President's ability to nominate judges is the most overlooked, and possibly most consequential, part of a presidential election.
 
[QUOTE="Skidlt, post: 919070, member: 4736"]Another way to look at it is that there is almost no question how Ginsberg and the three others will vote on any given case. It is pretty much lock step democratic. How would dems react if Ginsberg ruled in favor of abortion restrictions?

I agree with the thought that the President's ability to nominate judges is the most overlooked, and possibly most consequential, part of a presidential election.[/QUOTE]
So true. You can be certain the 4 libs will vote ideology over the law
 
[QUOTE="Skidlt, post: 919070, member: 4736"]Another way to look at it is that there is almost no question how Ginsberg and the three others will vote on any given case. It is pretty much lock step democratic. How would dems react if Ginsberg ruled in favor of abortion restrictions?

I agree with the thought that the President's ability to nominate judges is the most overlooked, and possibly most consequential, part of a presidential election.
So true. You can be certain the 4 libs will vote ideology over the law[/QUOTE]

Yep. They just walk in and pull that magic "lib" lever.

People act like SCOTUS decisions are just extensions of the political branch. It sometimes seems that way, but, generally speaking, these are people making very hard decisions interpreting issues that are not as clear as you might believe them to be.

My con law professor had a great line about this. He said "you'll read the majority and think 'wow, that's the best argument I've ever heard' and think that you're 100% on their side and that it would be crazy to dissent, and then you'll get to the dissent and think 'wow, how did I ever agree with the majority, this is a slam dunk' and the reason for that, is that these cases are the hard ones, that's why they're in front of the Supreme Court."

There is obviously some truth in your political ideology shaping your interpretation of precedent and statutes, but to act like these 9 people just make shit up to fit their "agendas" is really ignorant to how the process works.

The reason you see (or probably more accurately, have seen) the "liberal" justices aligned so frequently, and one to three "conservative" justices joining them, is the cases are generally advanced as challenges to liberal policies and show a marked tick to the right in the types of challenges that are being advanced to the SCOTUS.
 
So true. You can be certain the 4 libs will vote ideology over the law

Yep. They just walk in and pull that magic "lib" lever.

People act like SCOTUS decisions are just extensions of the political branch. It sometimes seems that way, but, generally speaking, these are people making very hard decisions interpreting issues that are not as clear as you might believe them to be.

My con law professor had a great line about this. He said "you'll read the majority and think 'wow, that's the best argument I've ever heard' and think that you're 100% on their side and that it would be crazy to dissent, and then you'll get to the dissent and think 'wow, how did I ever agree with the majority, this is a slam dunk' and the reason for that, is that these cases are the hard ones, that's why they're in front of the Supreme Court."

There is obviously some truth in your political ideology shaping your interpretation of precedent and statutes, but to act like these 9 people just make shit up to fit their "agendas" is really ignorant to how the process works.

The reason you see (or probably more accurately, have seen) the "liberal" justices aligned so frequently, and one to three "conservative" justices joining them, is the cases are generally advanced as challenges to liberal policies and show a marked tick to the right in the types of challenges that are being advanced to the SCOTUS.[/QUOTE]

We all know cons never vote ideology. This post is full of political BS!
 
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While a couple of them may be in doubt, it’s entirely possible that by the time this term ends next June, the Court will have driven the final stake into affirmative action, struck a fatal blow against public-sector unions, enhanced Republican power in legislatures by reducing the representation of areas with large Hispanic populations, given a green light for Republican-run states to make abortions all but impossible to obtain, and undermined the ACA. Even if one or two of those don’t go how Court observers expect, it’s almost certainly going to be a great term for Republicans.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...tring-of-big-victories/?tid=pm_opinions_pop_b[/QUOTE]
BFT!!
 
The Supreme Court’s new term begins today, and it brings with it a paradox. On one hand, the Court is poised to deliver conservatives a string of sweeping, consequential victories on issues covering a wide swath of American life. On the other, conservatives are up in arms about how they’ve been betrayed by the Court, and particularly by Chief Justice John Roberts, despite the fact that Roberts has in all but a couple of cases been as reliable a conservative vote as they could have hoped for.

Let’s look at what’s coming. Among the cases the Court will be hearing are an affirmative action case involving the University of Texas, a case asking whether congressional districts must adhere to a “one person, one vote” standard, a case testing state restrictions meant to shut down abortion clinics, a case asking whether public-sector unions can require non-members who benefit from their collective bargaining to contribute to those efforts, and yet another lawsuit challenging the Affordable Care Act’s contraception provision.

While a couple of them may be in doubt, it’s entirely possible that by the time this term ends next June, the Court will have driven the final stake into affirmative action, struck a fatal blow against public-sector unions, enhanced Republican power in legislatures by reducing the representation of areas with large Hispanic populations, given a green light for Republican-run states to make abortions all but impossible to obtain, and undermined the ACA. Even if one or two of those don’t go how Court observers expect, it’s almost certainly going to be a great term for Republicans.

And while they’ve had a couple of recent high-profile defeats at the Court, conservatives have enjoyed a conservative majority for a couple of decades now. Yes, Anthony Kennedy sometimes joins with liberals, as he did in the case legalizing same-sex marriage. But just in the last few years, they’ve seen the doors of campaign finance thrown open to unlimited spending by corporations and billionaires; the Voting Rights Act gutted; affirmative action all but outlawed; an individual right to own guns created for the first time in American history; corporations granted religious rights to exempt themselves from laws they don’t like and sectarian prayer allowed at government meetings; unions undermined and employment discrimination suits made more difficult; and a whole series of less well-known decisions that enhance the power of the powerful, whether it’s the government or corporations.

Nevertheless, when you hear conservatives talk about the Court, they don’t say, “We need to make sure we get more conservative justices to keep winning.” Instead, they say, “We’ve been betrayed!” So what’s going on?

There are a couple of answers. The first is that they’re demanding not just a record of wins, but absolute perfection. They want not justices who will bring a conservative philosophy to the Court, but justices who will never stray from whatever it is the Republican Party wants at a particular time. The recent decision in King v. Burwell is a perfect example: the lawsuit itself was a joke, based on a series of claims about the Affordable Care Act that ran from the clearly false to the laughably ridiculous. When John Roberts sided with the majority to dismiss it — despite a long record of being on the “right” side of all the cases I mentioned above, plus many more — they declared him to be an irredeemable traitor.

The second reason is that narratives of betrayal are central to how conservatives understand history. Whenever events don’t turn out as they would like, whether it’s a foreign war or a lost election or a societal evolution, the story is always the same: We were betrayed, either by our opponents or by the people we thought were our allies. Was the Iraq War a terrible idea? No, we had it won — until Barack Obama betrayed us by pulling out. Why was George W. Bush so unpopular? Because he betrayed conservative principles by not cutting spending more, just like his father betrayed us by raising taxes (while the younger Bush was still president, longtime conservative activist Richard Viguerie wrote a book entitled “Conservatives Betrayed: How George W. Bush and Other Big-Government Republicans Hijacked the Conservative Cause).” As Digby memorably wrote, “Conservatism cannot fail, it can only be failed. (And a conservative can only fail because he is too liberal.)” And it goes back as far as you want. Why did the Soviet Union come to dominate Eastern Europe? Because FDR betrayed us at Yalta.

It isn’t that there’s never any truth in this story, particularly when it comes to the Court. David Souter, for instance, turned out to be a genuine liberal, not at all what Republicans expected when he was appointed by George H. W. Bush. But they’ve gotten so used to the betrayal narrative that they place even a single setback into it. Which may explain why conservative opinions of the Court have changed so dramatically in recent years. According to Pew polls, in 2008, 80 percent of Republicans approved of the Supreme Court, compared to 64 percent of Democrats. By 2015, the views of Democrats hadn’t changed — their approval was at 62 percent. But Republican approval had fallen to 33 percent, despite all they had won at the Court over that time. A full 68 percent of conservative Republicans call the Court “liberal,” an idea that is absurd by any objective measure, but one that is regularly fed by conservative media and Republican politicians.

To be clear, Republicans are right to focus on the Supreme Court during the campaign, and Democrats ought to as well. As I’ve argued before, there may be no single issue more consequential for America’s future in this election than what will happen to the Supreme Court in the next four or eight years. But Republicans aren’t just arguing that it’s important for them to elect a Republican so they can get friendly justices, they’re arguing that even Republican presidents and Republican-appointed justices can’t be trusted not to turn into judicial Benedict Arnolds.

If you’re someone like Ted Cruz, this idea fits in nicely with the rest of your message, at least during the primaries: the real enemy isn’t the Democrats, it’s the feckless and unreliable Republican establishment that has failed to deliver the conservative paradise we were promised. Which is why no one is louder in condemning Roberts than Cruz (who supported Roberts wholeheartedly when he was nominated). But I wonder, will they change their tune when the Court gives them one victory after another over the next nine months?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...tring-of-big-victories/?tid=pm_opinions_pop_b

To sum up the article.

The author is going to take his ball and go home...
 
So true. You can be certain the 4 libs will vote ideology over the law

Yep. They just walk in and pull that magic "lib" lever.

People act like SCOTUS decisions are just extensions of the political branch. It sometimes seems that way, but, generally speaking, these are people making very hard decisions interpreting issues that are not as clear as you might believe them to be.

My con law professor had a great line about this. He said "you'll read the majority and think 'wow, that's the best argument I've ever heard' and think that you're 100% on their side and that it would be crazy to dissent, and then you'll get to the dissent and think 'wow, how did I ever agree with the majority, this is a slam dunk' and the reason for that, is that these cases are the hard ones, that's why they're in front of the Supreme Court."

There is obviously some truth in your political ideology shaping your interpretation of precedent and statutes, but to act like these 9 people just make shit up to fit their "agendas" is really ignorant to how the process works.

The reason you see (or probably more accurately, have seen) the "liberal" justices aligned so frequently, and one to three "conservative" justices joining them, is the cases are generally advanced as challenges to liberal policies and show a marked tick to the right in the types of challenges that are being advanced to the SCOTUS.[/QUOTE]
Please tell me you aren't being genuine with this thought process.
 
This is why I say conservatives are reactionary. . . however I'm curious if there has ever been a liberal justice who has voted with conservatives on a big supreme court case and how liberals reacted to that.

Essentially all Roberts did was vote and write the opinion that the ACA is constitutional and interpret it the way congress ment for it to be understood. And he's entirely right on that.

Conservatives just lost their freaking minds over the ACA even though it's the most free market health care idea that actually accomplishes something. Even now many of them are still losing their minds over it and claiming it's a disaster.

I have marketplace insurance. . . I assure you it's not a disaster. It's probably one of the most genuinely helpful pieces of legislation that's come across in the last decade. It could use work, I don't believe that certain details of the legislation are entirely fair. But it's given people access to healthcare who otherwise would not have it.
 
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This is why I say conservatives are reactionary. . . however I'm curious if there has ever been a liberal justice who has voted with conservatives on a big supreme court case and how liberals reacted to that.

Essentially all Roberts did was vote and write the opinion that the ACA is constitutional and interpret it the way congress ment for it to be understood. And he's entirely right on that.

Conservatives just lost their freaking minds over the ACA even though it's the most free market health care idea that actually accomplishes something. Even now many of them are still losing their minds over it and claiming it's a disaster.

I have marketplace insurance. . . I assure you it's not a disaster. It's probably one of the most genuinely helpful pieces of legislation that's come across in the last decade. It could use work, I don't believe that certain details of the legislation are entirely fair. But it's given people access to healthcare who otherwise would not have it.


You're kidding, right? All the time. And they react poorly. Because people have a super simplistic view of the SCOTUS and their decisions. That's why you see arm chair justices on this board after every single decision saying "such and such is an idiot how could they vote that way" as if (as I intimated above) they just walk into chambers and say "liberal" or "conservative."
 
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Yep. They just walk in and pull that magic "lib" lever.

People act like SCOTUS decisions are just extensions of the political branch. It sometimes seems that way, but, generally speaking, these are people making very hard decisions interpreting issues that are not as clear as you might believe them to be.

My con law professor had a great line about this. He said "you'll read the majority and think 'wow, that's the best argument I've ever heard' and think that you're 100% on their side and that it would be crazy to dissent, and then you'll get to the dissent and think 'wow, how did I ever agree with the majority, this is a slam dunk' and the reason for that, is that these cases are the hard ones, that's why they're in front of the Supreme Court."

There is obviously some truth in your political ideology shaping your interpretation of precedent and statutes, but to act like these 9 people just make shit up to fit their "agendas" is really ignorant to how the process works.

The reason you see (or probably more accurately, have seen) the "liberal" justices aligned so frequently, and one to three "conservative" justices joining them, is the cases are generally advanced as challenges to liberal policies and show a marked tick to the right in the types of challenges that are being advanced to the SCOTUS.
Please tell me you aren't being genuine with this thought process.[/QUOTE]

You have an actual, articulate critique of my post or just going to ask rhetorical questions?


Yes, I'm genuine. Law schools across the country don't pay 4-5-6 people a handsome salary to come in and tell students "the libs vote for lib causes and these new conservatives are mushy so sometimes they find their way to the lib causes, except Scalia and Thomas, the cons can count on those fellas."

As far as the challenges coming up, yes they've been generally conservative challenges to passed laws. There was an article about it that I read earlier this year, but can't seem to find right now. I'll look again later tonight when I have time.
 
This is why I say conservatives are reactionary. . . however I'm curious if there has ever been a liberal justice who has voted with conservatives on a big supreme court case and how liberals reacted to that.

Essentially all Roberts did was vote and write the opinion that the ACA is constitutional and interpret it the way congress ment for it to be understood. And he's entirely right on that.

Conservatives just lost their freaking minds over the ACA even though it's the most free market health care idea that actually accomplishes something. Even now many of them are still losing their minds over it and claiming it's a disaster.

I have marketplace insurance. . . I assure you it's not a disaster. It's probably one of the most genuinely helpful pieces of legislation that's come across in the last decade. It could use work, I don't believe that certain details of the legislation are entirely fair. But it's given people access to healthcare who otherwise would not have it.

Weather or not the ACA accomplished anything is irrelevant. What the ACA has no established is that the Federal government can now require people to purchase something. What if the government makes everyone buy an AK47?
 
Another way to look at it is that there is almost no question how Ginsberg and the three others will vote on any given case. It is pretty much lock step democratic. How would dems react if Ginsberg ruled in favor of abortion restrictions?

I agree with the thought that the President's ability to nominate judges is the most overlooked, and possibly most consequential, part of a presidential election.


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