Think of the Luck involved for Virginia in their Last 3 games

[Franisdaman]

Yes. Virginia is very good.

But they were also very lucky in their last 3 games.

A summary of the luck involved in their last 3 games:

1) Vs Purdue in the Elite 8: Purdue was up 2. With just a few seconds left in regulation, the ball gets tapped all the way to the back court, the 5'9 speedy Virginia freshman PG gets it, races up the court, finds the blonde, who puts up a jump shot right before time expires to tie the game & force OT.

Virginia then beats Purdue in OT.

2) Vs Auburn in the Final 4: Auburn is up 62-60 with just seconds left in the game. Lets face it. If that double dribble is called on Virginia's Jerome, it is Auburn's ball with less than 3 seconds left & all Auburn has to do is inbound the ball & Auburn wins.

Please watch this video. I can see why the ref might have missed the very split second jersey grab. NOTE that Gene Serratore (the former official & Current Rules Analyst for CBS) does NOT bring up the jersey grab. However, the missed double dribble? Gene does bring that up. That's inexcusable. The refs have one job and part of that is to know what a double dribble is.

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Instead of the double dribble being called and Auburn inbounding the ball, Virginia keeps the ball. Guy then gets fouled with .6 seconds left on the 3 point shot & the ref does not swallow his whistle! Guy makes all 3 FTs and Virginia wins, 63-62.

3) Vs Texas Tech in the Title game: Texas Tech is up 68-65 with under 15 seconds to go in the game. All Texas Tech needs is ONE defensive stop. Instead, Virginia hits the 3, the game goes to OT & Virginia wins.

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This is CBS' take on how lucky Virginia was: https://www.cbssports.com/college-b...-breakdown-virginias-victory-over-texas-tech/

As you will see, the CBS reporter says Purdue should have beaten Virginia when they fouled and were up 3.

However, for the Texas Tech game, they say you don't foul when up 3 until there is around 10 seconds left in the game. Instead, force the shooters off the 3 line and force a 2 point shot.

 

[bansheexyz]

The luckiest thing Virginia did was against Purdue. Matt Painter was the only coach to do the correct thing (fouling instead of giving 3pt attempts) and somehow ended up losing anyway on a miracle sequence that is like 1% chance to pull off.

The next two teams have dumb coaches that screwed up. Remember, Auburn was up 61-57 with 12 seconds left. They did NOT foul, they gave up a 3, then made 1 FT, then gave up another three and lost in regulation.

Again, Texas Tech up 3 with 12 seconds left. Their best chance of winning is to foul. They didn't foul. Surprise, Virginia makes a 3. In fact, Tech's defense collapsed the paint to stop a 2, leaving the 3 pt shooter wide open.

 

[ChiHawk21]

What’s your point? Many considered Iowa to be the luckiest team in the NCAA just a few short weeks ago. Far too often is luck the justification for a villain’s success. UVA is a darn good team, and they have proved that.

 

[papabeef]

Yes. Virginia is good. But consider the luck involved in their last 3 games:

1) Vs Purdue in the Elite 8: Purdue was up 2. With just a few seconds left in regulation, the ball gets tapped all the way to the back court, the 5'9 speedy Virginia freshman PG gets it, races up the court, finds the blonde, who puts up a jump shot right before time expires to tie the game & force OT.

Virginia then beats Purdue in OT.

2) Vs Auburn in the Final 4: Auburn is up 62-60 with just seconds left in the game. Lets face it. If that double dribble is called on Virginia's Jerome, it is Auburn's ball with less than 3 seconds left & all Auburn has to do is inbound the ball & Auburn wins.

Instead, Virginia keeps the ball. Guy then gets fouled with .6 seconds left on the 3 point shot & the ref does not swallow his whistle! Guy makes all 3 FTs and Virginia wins, 63-62.

3) Vs Texas Tech in the Title game: Texas Tech is up 68-65 with under 15 seconds to go in the game. All Texas Tech needs is ONE defensive stop. Instead, Virginia hits the 3, the game goes to OT & Virginia wins.

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what about the shirt grab that has been clearly shown before the double dribble on the dribbler ?

 

[blockm2]

to win a championship you both have to be good and lucky

 

[CanadaHawk]

Luckiest NCAA Tournament team ever: NC State in 1983. Game after game of last second wins until beating Akeem Olajuwon and Houston in possibly the most dramatic finals game ever... But they earned it.

 

[83Hawk]

The good teams make their own luck.

As for the double dribble that people keep making a fuss about.....
I have seen similar situations many times, this year and in the past. Double dribble is rarely called (if at all) in the games I have seen. It may technically be a double dribble according to the rules, but it just doesn’t get called. Like palming.

 

[HawkIDrummer]

1 and 3 aren't luck....they're great plays. That's how you win a title.

 

[Franisdaman]

The luckiest thing Virginia did was against Purdue. Matt Painter was the only coach to do the correct thing (fouling instead of giving 3pt attempts) and somehow ended up losing anyway on a miracle sequence that is like 1% chance to pull off.

The next two teams have dumb coaches that screwed up. Remember, Auburn was up 61-57 with 12 seconds left. They did NOT foul, they gave up a 3, then made 1 FT, then gave up another three and lost in regulation.

Again, Texas Tech up 3 with 12 seconds left. Their best chance of winning is to foul. They didn't foul. Surprise, Virginia makes a 3. In fact, Tech's defense collapsed the paint to stop a 2, leaving the 3 pt shooter wide open.

Agree with your Purdue assessment. Virginia was extremely lucky to get the ball after it was tapped all the way into the other half of the court, advance it, make a pass AND get a shot off

I am sure Purdue fans still wonder how the hell they lost that game

And why Texas Tech did not foul when up 3 with just 15 secs to go in the game is a head scratcher.

 

[24 so far]

There have been some teams over the years that were just too damn good to be stopped. But most of the time, you have to be really good, and a little to a lot, lucky.

In Virginia's case this year, they were certainly both good and lucky. But the one thing I would take away the most........they made the plays when the game was on the line, on multiple occasions, and that's why they're the National Champions.

 

[Franisdaman]

what about the shirt grab that has been clearly shown before the double dribble on the dribbler ?

Please watch this video. I can see why the ref might have missed the very split second jersey grab. NOTE that Gene Serratore (the former official & Current Rules analyst for CBS) does NOT bring up the jersey grab. However, the missed double dribble? Gene does bring that up. That's inexcusable. The refs have one job and part of that is to know what a double dribble is.

Watch:



Instead of the double dribble being called and Auburn inbounding the ball, Virginia keeps the ball. Guy then gets fouled with .6 seconds left on the 3 point shot & the ref does not swallow his whistle! Guy makes all 3 FTs and Virginia wins, 63-62.

 

[HawkGem11]

Virginia had some luck for sure, but also had the refs 100% behind them!

 

[destewart]

what about the shirt grab that has been clearly shown before the double dribble on the dribbler ?

Obviously if that foul is called it renders the double dribble debate moot.

 

[VicHawkeye]

The double dribble no call was a travesty. If they continue to disregard this violation this game will become hardwood rugby. Why bother to dribble at all?

I understand that it's rarely called but normally there's debatable contact with the ball by an opponent. This was not the case in the Auburn game. Enforce the rule or get rid of it. After this blown non-call the right thing was for the refs to muzzle their whistle for that last shot.

Basketball is getting really ugly with the constant grabbing, slapping and bumping. They could've called a foul on virtually every possession. Bodies were flying everywhere and usually slamming into other bodies.

I'd like to see the refs start calling all the fouls, all the travels (especially when two teammates both possess the ball- automatic), palming/carrying, double dribble, 3 seconds in the lane.

Let's tone down the rugby and bring back basketball.

 

[Titanhawk2]

Odd series -

Tennessee beats Iowa in OT
Purdue beats Tennessee in OT
Virginia beats Purdue in OT
Virginia tied with Auburn with 1 second left (then the 3rd FT is made to win)
Virginia beats TT in OT

 

[83Hawk]

The double dribble no call was a travesty. If they continue to disregard this violation this game will become hardwood rugby. Why bother to dribble at all?

I understand that it's rarely called but normally there's debatable contact with the ball by an opponent. This was not the case in the Auburn game. Enforce the rule or get rid of it. After this blown non-call the right thing was for the refs to muzzle their whistle for that last shot.

Basketball is getting really ugly with the constant grabbing, slapping and bumping. They could've called a foul on virtually every possession. Bodies were flying everywhere and usually slamming into other bodies.

I'd like to see the refs start calling all the fouls, all the travels (especially when two teammates both possess the ball- automatic), palming/carrying, double dribble, 3 seconds in the lane.

Let's tone down the rugby and bring back basketball.

Oh, I agree.

Call every foul. Every violation. Every second of the game. “But”.....the naysayers will say...”teams would have everybody foul out and the games would take 4 hours”. So???? Start calling the grabs and bumping and guess what? Teams would stop doing it. Call palming and guess what? Players will quit doing it.

Unfortunately the officials don’t have the guts to do this. And if they did they would be out of a job.

 

[VicHawkeye]

Exactly, call it by the book and players and teams will adjust.

 

[IowaNiceHawk]

Winners would say that you Make your own Luck, most of the time.

Wahooooooooooo !!

 

[anon_i8nzeu2gbf0ba]

How is it making your own luck when the official does NOT call double dribble but DOES call a foul on the 3-point shot? Yes, there are times when you make your own good fortune, but "luck" is, by definition, something that happens--good or bad--that is beyond your control. The other team misses open shots, misses FTs, and you win as a result. Well, that's luck.

Officials call, or don't call, obvious violations. That's luck.

Ronnie Lester gets hurt in the NCAA semis and derails Iowa's legitimate shot at a national title in 1980. The talent was there. The good luck was not.

If Virginia's Guy gets hurt early in the semis, does Virginia even make the championship game?

Most people would agree that most championships are a combination of talent and good luck. Virginia is the latest example.

 

[HawkeyeDenny]

Odd series -

Tennessee beats Iowa in OT
Purdue beats Tennessee in OT
Virginia beats Purdue in OT
Virginia tied with Auburn with 1 second left (then the 3rd FT is made to win)
Virginia beats TT in OT

...Iowa could have been National Champs... we were right there..!!

 

[GT Hawkaholic]

First off: You have to give credit where e remarkable plays to win games. Let's remove the luck of how hard it is to shoot 100% in the final possession of each game and consider the luck it took just to be in those spots. If any ONE of these things happen in any game, they are done.

Purdue goes to the line with under 10 seconds to go and a great FT shooter Cline misses one to go up 4 and seal the game. Odds of OT in that moment in time? Let's say 5%.

Auburn is up 4 with TWO FOULS TO GIVE and 8 seconds to play. If they simply foul like any sane coach would, the game was over. Let's putt odds of OT at that moment in time at 5% (probably high).

Texas Tech is up 3 with under 15 seconds to go. Again, a coaching blunder to not foul but let's put the odds that Virginia takes and makes a 3 to tie at 35%.

If you take .05 x .05 x .35, it would give them less than a 1/1000 chance that they'd even get all 3 games to overtime, much less win. It truly was a once in a lifetime run with incredible luck

 

[NevadaHawk]

to win a championship you both have to be good and lucky

Hayden Fry used to say, any champion who says they were not lucky is lying. Virginia is both good and lucky.

 

[Ronman]

I'd love to see the refs make calls to stop the physical contact they're now allowing, but if the refs start calling palming, the game of basketball as we know it will vanish.

 

[pablow]

First off: You have to give credit where e remarkable plays to win games. Let's remove the luck of how hard it is to shoot 100% in the final possession of each game and consider the luck it took just to be in those spots. If any ONE of these things happen in any game, they are done.

Purdue goes to the line with under 10 seconds to go and a great FT shooter Cline misses one to go up 4 and seal the game. Odds of OT in that moment in time? Let's say 5%.

Auburn is up 4 with TWO FOULS TO GIVE and 8 seconds to play. If they simply foul like any sane coach would, the game was over. Let's putt odds of OT at that moment in time at 5% (probably high).

Texas Tech is up 3 with under 15 seconds to go. Again, a coaching blunder to not foul but let's put the odds that Virginia takes and makes a 3 to tie at 35%.

If you take .05 x .05 x .35, it would give them less than a 1/1000 chance that they'd even get all 3 games to overtime, much less win. It truly was a once in a lifetime run with incredible luck

You go down to the wire with Duke or Virginia, you got a least a 50% chance you're losing - probably higher.

 

[Franisdaman]

The double dribble no call was a travesty. If they continue to disregard this violation this game will become hardwood rugby. Why bother to dribble at all?

I understand that it's rarely called but normally there's debatable contact with the ball by an opponent. This was not the case in the Auburn game. Enforce the rule or get rid of it. After this blown non-call the right thing was for the refs to muzzle their whistle for that last shot.

Basketball is getting really ugly with the constant grabbing, slapping and bumping. They could've called a foul on virtually every possession. Bodies were flying everywhere and usually slamming into other bodies.

I'd like to see the refs start calling all the fouls, all the travels (especially when two teammates both possess the ball- automatic), palming/carrying, double dribble, 3 seconds in the lane.

Let's tone down the rugby and bring back basketball.

Gene Serratore almost sounded embarrassed when he explained on national TV how the officials missed the double dribble.

Again, Gene did not bring up the "jersey grab," which a few people out there bring up.

Instead, Gene says Auburn should have received the ball, up 62-60. If Auburn then simply inbounds the ball, they (and not UVA) advance to the National Championship game.

So, yes, Virginia was lucky.

And I agree, too, that the refs normally muzzle their whistle for that last shot. This time they didn't. The question then becomes, why isn't the game called consistently by ALL REFS no matter when the foul occurs? Instead of Auburn winning with no time on the clock, UVA shoots 3 FTs to win the game.

So, yes, Virginia was lucky for a 2nd time in the closing seconds of ONE game..

 

[Franisdaman]

Oh, I agree.

Call every foul. Every violation. Every second of the game. “But”.....the naysayers will say...”teams would have everybody foul out and the games would take 4 hours”. So???? Start calling the grabs and bumping and guess what? Teams would stop doing it. Call palming and guess what? Players will quit doing it.

Unfortunately the officials don’t have the guts to do this. And if they did they would be out of a job.

And Izzo would be raising holy hell

 

[Franisdaman]

How is it making your own luck when the official does NOT call double dribble but DOES call a foul on the 3-point shot?

I agree with you. That's why I say Virginia got lucky twice in this one game. UVA did not make their our own luck when the official does NOT call the double dribble but DOES call a foul on the 3-point shot.

 

[papabeef]

The double dribble no call was a travesty. If they continue to disregard this violation this game will become hardwood rugby. Why bother to dribble at all?

I understand that it's rarely called but normally there's debatable contact with the ball by an opponent. This was not the case in the Auburn game. Enforce the rule or get rid of it. After this blown non-call the right thing was for the refs to muzzle their whistle for that last shot.

Basketball is getting really ugly with the constant grabbing, slapping and bumping. They could've called a foul on virtually every possession. Bodies were flying everywhere and usually slamming into other bodies.

I'd like to see the refs start calling all the fouls, all the travels (especially when two teammates both possess the ball- automatic), palming/carrying, double dribble, 3 seconds in the lane.

Let's tone down the rugby and bring back basketball.

you need to understand at the time they did not realize they missed the DD and if they did not call the foul as obvious as it was you would be bitching even more .

 

[papabeef]

Please watch this video. I can see why the ref might have missed the very split second jersey grab. NOTE that Gene Serratore (the former official & Current Rules analyst for CBS) does NOT bring up the jersey grab. However, the missed double dribble? Gene does bring that up. That's inexcusable. The refs have one job and part of that is to know what a double dribble is.

Watch:

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Instead of the double dribble being called and Auburn inbounding the ball, Virginia keeps the ball. Guy then gets fouled with .6 seconds left on the 3 point shot & the ref does not swallow his whistle! Guy makes all 3 FTs and Virginia wins, 63-62.

not sure how the ref misses the shirt grab , his head is right there in the pic looking at the play .

 

[Franisdaman]

The luckiest thing Virginia did was against Purdue. Matt Painter was the only coach to do the correct thing (fouling instead of giving 3pt attempts) and somehow ended up losing anyway on a miracle sequence that is like 1% chance to pull off.

The next two teams have dumb coaches that screwed up. Remember, Auburn was up 61-57 with 12 seconds left. They did NOT foul, they gave up a 3, then made 1 FT, then gave up another three and lost in regulation.

Again, Texas Tech up 3 with 12 seconds left. Their best chance of winning is to foul. They didn't foul. Surprise, Virginia makes a 3. In fact, Tech's defense collapsed the paint to stop a 2, leaving the 3 pt shooter wide open.

This is CBS' take on how lucky Virginia was: https://www.cbssports.com/college-b...-breakdown-virginias-victory-over-texas-tech/

As you will see, the CBS reporter says Purdue should have beaten Virginia when they fouled and were up 3.

However, for the Texas Tech game, they say you don't foul when up 3 until there is around 10 seconds left in the game. Instead, force the shooters off the 3 line and force a 2 point shot.

 

[Hawksfor3]

the 5'9 speedy Virginia freshman PG gets it, races up the court, finds the blonde

TMI.

 

[JAMAM]

The games have to be close for luck to push you over the hump. Luck isn't going to help much down 25

 

[walleye hunter16]

Simply shows how razor thin the chances of winning a championship are for the vast majority of teams.

 

[kcgolfer]

Yes, UVA is good. They could have lost either Final Four game but didn't. Champions make plays, officials be damned.

With that said, Auburn got screwed royally. Double dribble not called. Unbelievable.

 

[Franisdaman]

Simply shows how razor thin the chances of winning a championship are for the vast majority of teams.

Look at this picture, which shows no time left in regulation. Virginia Cavaliers forward Mamadi Diakite is mobbed by his teammates after beating the buzzer to tie the game and force OT.

Somehow Purdue lost its 3 point lead with just seconds to go in regulation.

Purdue was on its way to its first Final Four since 1980.

Instead, UVA would win in the extra session to advance to the Final Four for the first time since 1984.

 

[destewart]

This is CBS' take on how lucky Virginia was: https://www.cbssports.com/college-b...-breakdown-virginias-victory-over-texas-tech/

As you will see, the CBS reporter says Purdue should have beaten Virginia when they fouled and were up 3.

However, for the Texas Tech game, they say you don't foul when up 3 until there is around 10 seconds left in the game. Instead, force the shooters off the 3 line and force a 2 point shot.

Three things about the Purdue game nobody is talking about. In first half Wheeler hit a trey at the expiration of the shot clock. A official scored the basket and they reviewed the play on the monitor and overruled the call and disallowed the basket. Video replay showed the red light had not gone off when the ball left his finger tips. In the tip back of the missed Virginia free throw with under six seconds the clock did not start with Diakate tipped it and did not start until the ball was almost to half court. Remember that Diakate’s shot just beat the buzzer. Finally, before Edwards’ pass to Cline sailed out of bounds replay showed he was fouled by the Virginia defender. Hey, we lost but Virginia dodged more buckets, more missed whistles and more scorekeeper’s errors in those three games than most coaches get in a lifetime. Tony Bennett is a greate coach and a better human being.

 

[Franisdaman]

Three things about the Purdue game nobody is talking about. In first half Wheeler hit a trey at the expiration of the shot clock. A official scored the basket and they reviewed the play on the monitor and overruled the call and disallowed the basket. Video replay showed the red light had not gone off when the ball left his finger tips. In the tip back of the missed Virginia free throw with under six seconds the clock did not start with Diakate tipped it and did not start until the ball was almost to half court. Remember that Diakate’s shot just beat the buzzer. Finally, before Edwards’ pass to Cline sailed out of bounds replay showed he was fouled by the Virginia defender. Hey, we lost but Virginia dodged more buckets, more missed whistles and more scorekeeper’s errors in those three games than most coaches get in a lifetime. Tony Bennett is a greate coach and a better human being.

I feel for ya.

Purdue could just as easily been National Champion.