This is what shutting down NIH means...

[tarheelbybirth]

Like I said, you can fund your own institute. Unlike your forum bleating, someone finally decided to hack the detritus. Good for them.

Guess it wasn't your last post, after all. We DO fund out own institute, dumbass. That's the POINT.

Tell you what, when Big Pharma starts funding basic research and DOESN'T jack the price of drugs sky-high to pay for it, you might have a point somewhere other than on your head.

 

[ft254]

Yay the NIH fuels the poisons we put into our bodies rather than promote healthy living, healthy foods, vitamins, exercise, etc.

The problem with “the science” is the only answers they have are take this pill or take this shot.

We would have to take a lot fewer drugs if we lived healthier lives but then how would Pfizer keep making record profits while having complete immunity when they damage or kill someone?

At one point I respected your opinions as much or more than most conservatives on this board. This post indicates my mistaken trust in your values as well as the increasing extremism in your views overall. You are saying categorically scientific, researched preventative medication is poison. This is conspiracy theory nonsense you've picked up from hard right extremists. I would have thought by your history on this board you were above this.

The more polarized we become, the less concerned we are for how well we interact personally, so I'm sure you're not put off by my observations. Still, it's a shame. I'm not by this post trying to aggravate or ignite an argument. We've debated many issues over the years. I just hate to see you regress into the hole that the is not supportable.

 

[KFsdisciple]

At one point I respected your opinions as much or more than most conservatives on this board. This post indicates my mistaken trust in your values as well as the increasing extremism in your views overall. You are saying categorically scientific, researched preventative medication is poison. This is conspiracy theory nonsense you've picked up from hard right extremists. I would have thought by your history on this board you were above this.

The more polarized we become, the less concerned we are for how well we interact personally, so I'm sure you're not put off by my observations. Still, it's a shame. I'm not by this post trying to aggravate or ignite an argument. We've debated many issues over the years. I just hate to see you regress into the hole that the is not supportable.

poison was a poor choice of words, as I know the vast majority of meds are just that... meds that help us when we are sick. (To be fair, I refer to alcohol as poison too, and I like to have some poison during the iowa football games, makes the offense more watchable)

But whenever you hear an ad for a medication, and they start listing off the side effects... when they say this drug might cause X, Y, Z... it's fair to question if the juice is worth the squeeze & anything that you consume that causes more than urination or pooping could loosely be referred to as a poison. If you take an OTC pill for a headache and it destroys your kidneys or your gives you an ulcer., or damages your liver, kills brain cells... I don't know what else you might call it.

 

[IIowaFarmBoy]

In your opinion, how do we get more people to live healthier lives?

Bring back Red dye #4

Your question was about as serious

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

Rip

 

[jneffer]

I'm not suggesting we go crazy and fully fund free food everywhere. But I am suggesting we use federal funds to pay for maybe half of the cost of healthy foods. Meats, fruits, vegetables, milk, and vitamins and gym memberships, and mental health care. Make it to where eating in and healthy is at least on par price wise with eating the bad stuff and could even be less.

If nothing else we can test the theory that people eat the bad stuff because they can't afford the healthy stuff. Let's remove that argument and see if as a nation we lower our obesity rates, which will likely send shockwaves across the medical field as we take better care of our bodies and our minds.

again...i agree that we should be doing this. and in fact...the public health industry spends lots of time, money, and effort trying to get people eating better and being more active...I'm sure they would be thrilled with more federal funds. i'd love to see that get seriously considered by this current administration

the diet issues are certainly impacted by cost, but there are many other factors as well. consumer preferences, time, convenience, access to fresh food, addressing food deserts...these are all things i think the federal govt could and should get more involved with.

but i don't think anyone could argue in good faith that these kinds of things have any chance whatsoever of being seriously considered by this current administration

there are absolutely things our federal government can do better to help improve the health of americans...but taking a sledgehammer to medical research is not one of them.

 

[Titanhawk2]

Funding is one thing, the fact a government bureaucracy "guides" science is terrible

 

[Finance85]

How many drugs have been approved by the FDA and subsequently been taken off the market for being unsafe, or have lost a class action lawsuit for having undisclosed side effects?

Big pharma will survive and spend money on R&D. New drugs may actually become safer if pharma is risking more of their own money. Yeah, I know that's thinking outside the box....

 

[tarheelbybirth]

Funding is one thing, the fact a government bureaucracy "guides" science is terrible

WTF does that even mean?

 

[tarheelbybirth]

How many drugs have been approved by the FDA and subsequently been taken off the market for being unsafe, or have lost a class action lawsuit for having undisclosed side effects?

Big pharma will survive and spend money on R&D. New drugs may actually become safer if pharma is risking more of their own money. Yeah, I know that's thinking outside the box....

It's THEIR studies that establish the actual efficacy and side effects of a drug, you moronic ass.

 

[KFsdisciple]

It's THEIR studies that establish the actual efficacy and side effects of a drug, you moronic ass.

Then why do they suck so badly at this shaft tickler. you should consider changing your handle on here to dickbeat by birth.

 

[Finance85]

It's THEIR studies that establish the actual efficacy and side effects of a drug, you moronic ass.

I know that. Insults is all you have. You actually prove my point. It's the Pharma studies that are reviewed by the FDA. How's that model working out?

 

[KFsdisciple]

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has the job of preserving the public health of all U.S. consumers through the regulation of a myriad of potential health risks; this includes human and veterinary drugs, biological products, medical devices, food, cosmetics, and products that emit radiation.

While the FDA’s mission is to protect consumers, many previously-approved items have resulted in recalls, long-term injuries, and lawsuits, calling into question the efficacy of their approval process.

Drugs alone have averaged 1,284 recalls per year since 2012. The continued frequency of FDA recalls has sparked both skepticism and scrutiny from the public. This comprehensive study will take a more granular look at FDA recall process since 2012 up until now.

We cover which firms experience the most recalls, how the FDA’s adverse events reporting system relates to drug recalls, and how you as a consumer can report injuries from the medical treatment you’ve been given.

Link to FDA Study

 

[GOHOX69]

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has the job of preserving the public health of all U.S. consumers through the regulation of a myriad of potential health risks; this includes human and veterinary drugs, biological products, medical devices, food, cosmetics, and products that emit radiation.

While the FDA’s mission is to protect consumers, many previously-approved items have resulted in recalls, long-term injuries, and lawsuits, calling into question the efficacy of their approval process.

Drugs alone have averaged 1,284 recalls per year since 2012. The continued frequency of FDA recalls has sparked both skepticism and scrutiny from the public. This comprehensive study will take a more granular look at FDA recall process since 2012 up until now.

We cover which firms experience the most recalls, how the FDA’s adverse events reporting system relates to drug recalls, and how you as a consumer can report injuries from the medical treatment you’ve been given.

Link to FDA Study

There are lots of garbage drugs out there, and some that are borderline lethal. I'm in the industry and would agree with you.

 

[MichaelKeller99]

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has the job of preserving the public health of all U.S. consumers through the regulation of a myriad of potential health risks; this includes human and veterinary drugs, biological products, medical devices, food, cosmetics, and products that emit radiation.

While the FDA’s mission is to protect consumers, many previously-approved items have resulted in recalls, long-term injuries, and lawsuits, calling into question the efficacy of their approval process.

Drugs alone have averaged 1,284 recalls per year since 2012. The continued frequency of FDA recalls has sparked both skepticism and scrutiny from the public. This comprehensive study will take a more granular look at FDA recall process since 2012 up until now.

We cover which firms experience the most recalls, how the FDA’s adverse events reporting system relates to drug recalls, and how you as a consumer can report injuries from the medical treatment you’ve been given.

Link to FDA Study

Considering how many people acetaminophen (Tylenol) kills and hospitalizes every year - and that it has no curative properties - is there any sane reason it should still be on the market IF the FDA actually took its job seriously?

 

[jneffer]

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has the job of preserving the public health of all U.S. consumers through the regulation of a myriad of potential health risks; this includes human and veterinary drugs, biological products, medical devices, food, cosmetics, and products that emit radiation.

While the FDA’s mission is to protect consumers, many previously-approved items have resulted in recalls, long-term injuries, and lawsuits, calling into question the efficacy of their approval process.

Drugs alone have averaged 1,284 recalls per year since 2012. The continued frequency of FDA recalls has sparked both skepticism and scrutiny from the public. This comprehensive study will take a more granular look at FDA recall process since 2012 up until now.

We cover which firms experience the most recalls, how the FDA’s adverse events reporting system relates to drug recalls, and how you as a consumer can report injuries from the medical treatment you’ve been given.

Link to FDA Study

it would be interesting to see a more detailed breakdown of those recalls

because some are related to mislabeling or cross-contamination on the part of the manufacturer

how many of those recalls are for approvals issued by the FDA that turned out to improper and/or had to be rescinded?

 

[tarheelbybirth]

I know that. Insults is all you have. You actually prove my point. It's the Pharma studies that are reviewed by the FDA. How's that model working out?

I've got nothing else but insults at this point. Watching dumbasses defend ANYTHING Trump does just because he's Trump is not conducive to civil conversation. It's sickening to watch you debase yourself and I'm done excusing your willful self-humiliation.

As for the rest, you know it now because I pointed it out. And the FDA can only review what BP turns over to them. You want me to flood you with stories of drug companies hiding studies that didn't show what they wanted? Look up Risperdal. Look up Avandia. Look up Zolgensma. Now tell me how many in senior management in those companies went to jail for fraud.

 

[KFsdisciple]

I've got nothing else but insults at this point. Watching dumbasses defend ANYTHING Trump does just because he's Trump is not conducive to civil conversation. It's sickening to watch you debase yourself and I'm done excusing your willful self-humiliation.

another great example of the tolerant and diverse left who are always so concerned about tolerance, love is love, and diversity of looks and views.

You should seek help, before you shoot up a school or something.

 

[KFsdisciple]

it would be interesting to see a more detailed breakdown of those recalls

because some are related to mislabeling or cross-contamination on the part of the manufacturer

how many of those recalls are for approvals issued by the FDA that turned out to improper and/or had to be rescinded?

I left you the link I pulled that from, and the answers you seek seem to be there.

 

[jneffer]

I left you the link I pulled that from, and the answers you seek seem to be there.

i looked through that link and didn't see anything discussing that distinction

 

[tarheelbybirth]

another great example of the tolerant and diverse left who are always so concerned about tolerance, love is love, and diversity of looks and views.

You should seek help, before you shoot up a school or something.

I’ve never tolerated lying, psychopathic, idiots nor those who blindly defend them. I’m not starting now.

As for "tolerance" and "love" and "diversity of views"...coming from the guy who posted this about Fauci...

Screw prison, when does he get executed

...yeah...I'm not likely to take you seriously on the subject. If anyone is going to shoot up a school, it would be the guy calling for the execution of a dedicated public servant.

 

[KFsdisciple]

I’ve never tolerated lying, psychopathic, idiots nor those who blindly defend them. I’m not starting now.

As for "tolerance" and "love" and "diversity of views"...coming from the guy who posted this about Fauci...



...yeah...I'm not likely to take you seriously on the subject. If anyone is going to shoot up a school, it would be the guy calling for the execution of a dedicated public servant.

Only after a fair trial of course

 

[Joes Place]

What about vaccines @Joes Place ?

It means if H5N1 starts killing people at a 10-30% mortality rate, mRNA vaccines will be in Canada long before we can get them here.

 

[Joes Place]

I have 2 conditions I take pills for. Epilepsy and essential tremors. Neither of which could be treated or have been prevented with a healthier lifestyle.

Yeahbut.....have you tried hydroxycholorquin or ivermectin???

 

[Joes Place]

What caused your condition; could it possibly have been a Big Pharma drug or injection?

NO

 

[KFsdisciple]

Yeahbut.....have you tried hydroxycholorquin or ivermectin???

Look at Joe still pushing drugs on people. No attempt to address the cause.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

Look at Joe still pushing drugs on people. No attempt to address the cause.

lol…you go to the hospital with a raging infection. They diagnose sepsis. Would you rather they treat you with antibiotics immediately or spend their time looking for the cause? Just so you know, in about 50% of cases, they never determine what causes sepsis. Pass on the antibiotics and you’ll likely die.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

Well, he deleted his post before I could respond but @GOHOX69 just tried to tell us that sepsis isn’t treated with antibiotics…which would be news to every doctor with any ethics.

Hospital Treatment for Sepsis

Sepsis is a life-threatening condition that requires immediate medical attention. Treatment in a hospital typically involves the following:

1. Intravenous Antibiotics:

• Antibiotics are administered directly into the bloodstream to combat the underlying infection

 

[GOHOX69]

Well, he deleted his post before I could respond but @GOHOX69 just tried to tell us that sepsis isn’t treated with antibiotics…which would be news to every doctor with any ethics.

Hospital Treatment for Sepsis

Sepsis is a life-threatening condition that requires immediate medical attention. Treatment in a hospital typically involves the following:

1. Intravenous Antibiotics:

• Antibiotics are administered directly into the bloodstream to combat the underlying infection

Nuance isn't your forte so I knew you'd post this. If I were you, I would seek to reduce your bp. And add some fiber in your diet. You are one agro person. Seek help.

Why Antibiotic Treatment Is Not Enough for Sepsis Resolution: an Evaluation in an Experimental Animal Model - PMC

Sepsis remains a major health problem at the levels of mortality, morbidity, and economic burden to the health care system, a condition that is aggravated by the development of secondary conditions such as septic shock and multiple-organ failure. ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Joes Place]

Well, he deleted his post before I could respond but @GOHOX69 just tried to tell us that sepsis isn’t treated with antibiotics…which would be news to every doctor with any ethics.

Hospital Treatment for Sepsis

Sepsis is a life-threatening condition that requires immediate medical attention. Treatment in a hospital typically involves the following:

1. Intravenous Antibiotics:

• Antibiotics are administered directly into the bloodstream to combat the underlying infection

FUNFACT: Sepsis and infection account for about 1-in-7 pregnancy related deaths. Which - as the GOP eliminates abortion as a necessary treatment for non-viable and problem pregnancies - is only going to go up.

 

[GOHOX69]

FUNFACT: Sepsis and infection account for about 1-in-7 pregnancy related deaths. Which - as the GOP eliminates abortion as a necessary treatment for non-viable and problem pregnancies - is only going to go up.

Why not run for office? Seriously. You'd have more reach.

 

[Joes Place]

Why not run for office? Seriously. You'd have more reach.

❓

 

[GOHOX69]

❓

Your posts on here, while interesting, don't reach much of an audience. Try a bigger platform. Perhaps you and that other guy can run a federal agency and do budgetting? I'd be down with that.

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

In your opinion, how do we get more people to live healthier lives?

 

[tarheelbybirth]

Why not run for office? Seriously. You'd have more reach.

No comment on your claim that sepsis isn’t treated with antibiotics? That’s certainly something that needs to be communicated to all hospitals.

 

[GOHOX69]

No comment on your claim that sepsis isn’t treated with antibiotics? That’s certainly something that needs to be communicated to all hospitals.

Google LPS sometime. It's a great day. Cheer ip sunshine. Tata.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

Google LPS sometime. It's a great day. Cheer ip sunshine. Tata.

Strike as non-responsive.

 

[GOHOX69]

Strike as non-responsive.

Reading is fundamental. Enjoy your one source of validation.

 

[Joes Place]

 

[Hans81]

So this falls on teachers and educators. Good to know.

Isn’t that called “Human Health” class?