This might be a little tougher than Putin thought...
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I love this thread but tweets like this tell us literally nothing. Post after post of Ukraine destroyed a couple tanks and captured a “settlement”. WTF is a settlement?
If you look at the big map…there just isn’t much movement.
In regards to Ukraine we get no real good data on the military casualties they are taking.
The comments by Milley a couple weeks ago when he said Ukraine has taken basically equal casualties to Russia was eye opening. Wouldn’t gather that from this thread or most of the reporting in the media.
I’m sure folks will take this post in the wrong way but…..my point is it’s pretty difficult to get a accurate read on the current military situation in the war. That’s because most of the folks reporting have some skin in the game and a rooting interest one way or the other.
Still a long way to go in this war
Interactive Map: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
This interactive map complements the static control-of-terrain maps that ISW daily produces with high-fidelity.
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Yeah, slow day as far as news. Hoping this is an example of a death by a thousand cuts as Ukraine slowly advances in the East.I love this thread but tweets like this tell us literally nothing. Post after post of Ukraine destroyed a couple tanks and captured a “settlement”. WTF is a settlement?
If you look at the big map…there just isn’t much movement.
In regards to Ukraine we get no real good data on the military casualties they are taking.
The comments by Milley a couple weeks ago when he said Ukraine has taken basically equal casualties to Russia was eye opening. Wouldn’t gather that from this thread or most of the reporting in the media.
I’m sure folks will take this post in the wrong way but…..my point is it’s pretty difficult to get a accurate read on the current military situation in the war. That’s because most of the folks reporting have some skin in the game and a rooting interest one way or the other.
Still a long way to go in this war
Interactive Map: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
This interactive map complements the static control-of-terrain maps that ISW daily produces with high-fidelity.
If the casualty figures Milley talked about were classified-he should be in trouble. His recent comments almost make one wonder if he is more concerned with his Russian counterparts losing face and not with Ukraine winning.
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Called it, local Ukraine twitter accounts are down in part because of power outages and lack of internet.
I don’t have an Elon-fanbois mindset wherein I view events through whether or not I like a character in history.
Facts don’t fanbois.
There was not a legal impeachment of the elected president.
If MAGA protested the policy decisions of Biden after the 2022 midterms, and the Proud Boys pour into DC and begin shooting police and protestors alike while taking over government buildings for days and weeks until Biden, Pelosi and Schumer flee for their lives, would a less than 2/3rds majority vote in the Senate count as an impeachment and removal under the Constitution, or would you call that a coup?
I have a feeling you still won’t answer this question.
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We’ve covered this before. This thread is 80% cheering on Ukraine success, 10% lamenting Russian war crimes, and 10% fighting about politics as it relates to the war. No one has said this thread is objective, or that small victories in liberating settlements are like freeing Kherson or Kharkiv.I love this thread but tweets like this tell us literally nothing. Post after post of Ukraine destroyed a couple tanks and captured a “settlement”. WTF is a settlement?
If you look at the big map…there just isn’t much movement.
In regards to Ukraine we get no real good data on the military casualties they are taking.
The comments by Milley a couple weeks ago when he said Ukraine has taken basically equal casualties to Russia was eye opening. Wouldn’t gather that from this thread or most of the reporting in the media.
I’m sure folks will take this post in the wrong way but…..my point is it’s pretty difficult to get a accurate read on the current military situation in the war. That’s because most of the folks reporting have some skin in the game and a rooting interest one way or the other.
Still a long way to go in this war
Interactive Map: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
This interactive map complements the static control-of-terrain maps that ISW daily produces with high-fidelity.
Hope the US would stay out of this. It seems like this would be a huge decision if Germany was to make it.
I know the transmission lines will always be vulnerable but wonder if they bury these plants deep in bunkers.
Sad to see Russian stooges on this thread. Pathetic losers.
Russia is the worst. Relatedly, I wonder how long it took for the world to get over what Germany did in WW2. While what Germany did and it’s scale is worse, everything is now recorded in HD and broadcast to the world. Kind of like if you royally f!ck up today it will follow you around and make you virtually unemployable, I wonder if the same thing happens to Russia in terms of trade agreements, treaties, etc…
Think of it this way: Tallahassee is a city, Niceville is a town, Freeport is a settlement. 😎
How To Donate To Ukraine Relief Efforts
Most western powers, including the United States, have imposed heavy economic sanctions on Russia for invading Ukraine, hoping that crippling its economy will slow down or end the war. But as the war presses on, Ukrainian citizens face devastating consequences. Many of us are watching from afar a
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To be honest, if they were old enough to be lurking around with guns, they should have been in Ukraine committing war crimes for Mother Russia. Serves them right.
As you just quoted, 338 votes were required for impeachment. Yanukovich wasn't impeached. The Parliament had a quorum of 328 members, and voted unanimously to remove him. "On 22 February 2014, the Ukrainian parliament voted to remove him from his post and schedule new elections on the grounds that he "has restrained himself from performing his constitutional duties" and effectively resigned,[15] the Constitutional Court held the vote and removal of Yanukovich was legal. Are you seriously claiming to be more of an authority on Ukrainian law than its highest court?
And most importantly, no one seized power, which is, according to your definition, what a coup is: An interim government, led by Arseniy Yatsenyuk, signed the EU association agreement. Snap presidential elections held in Ukraine on 25 May 2014 resulted in Petro Poroshenko being elected President of Ukraine.[3] Originally scheduled to take place on 29 March 2015, the date was changed following the 2014 Ukrainian revolution.[4][5] Poroshenko won the elections with 54.7% of the votes, enough to win in a single round.[1][6] His closest competitor, Yulia Tymoshenko, emerged with 12.81% of the votes.[1] Poroshenko was later defeated by Zelensky in the 2019 presidential election.
There has been two peaceful presidential elections and transfers of power in Ukraine since Yanukovich abandoned his office and moved to Russia. By any measure, it is a functioning democracy. The Kremlin's propaganda you are parroting was created and was used to legitimize Russia's invasions in 2014 and this year. And almost no one around here is buying it.
It's a bullshit analogy. The Ukrainians protesting Yanukovich unilaterally withdrawing from EU association were largely peaceful, until Yanukovich brought in Russian-infiltrated BERKUT militia and ORDERED them to fire on protestors, killing 100, and bringing a further 1m protesters out. Polling after Yanukovich moved to Russia showed only 4.9% of Ukrainians still supported him. His own party members denounced him and refused to vote to keep him in office. BERKUT militia fled and became a unit in the Russian National Guard in Crimea.
So if a “quorum” of GOP Senators vote to “remove” Biden after he flees from murderous Proud Boys who have seized and set fire to government buildings in D.C., and threatened the White House is next if he doesn’t leave office, you’d be ok with that?
That’d pass constitutional muster in your view?
So if our Supreme Court says it’s ok for a “quorum” of Senators to vote to “remove” the President, you’re ok with that? For real?
Think about if the next election cycle brings more GOP Senators, but Trump loses a close election and violence descends on the capitol. Do we you assert that the Congress can make up the rules as they go along, so long as the Supreme Court provides its blessing?
What do you think Victoria Nuland was talking about ‘making stick’ weeks before murderous violence ratcheted up again, and directly threatened the elected president?
It was this interim government if you’re slow on the uptake.
Coups are often followed by interim governments:
Guinea Interim Assembly Holds First Post-Coup Session
February 06, 2022…The U.S. ambassador to Guinea, Troy Fitrell, congratulated the country on the new CNT.
"Work starts today to return democracy to the Guinean people," he wrote in a tweet. "The challenge is to do it in 2022."
It was a functioning democracy before the coup removed a duly elected president.
US coups against democratically elected governments aren’t novel.
EU said the 2010 presidential election was free and fair. These facts are not propaganda just because you can’t cleanly insert them into the neocon interventionist foreign policy narrative that keeps dragging us into wars.
Is this Kremlin propaganda?
THE WASHINGTON POST
9 February 2010
By Philip P. Pan
International monitors on Monday described Ukraine's presidential election as free and fair, putting pressure on Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko to concede defeat despite a tight vote count and charges of irregularities.
Tymoshenko, the heroine of Ukraine's Orange Revolution, canceled a news conference and appeared to be mulling a court challenge as opposition leader Viktor Yanukovych held on to a lead of 3 percentage points with more than 99 percent of votes counted.
BS analogy. Give it up. Only the Kremlin agrees with you. Shouldn’t that give you pause?
It’s less analogy than separate use case in the same context.
I think, like me, you wouldn’t support a ‘quorum’ in Congress voting to ‘remove’ the president if they didn’t have the votes to impeach and convict.
Rule of law isn’t making up the rules as you go along to appease violent mobs.
The legal process to remove the Ukrainian president from office wasn’t used. He fled under threats to his life.
If the Proud Boys take over federal buildings and trade gunfire with the police while threatening to take the White House, would you be ok with a ‘quorum’ in Congress voting to ‘remove’ the president?
If the GOP follows this game plan when they have a ‘quorum’ in the Senate (Article 1, Section 5 puts that at 51 senators) you want to put it on the record now that that wouldn’t constitute a coup?
Putin Puppet delays ratifying Finland & Sweden. For what purpose other than to serve Putin’s interests?
Amazing video and worth the read after watching.
