This might be a little tougher than Putin thought...
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I posted this probably 50 to 100 pages ago, but I like to think of the oblasts and/or axes of conflict as teeth. HIMARS and precision guided munitions start cavities which grow and grow, infecting that tooth and the gums around other teeth, until is mushy and decayed and ready for extraction. It seems that we are somewhere in the early to mid decay/infection process on the east (left) bank of the Kherson oblast, and the infection is working south to the Black Sea. Hoping winter and increased arms pouring in from us/NATO accelerates the process!
Musk is dealing with a chess-f*cking-master jousting with Zelensky...
“If you want to understand what Russia has done here, come to Ukraine and you will see this with your own eyes,” Mr. Zelensky said. “After that, you will tell us how to end this war, who started and when we can end it.”
www.nytimes.com
“If you want to understand what Russia has done here, come to Ukraine and you will see this with your own eyes,” Mr. Zelensky said. “After that, you will tell us how to end this war, who started and when we can end it.”
President Zelensky of Ukraine rebukes Elon Musk’s peace proposal.
Speaking at the DealBook summit, the Ukrainian leader said the billionaire would do well to fully understand the situation before making pronouncements about it.
He said 100k dead? I for sure think 100k total casualties sounds about right. No way 100k dead. War would be over.
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Milley provides highest US estimate yet of Ukraine war casualties
Gen. Mark Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, on Thursday said about 40,000 civilians have been killed in the war in Ukraine, the highest estimate yet from a U.S. official. Speaking …
thehill.com
I think Ukrainian military casualties have been soft peddled in the press…kind of paints a misleading picture.
In this article from the NYT they actually discuss Ukrainian casualties in Bakhmut area….meat grinder for both armies
In Ukraine, Bakhmut Becomes a Bloody Vortex for 2 Militaries
Even as they have celebrated successes elsewhere, Ukrainian forces in one small eastern city have endured relentless Russian attacks. And the struggle to hold it is only intensifying.
You missed the or wounded part.Yes
Third paragraph
Milley provides highest US estimate yet of Ukraine war casualties
Gen. Mark Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, on Thursday said about 40,000 civilians have been killed in the war in Ukraine, the highest estimate yet from a U.S. official. Speaking …thehill.com
I think Ukrainian military casualties have been soft peddled in the press…kind of paints a misleading picture.
In this article from the NYT they actually discuss Ukrainian casualties in Bakhmut area….meat grinder for both armies
In Ukraine, Bakhmut Becomes a Bloody Vortex for 2 Militaries
Even as they have celebrated successes elsewhere, Ukrainian forces in one small eastern city have endured relentless Russian attacks. And the struggle to hold it is only intensifying.
I was just reading my weekly Iowa Farm Bureau newsletter and there was a story about Russia agreeing to extend the Black Sea agreement for another 120 days. What that really means is that Russia knows they can harass some shipping, but could not in a meaningful way stop Ukraine from getting their grain to market.
Wounded are considered casualties and Milley said Ukraine had a similar number of casualties that Russia has sustained…which he estimates at around 100k
Sorry for the mixup
Yeah. See that I could believe and that there are for sure 25-35k dead
The NYT article on Bakhmut paints a pretty stark picture. Truly WW1 type warfare there.
Yep. People don’t grasp how brutal. Lot of wounded and dead for 9 months in a war on one front of one country.
I totally understand Ukraine wanting to keep casualty counts under wraps but if calls to negotiate mount in the coming months….I think that amount of casualties bolsters their argument to keep going.
If you’ve lost that much blood and treasure it strengthens the argument for pressing for victory on your terms.
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The US is now open to providing Patriot systems to Ukraine.
https://apnews.com/article/russia-u...ss-bucharest-1e49bc8660f3d839c3d01ff36e09a370
https://apnews.com/article/russia-u...ss-bucharest-1e49bc8660f3d839c3d01ff36e09a370
The Patriot is an advanced system that requires a lot of training to operate, relatively large crews from what I have read, and need constant monitoring/upkeep to remain fully operational. Like a lot of systems we couldn't just hand them over without setting up optimal conditions for them to be used under. In many instances when the US has deployed these systems US operators went along. That can't happen in Ukraine. So, train Ukrainians in Romania or Poland, or is there the possibility of contractors doing the job?
There is a lot of legitimate concern that the Russians will start using ballistic missiles against Ukraine in their campaign of terror against the civilian population.
There is a lot of legitimate concern that the Russians will start using ballistic missiles against Ukraine in their campaign of terror against the civilian population.
If that turns out to be the case, are you going to be the one to tell them?
Does Jimmy really need to go die to end it? I'm pretty sure the dr's wont let me resubmit to transplant list. But give me a butter knife and access to Putin.....I'll stop the pain for Ukrainians and the world. Always wanted a school named after me 
You should see the version done by the royal Scottish dragoons. Amazing!
I used to listen to this before bball and fball games my senior year in h.s. I was ready to kick ass and take names
Got jittery, sorry, I also played it when I was about to go on a convoy in Baghdad.
Only need to average daily 352 KIA through the end of the year to hit 100K. Down a required 11 daily KIAs from just two days ago, when it was at 363.
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Guess you missed the part where it turned out to not be the case.
Spain said Thursday it was boosting security measures after a series of letter bombs was discovered in the country, including one that was sent to Spain’s prime minister last week.
The latest bomb, sent to an air force base near Madrid, was discovered before dawn Thursday, after one exploded at the Ukrainian embassy in the capital Madrid Wednesday and another was deactivated at an arms manufacturer.
The device addressed to Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez arrived in the post at his official Moncloa compound on November 24 and his security detail singled it out as suspicious. After establishing a security perimeter, they conducted a “controlled explosion” of the envelope, an interior ministry statement said.
The bomb “would be similar, for its features and content” to those received on Wednesday at the Ukrainian embassy in Madrid and at the arms manufacturer Instalaza in Zaragoza, and on Thursday at Spain’s Torrejon air force base near Madrid, the statement said.
The most recent letter bomb was intercepted just before dawn Thursday after being sent to the Torrejon air force base.
Spanish defense ministry officials said a suspicious envelope was detected by a scanner at the base. The scan indicated the envelope could have “some type of mechanism” inside, a statement said. Police were called to the base to analyze the envelope, which was addressed to the Satellite Center at the air base.
The Spanish defence ministry also received a letter bomb addressed to Defense Minister Margarita Robles, the Secretary of State for Security Rafael Perez said Thursday.
Authorities have confirmed five letter bombs have been sent to various offices since the one addressed to Sanchez, according to a statement released by Spain’s interior ministry.
Perez said the letters were likely sent from Spanish territory, and that in four out of the five cases, protection measures worked successfully to neutralize the bombs.
People should remain “calm,” the minister said, and there was no reason yet to justify raising a terror threat.
"And this one too... Army is moving...."
