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This might be a little tougher than Putin thought...

I agree to a point.

Once again...there are those nukes you have to consider. It just complicates things...exponentially. If it wasn't for their nuclear arsenal NATO forces would have obliterated the Russians weeks ago...

A global food crisis and the unrest/death that'd entail may push us to that point of direct confrontation and quite frankly that's a proposition I'd rather not contemplate.
Convoys, Bro. The Turks, as I understand it, are not allowing any military traffic to pass through the Bosporous. Too bad they let those Russian ships in just before the invasion.
That being said, the Turks should use their minesweepers in the Black Sea, and let NATO backfill on the southern end.
 
He has f$&k you money. That's all. Nothing wrong with using it. I do question why he would declare he's voting republican, that'll cost him more than anything. You're a perfect example. Had he not done that, there would be no reason to question his sanity.
This isn't the Elon Musk thread, but as an investor in his companies he has had some stumbles. Calling people pedos and some questionable tweets and financial moves.
 
He has f$&k you money. That's all. Nothing wrong with using it. I do question why he would declare he's voting republican, that'll cost him more than anything. You're a perfect example. Had he not done that, there would be no reason to question his sanity.
Hardly, I've been questioning his sanity for over a year now. His decision making has been erratic and impulsive. Two signs that something is not working right in the head. You don't get to be the richest man on the planet by making impulsive decisions and not thinking things through. It could be as simple as he needs a medication change because he is older. Obviously, I don't know him or see him on a daily basis but from the sidelines it doesn't look good. I don't hate Musk, in fact, I generally respect him because he, more than anyone else, has been pushing us towards an electric economy that can make serious impacts to climate change.

However, becoming a Republican flies in the face of that. Coupled with this wildly irresponsible twitter purchase that is costing him billions, not just for the purchase but for the value of Tesla, he's doesn't appear to be ok.
 
Convoys, Bro. The Turks, as I understand it, are not allowing any military traffic to pass through the Bosporous. Too bad they let those Russian ships in just before the invasion.
That being said, the Turks should use their minesweepers in the Black Sea, and let NATO backfill on the southern end.
That could be a path. Convoys to take grain ect escorted by NATO….dare the Russians to hit them. Be some tense moments in that convoy
 
So Erdogan has officially said NYET to the Scandinavian NATO applications? Hmmm.
No, he wants to be paid off. Before the war NATO was greatly expanding facilities in Greece and Romania, making Turkey less relevant, and he doesn't like that. He wants something. When it's been paid, he'll agree. Sweden and Finland are strong additions.
 
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destroying a Russian infantry fighting vehicle in eastern Ukraine. The invaders were destroyed along with the equipment.


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Lol.

Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia are all former USSR states. They all loathe Russia. Poland was basically a vassal state to the USSR. Loathes Russia.
Those are the three in NATO, there are 14 total. Those 3 have been opposed since joining the USSR way before Putin. They don’t even speak Russian. They identify as Europeans mainly. Ukraine is different. Most of the country speaks Russian (the central and west speak both Russian and Ukrainian typically). The Donbass region speaks only Russian. Many of the people there identify as Russians. Crimea is the same, only Russian. It's very possible the referendum there was legitimate, in terms of the vote.
 
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Yeah, no. I'm not sure you are asking a question or what? I enjoy the back and forth, and general civility of this thread. If it is super important to you to think that you masterfully won some point, go for it.
Haha, that's one way to not answer. Amazing after brining up politics non-stop in the thread some of you guys want to "get back to the topic and be civil" so fast when presented with something that you don't want to discuss.
 
Those are the three in NATO, there are 14 total. Those 3 have been opposed since joining the USSR way before Putin. They don’t even speak Russian. Ukraine is different. Most of the country speaks Russian (the central and west speak both Russian and Ukrainian typically) and the Donbass region speaks only Russian. Many of the people there identify as Russians. Crimea is the same, only Russian. It's very possible the referendum there was legitimate, in terms of the vote.
Sure, Ivan.
 
This story warms my heart. Apparently many are planning to desert on the 26th. Not sure why that particular date. I especially enjoyed this line: “It’s not desertion, because we shouldn’t be on this territory. … We crossed the border as 200s,” he says, using a Russian military term for those killed in battle. “We’re not actually here. So if they say I’m a deserter, f*ck off, I’m not here. Prove otherwise.”

 
This seems like wishful thinking that is ignoring the reality:

LOL. Almost 700 pages and 3 months into war and after all the lies and propaganda now just about everyone can see coming from Russia and Natty Lite is still here pushing a narrative that the Russian economy is fine using data provided by the ****ing Russian Ministry of Finance.
 
This story warms my heart. Apparently many are planning to desert on the 26th. Not sure why that particular date. I especially enjoyed this line: “It’s not desertion, because we shouldn’t be on this territory. … We crossed the border as 200s,” he says, using a Russian military term for those killed in battle. “We’re not actually here. So if they say I’m a deserter, f*ck off, I’m not here. Prove otherwise.”


If Ukraine has that information they shouldn't have released it. Now the Russians will be actively looking for people attempting to desert.
 
Those are the three in NATO, there are 14 total. Those 3 have been opposed since joining the USSR way before Putin. They don’t even speak Russian.
Wrong.

Foreign languages in Lithuania​

Spoken by some 70% of the population, Russian is still the most popular second language in Lithuania, although this is declining.


More than 95 percent of residents of Narva, Estonia, speak Russian, and at least 30 percent carry Russian passports. Every act of Kremlin aggression becomes a flashpoint for the town.


The Russian language is spoken natively by some 37% of Latvia’s population, most of them in the cities and Latgale

 
If Ukraine has that information they shouldn't have released it. Now the Russians will be actively looking for people attempting to desert.
I am sure they have thought through the strategic value of the information, relative to its veracity, more than you or me.
 
The Senate voted Thursday to deliver more than $40 billion in new military and humanitarian assistance to Ukraine, sending the measure to President Biden after a week-long delay sparked by a lone senator’s objection.

The vote was 86-to-11 with all opposition to the package coming from Republicans.
The new package comes as the pipeline of U.S. aid to Ukraine threatens to run dry within days amid a war that has entered a grueling new phase three months after Russia’s initial invasion. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and his western allies are readying for a protracted battle in the east and south of the country lasting months or years to repel Russian President Vladimir Putin’s forces.

 
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Wrong.

Foreign languages in Lithuania​

Spoken by some 70% of the population, Russian is still the most popular second language in Lithuania, although this is declining.


More than 95 percent of residents of Narva, Estonia, speak Russian, and at least 30 percent carry Russian passports. Every act of Kremlin aggression becomes a flashpoint for the town.


The Russian language is spoken natively by some 37% of Latvia’s population, most of them in the cities and Latgale

Okay. It's the most popular 2nd language, not first. I'll admit I thought they didn't admit to speaking Russian, particularly Latvia and Lithuania. The point though was they identify as European and are much different than people in the Donbas and Crimea who identify as Russian. The animosity goes back to the USSR for those 3 (Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia) and precedes Putin.
 
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No, he wants to be paid off. Before the war NATO was greatly expanding facilities in Greece and Romania, making Turkey less relevant, and he doesn't like that. He wants something. When it's been paid, he'll agree. Sweden and Finland are strong additions.

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Turkey hasn't been giving aid to Ukraine. Ukraine started buying the drones on their own before the war.

Erdogan said he wants Sweden and Finland to give up Kurds who have taken refuge there. He also said he wants "weapons systems (purchase of F-35s) unblocked."

He's a bad actor, still playing both sides. He continues to jail over 15k intellectuals and opposition figures without charges. I believe he wants Putin and a Russia that continues to be oppositional to Europe to survive, so Turkey can maintain strategic importance to the EU and the West, and keep receiving aid and handouts.
 
LOL. Almost 700 pages and 3 months into war and after all the lies and propaganda now just about everyone can see coming from Russia and Natty Lite is still here pushing a narrative that the Russian economy is fine using data provided by the ****ing Russian Ministry of Finance.
LOL. Almost 700 pages and 3 months there isn’t anything you can point to as a lie that I have posted.

You want to believe, and would rather believe than lift a finger to find out.
That’s lazy.
And dumb.


Today, Bloomberg confirmed this stunning statistic and, citing the latest IEA report, writes that Russia’s oil revenues are up 50% this year "even as trade restrictions following the invasion of Ukraine spurred many refiners to shun its supplies." Apparently the restrictions - which pushed the price of oil to the highest level in a decade and boosted revenue for oil exporters - is precisely what Putin was hoping for.

Moscow earned roughly $20 billion each month in 2022 from combined sales of crude and products amounting to about 8 million barrels a day, the Paris-based IEA said in its monthly market report.


Can you enlighten us on the propaganda conspiracy you uncovered between the Russians and the IEA?
 
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"In the Donetsk region, the enemy launched an offensive towards Yurivka, suffered losses and withdrew. The racists did not manage to attack Novokalinowa, Pervomajsko and Nowomychajłowka in the offensive. -General Staff of the Armed Forces #ukraine"
 
If nations around the globe start starving, that should be impetus to start sinking Russian ships in the Black Sea, imo.

Can’t let one rogue dictator threaten the global food supply. And you definitely don’t reward him by ceding him territory.
This. Ukraine is not the party at fault for this. They should reject any pressure to settle before their objectives are realized.
 
I agree but the reality is if this gets as bad as I think it will, and is predicted.....and Russia remains obstinate...Ukraine will be pressured to compromise and come to the table. I'm not saying that's necessarily correct...I just think that's where it's heading.

Hope I'm wrong.
Ukraine will obviously reject this pressure. As they should.

If the world wants to prevent a food crisis, the world will need to get creative.
 
Those are the three in NATO, there are 14 total. Those 3 have been opposed since joining the USSR way before Putin. They don’t even speak Russian. They identify as Europeans mainly. Ukraine is different. Most of the country speaks Russian (the central and west speak both Russian and Ukrainian typically). The Donbass region speaks only Russian. Many of the people there identify as Russians. Crimea is the same, only Russian. It's very possible the referendum there was legitimate, in terms of the vote.
The referendum was not legitimate. Any referendum questioning the national sovereignty within internationally recognized borders is illegitimate on its face.
 

Here are the high-end weapons Zelenskyy hopes the new Ukraine aid bill will provide​


"Crow said multiple launch rocket systems would help defend major Ukrainian metropolitan centers from Russian advances while bolstering offensive operations in Donbas and Luhansk.

He also noted Zelenskyy has asked for “more sophisticated intelligence and surveillance drones as well as attack drones that can be reused multiple times instead of the Kamikaze drones we’ve given them.”

Ukraine also wants Harpoon anti-ship missiles, which Crow said would help keep the Russian Navy at bay and prevent them from attacking the shoreline.”

Barrasso said anti-ship missiles would allow the Ukrainians to remove the naval mines they’ve placed that are blocking off the key port of Odessa.

“Because it’s mined, you can’t get all the grain out,” Barrasso told Defense News. “Zelenskyy and others have pointed out that if they have the anti-ship weaponry they can take mines out of the harbor so the boats and the ships can get out.”

The package Congress passed includes $100 million in demining funds, which the Ukrainians can use in Odessa and elsewhere."

https://www.defensenews.com/congres...-hopes-the-new-ukraine-aid-bill-will-provide/
 
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